What Will Improve the Palestinian Economy?

[fanger]

There has never been a Native American state, as such, and therefore the territories never belonged to any Native American entity. There’s no international agreement, there’s no contract, there’s no treaty, and there’s no binding international resolution that determines that the territories belong to the Native American's

Amb. Alan Baker served as legal adviser and deputy director-general of Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs and as Israel’s ambassador to Canada.

No bias there then

 

[Phoenall]

The immigrants will be welcomed, if they integrate and swear
allegiance to their Palestinian hosts, a bit like immigrants to the US

That is the "Jewish National Home" planned by the Mandate.

Comments and questions:

1. If you two would like to "welcome" the immigrants, stop calling them colonists and their immigration the colonialist project. Stop disparaging them for being immigrants and start acknowledging their Jewish National Home.

2. What does it mean to "integrate" and to "swear allegiance" to their "Palestinian hosts"? Be specific. What would that actually look like? How would you know that has been accomplished?

3. So, we can have a Jewish National Home -- as long as its not "Jewish" nor a "Nation". As long as our rights (inalienable and inherent) to self-determination and self-government are denied. As long as we never actualize independence as the Jewish people. As long as we consider ourselves "Palestinian" and never Israel.

Don't blame me. That is what the Mandate said.

No it didnt, it said that the groups should learn to live in peace, and the arab muslims refused .

Of course that is not true, but keep spewing Israeli bullshit.

Problems understanding written English again as the mandate did say what I claimed and not what you claimed


The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate



ART. 2.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

ART. 6.

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ART. 11.


The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.

ART. 15.


The Mandatory shall see that complete freedom of conscience and the free exercise of all forms of worship, subject only to the maintenance of public order and morals, are ensured to all. No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants of Palestine on the ground of race, religion or language. No person shall be excluded from Palestine on the sole ground of his religious belief.

The right of each community to maintain its own schools for the education of its own members in its own language, while conforming to such educational requirements of a general nature as the Administration may impose, shall not be denied or impaired.

ART. 22.

English, Arabic and Hebrew shall be the official languages of Palestine. Any statement or inscription in Arabic on stamps or money in Palestine shall be repeated in Hebrew and any statement or inscription in Hebrew shall be repeated in Arabic.





See how I am right and you are wrong because I have learnt how to read treaties, while you go on what some islamonazi LIAR says is written

 

[Phoenall]

Israel’s Rights in the Territories under International Law
Reference to the “Palestinian territories” is a complete fallacy. - Israel’s Rights in the Territories under International Law - Amb. Alan Baker

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He should know better than you ever could what is legitimate and legal, after all he is a Director of the Institute for Contemporary Affairs at the Jerusalem Center and the head of the Global Law Forum. He participated in the negotiation and drafting of the Oslo Accords with the Palestinians, as well as agreements and peace treaties with Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon.



What is your background other than being a semi literate islamonazi propagandist and LIAR

 

[Phoenall]

There has never been a Native American state, as such, and therefore the territories never belonged to any Native American entity. There’s no international agreement, there’s no contract, there’s no treaty, and there’s no binding international resolution that determines that the territories belong to the Native American's

Amb. Alan Baker served as legal adviser and deputy director-general of Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs and as Israel’s ambassador to Canada.

No bias there then

There has never been an arab muslim palestinian state either. There is no international agreement, no contract and no treaty. Nor is there a legally binding international reso;ution that determines that the territories belong to the arab muslims. Surprisingly everything you claim about palestine is held by the Jews from the LoN mandate internationally agreed treaty and subsequent international laws granting the land to the Jews as their NATIONal home

 

[fanger]

Yet the Native American Are and have been since before paper titles existed

 

[Phoenall]

Yet the Native American Are and have been since before paper titles existed

Correct because they can trace their actual occupation back to before the invasion by Europeans. The arab muslims have no such evidence other than the LIES they have concocted.

As Winston Churchill stated on oath the arab muslims are flooding palestine with illegal immigrants more than all world Jewry could hope to match.

Now when did the arab muslims get granted the land in palestine after 1099 C.E.

 

[yiostheoy]

On another thread someone suggested that the Palestinian economy is suffering due to the "occupation". While this may be true, the article posted to support this idea is riddled with problems. Here is the article. Here is a summary of the report from which the article is drawn.

The main problems I have with the concepts portrayed in the article are:

1. It fails to recognize or acknowledge Palestinian responsibility for economic growth.
2. It falsifies Palestinian "rights"/ownership/areas of control.
3. It intentionally places blame on Israel for things outside Israeli control.
4. It muddies the water by introducing unrelated issues.


So, let's make a list of what Palestine and Gaza (and honestly, imo, we should look at them separately) should be doing to improve its economy.

And secondly, let's look at some of the falsehoods presented in this article.

The idiot fanatics in Palestine (what is left of it) need to quit violence and focus on national development.

Until that happens Palestine will remain a sh!t hole.

 

[RoccoR]

yiostheoy, Shusha, et al,

I tend to think that you are both correct.

On another thread someone suggested that the Palestinian economy is suffering due to the "occupation". While this may be true, the article posted to support this idea is riddled with problems. Here is the article. Here is a summary of the report from which the article is drawn.

The main problems I have with the concepts portrayed in the article are:

1. It fails to recognize or acknowledge Palestinian responsibility for economic growth.
2. It falsifies Palestinian "rights"/ownership/areas of control.
3. It intentionally places blame on Israel for things outside Israeli control.
4. It muddies the water by introducing unrelated issues.


So, let's make a list of what Palestine and Gaza (and honestly, imo, we should look at them separately) should be doing to improve its economy.

And secondly, let's look at some of the falsehoods presented in this article.

The idiot fanatics in Palestine (what is left of it) need to quit violence and focus on national development.

Until that happens Palestine will remain a sh!t hole.

(COMMENT)

The Arab-Palestinian must first, want to help themselves. They cannot possibly improve economically (the last 3 decades have demonstrated that). Most everything we do, individually and collectively, begins with a goal and the commitment to the takes that make it happen.

What we see is nothing but a commitment to conflict; not a national aspiration to improve any aspect of their nation. I've seen Girl Scout Troops that have more commitment to their goals and objective than the Arab Palestinians in total can muster. They have been surviving on the proceeds from Donor Nations contributions, they don't actually now how (or necessarily care to) build a nation.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[aris2chat]

help themselves.............
Hamas won't let fatah run in gaza
PA won't let hamas run in the WB
elections on hold
how can they help themselves if they can even agree to an election
Hamas uses cancer patients as mules for money and directives to prisoners
A man was caught in the WB with 200lbs if explosives intended for attacking Israel
Israel offers 2014 prisoners for the bodies of the IDF, Hamas refused
.............

where does one begin to untangle this mess?

Iran backs hamas, Iran orders Assad to attack IDF in the golan, Syria claims to have shot down two IDF jets...

How can Israel help palestinians while being attaked from outside?

Israel wants to commit $1.4 billion in arab housing while some want to trade arab towns jewish settlement in the WB.

Fatah want to pay 25 cents on the dollar in debt for power provided by Israel. Once they take control of the power lines who is going to service them? IDF provides clean water to palestinians while palestinians foul their own aquifers. PA does not want to pay.

Turkey ha offered to build an island of the coast of gaza which Israel has approved, but they can't begin as long as there is hostility either way between hamas or other groups against Israel.

A new "green" town was built in the WB but no one can move into it yet. Qatar builds housing in gaza and only a fraction has been occupied yet.

New hospital built in gaza but hamas wont allow it to be equipped or staffed. Supplies are sitting in the hamas control side of the crossing, meds expiring.

Palestinians need to help themselves but the so called political parties won't let them. With out elections the authority or gaza can't change either.

need a big boot to kick them in the rear to get them moving............no one country is able to get them to move

who, how and and when can make anything change?

It is really is tragic. Palestinians can't even freely speak out against their leader and instead blame Israel.

that does not even begin to touch on the subtleties of other issues

 

[Kondor3]

What will improve the Palestinian economy?

1. an economy
2. a state
3. friends
4. balls
5. brains

None of which are vouchsafed to those Neanderthals...

Besides... given the two postage-stamp -sized parcels of lands they still have... it's not like they're viable, anyway.

 

[flacaltenn]

As for the points in the article just to list them:

Palestine would be economically more sound if ...

• they had more actual, physical territory
• if they had access to more water resources
• if they could move freely within "their" territory
• if they had no restrictions of movement to a foreign nation
• if illegally built homes were not dismantled
• if there were no "settlements" within "their" territory (read: if no Jews lived there)
• if conflict did not destroy infrastructure

The corridors and travel are just the beginning of what "Palestine" could be.

I imagine there will never be a politically UNIFIED Palestine. Too many differences and it's not in the Arab culture to have democratically elected leadership. Future is probably in "city-states" that have a modicum of independence from one another.

So if you go with that higher probability --- Here's what's possible.

Those Pali areas lie smack in the middle of a viable and lucrative trade corridor. If you could connect Egypt/Libya with Jordan/Iraq and anything left of Syria. It's not impossible to build a Highway corridor thru the Sinai and across Southern Israel (perhaps elevated with limited on/off access) that turns up into the West Bank and goes on into Jordan. Access to the Highway from Gaza.

MOST of the major Pali "city-states" are DIRECTLY on that route. Would bring in investment and service dollars for building accommodations, way stations, warehouses, and industry.

Now I know --- y'all think I'm crazy. But it would be cheaper in the long run to dangle that concept as a "we will build it for you" proposition --- than trying to revive the PA or getting all the Palis on the same page.

I would THINK Israel would trade the "insurrection" problem for assuring the security of that route. It's an easier and less messy problem. At this point --- you need to get to brain-storming and creativity to break up this stand-off. It's going quickly into yet another wasted generation of Palis..

 

[fanger]

Do you think the Izzies would go along with that?

 

[flacaltenn]

Do you think the Izzies would go along with that?

I think they would.. You'd have viable Autonomous city-states embedded in the WB and Gaza. Tied loosely in some kind of federation. And the "izzies" would be foolish not to take advantage of the largest trade route innovation since the Silk Road.

Better than fighting over desolate land between the Pali population centers. The izzi downside would be their expansion would be capped. And the security risk of having a limited access highway running over certain points of their legit holdings.

The neighborhood would BOOM.. Economic impact for the 5 Arab neighbors would be immense. And the danger of pissing each other off and CUTTING that access would encourage the peace..

 

[fanger]

Stop being rational, we're dealing with izzies and palis here

 

[Phoenall]

Do you think the Izzies would go along with that?

Going on your racist terminology I very much doubt that anyone would go along with anything you islamonazi's put forward until you change your attitude and insulting manner

 

[Phoenall]

Stop being rational, we're dealing with izzies and palis here

Who or what are "izzies" is this some new name for arab muslims ?

 

[Kondor3]

Stop being rational, we're dealing with izzies and palis here

Who or what are "izzies" is this some new name for arab muslims ?

Tiny Brain appears to believe that copycatting the Muzzies moniker is actually going to work for him... maybe he sees himself as a trend setter... <snicker>

 

[Daniyel]

The problem always been the fact that dealing with the Palestinians is not just a one side, I'm excited to share this one thou;
Lieberman wants to bypass PA, talk directly with Palestinians - Israel News

 

[P F Tinmore]

The problem always been the fact that dealing with the Palestinians is not just a one side, I'm excited to share this one thou;
Lieberman wants to bypass PA, talk directly with Palestinians - Israel News

It would be interesting to find who he considers "the Palestinians" to be.

 

[Phoenall]

The problem always been the fact that dealing with the Palestinians is not just a one side, I'm excited to share this one thou;
Lieberman wants to bypass PA, talk directly with Palestinians - Israel News

It would be interesting to find who he considers "the Palestinians" to be.

Anyone not allied to hams, fatah or M.B. who has a traceable ancestry back before 1947