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A lot of State budgets are stressed due to Federal mandates and programs such as Medicade.
As for federal involvement in education. It's clear that it falls under the general welfare clause and I'm not going to get into a debate on the issue in this context.
A lot of State budgets are stressed due to Federal mandates and programs such as Medicade.
My defense of the Department of Education was based, in this argument, on college grant money. You refuted that argument with:I suppose the G.I. Bill really screwed us too. All those ex-service men and women had no business being in college. All those degrees were worthless and all those careers launched as a result were shams? Please.
We see the benefits of education every day and in every sector of the economy.
No, you're changing the subject because you don't like the facts I've presented. Foul. Post WW2 and the GI Bill are irrelevant to a discussion about the Dept of Education, which didnt exist back then.
We see the perils of poor education even more every day. There are hundreds of skilled jobs that go begging every day because people were tracked to college, where they wasted time and money, instead of being encouraged to develop employable skills.Meanwhile the number of people in college who really have no business being there increases.
So gov't intervention in the education market (like every other market) has overall been detrimental to education, not an aid to it
And now you state:No, you're changing the subject because you don't like the facts I've presented
Get it together, Rabbi! You can't move the goal posts, clear the field and declare victory.
I have two wars I'd like to cut from the budget
so with all these cuts right NOW, will that increase unemployment in the immediate, thus reducing our tax revenues, and increasing what the gvt spends on unemployment benefits and things like food stamps, resulting in more unemployed and larger deficits, in this already crappy economy?
do we wait to do these cuts just as we wait to let the tax cuts expire?
Stop with your winger links
And as asked of you NUMEROUS times before, asshole troll, explain thru known economic standards how raising taxes improves a private market economy.... you continually ignore the request to prove your point, and you continually ignore and go back to your common troll tactic of posting winger links and little Bush pictures
Raising taxes and demonstrating fiscal discipline led to a decline in interest rates on both public and private debt. Lower interest rates incented higher investment.
What to cut? I say we start with defense spending. Next?
That would be the only thing to be cut that would actually make a dent.... which is why the pretend rabbi troll and his ilk are so disingenuous....
it's the same old 'let's starve government til you can drown it in a bathtub' garbage that it's always been for the reactionary right.
I have two wars I'd like to cut from the budget
I'll see your two and raise you two.
What to cut? I say we start with defense spending. Next?
The department of Education. Next?
i know that's not something the rightwingnuts make much use of... but some of us think it's important.
what percentage of the federal budget is the department of education?
now what percentage of the federal budget are military expenditures?
So, Conservatives are talking about cutting the federal budget. Is this to reduce the deficit, or to eliminate federal programs designed to help American citizens?
Let's take a look.
One poster said eliminate the Department of Education. Fine. That will eliminate federal grants to college students. that means fewer people will have a shot at higher education. The Conservatives have already made it lucrative for corporations to outsource our manufacturing base by so called "free trade" agreements, granting Most Favored Nation status to Communist China and granting tax breaks to companies moving operations out of America. Now, they want to make damn sure the American worker is sub-par in education as well.
Some Conservatives advocate eliminating the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Fine. That means the poorest Americans will no longer have the programs that help them live in anything other than slum housing. No Section Eight rent subsidies (which are paid directly to the landlord helping them make mortgage and tax payments), no public housing units.
But, ask one Conservative what effects cutting taxes to the richest Americans is and all they'll tell you is that the rest of us don't pay taxes (in spite of what my accountant tells me) and that those few Americans enjoying great wealth actually stimulate the economy. Seems to me that if the majority of Americans had the tax breaks the richest have, that majority would flood the economy with the dollars they save in taxes, thus stimulating the economy to greater heights.
Cut the budget? Cut everyone's taxes, not just Thurston and Lovey Howell's.
You're changing the subject. What happened to the economy between 2001 and 2006?
As far as the federal budget was concerned, we went from surplus to deficit with dizzying speed due to cutting taxes on the richest and fighting two wars without budgeting for them.
And your thread is titled What to cut: the Federal Budget.
I suppose the G.I. Bill really screwed us too. All those ex-service men and women had no business being in college. All those degrees were worthless and all those careers launched as a result were shams? Please.So, Conservatives are talking about cutting the federal budget. Is this to reduce the deficit, or to eliminate federal programs designed to help American citizens?
Let's take a look.
One poster said eliminate the Department of Education. Fine. That will eliminate federal grants to college students. that means fewer people will have a shot at higher education. The Conservatives have already made it lucrative for corporations to outsource our manufacturing base by so called "free trade" agreements, granting Most Favored Nation status to Communist China and granting tax breaks to companies moving operations out of America. Now, they want to make damn sure the American worker is sub-par in education as well.
Oy,
Yeah, because without gov't handing out money no one would ever go to college, right?
College tuitions have risen faster than the inflation rate every year for probably the last 30. A very big factor in this is the wide availability of gov't grants and loans, which insulate families from price concerns for college.
Meanwhile the number of people in college who really have no business being there increases.
So gov't intervention in the education market (like every other market) has overall been detrimental to education, not an aid to it.
We see the benefits of education every day and in every sector of the economy.
As for federal involvement in education. It's clear that it falls under the general welfare clause and I'm not going to get into a debate on the issue in this context.
The genereal welfare clause essentially says government may collect taxes for the general welfare. Madison and Jefferson further stated that the clause referred specifically to the enumerated powers that follow it in which education is not found.
You're changing the subject. What happened to the economy between 2001 and 2006?
As far as the federal budget was concerned, we went from surplus to deficit with dizzying speed due to cutting taxes on the richest and fighting two wars without budgeting for them.
And your thread is titled What to cut: the Federal Budget.
We had no surplus.. and this has been shown time and time and time and time and time and time again.... You little wingers on the uber-left like to leave out a little something called intergovernmental spending
You're changing the subject. What happened to the economy between 2001 and 2006?
As far as the federal budget was concerned, we went from surplus to deficit with dizzying speed due to cutting taxes on the richest and fighting two wars without budgeting for them.
And your thread is titled What to cut: the Federal Budget.
We had no surplus.. and this has been shown time and time and time and time and time and time again.... You little wingers on the uber-left like to leave out a little something called intergovernmental spending