What This Election is Really About; Will Corporations Own America or Will Its Citizens?

[Thunderbird]

Glad to see you noticed that Trump represents a reforming element within the GOP that is less subservient to corrupt corporations.

Well, no, he isn't.

What Trump has done is just double down on the racism,

Here's actual racism:

The Clinton dynasty has killed tens of thousands of Africans.

More on Clinton's Sudan bombing.

Werner Daum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Moreover, Hillary supported rebel forces in Libya which engaged in lynching and ethnic cleansing of black people!

Libyan rebel ethnic cleansing and lynching of black people

Hillary's Huge Libya Disaster

Does any of this outrage you?

misogyny

Hillary persecutes women who have the courage to speak out against her sexual predator husband.

Former Clinton Aide: Hillary Clinton IS the War on Women

Hillary the misogynist: What About Hillary’s Decades of Humiliating Women?

Does any of this bother you? Maybe you only get upset when Republicans transgress?

that gets uneducated white males to vote against their own economic interests.

Losers like you blame working folk instead of the corrupt politicians and lobbyists. Did you ever think maybe many working people have left the Democratic Party because it is a hollow shell that only serves bankers and transgender activists and despises working people?

Goldman Sachs CEO: ‘Yes, So Flat Out, Yes, I Do’ Support Hillary Clinton - Breitbart

And let's not forget the lying media elite which tries so desperately to divide the American people: Nbc Issues Apology For Edited Zimmerman 911 Call

 

[dblack]

I've never heard you complain about government overreach. The question is, what things should be off-limits to the majority? I bet you're only down with a few cherry-picked Bill of Rights line items, and everything else is a go. Am I right?

reality- All "rights" are subject to the will of the majority.

Just ask the Japanese Americans of 1942.

Alright. That's what I figured.

We can do better.

 

[JoeB131]

Here's actual racism:

The Clinton dynasty has killed tens of thousands of Africans.

You mean the factory with ties to Al Qaeda, where they were making chemical weapons?

That Aspirin Factory?

 

[JoeB131]

Hillary persecutes women who have the courage to speak out against her sexual predator husband.

YOu mean lying gold-diggers who even Ken Starr didn't believe?

Yes how dare she?

Losers like you blame working folk instead of the corrupt politicians and lobbyists. Did you ever think maybe many working people have left the Democratic Party because it is a hollow shell that only serves bankers and transgender activists and despises working people?

No, I don't think that at all. I think the GOP has gotten very good at playing on your sexual fears to get you to vote against your own economic interests.

You get screwed when the government rolls back regulations.
You get screwed when the rich get tax cuts
You get screwed when unions are rolled back.

And this is what the GOP has stood for in the last 40 years. But they keep telling you that Hispanic Lesbian lady is really your problem, not the rich guy looking for new ways to screw you.

 

[Thunderbird]

Here's actual racism:

The Clinton dynasty has killed tens of thousands of Africans.

You mean the factory with ties to Al Qaeda, where they were making chemical weapons?

So now you are posting feeble justifications for the mass murder of impoverished Africans. Wow.

I posted facts about Clinton's crime. Here are some more: "The evidence was not conclusive and was not enough to justify an act of war," concedes Donald Petterson, former American ambassador to Sudan. With a £35m compensation claim working its way through the American courts, that is as much as any official will say on the record. The evidence was supposed to consist of incriminating soil samples; they have never been produced. Sudan's proposal that the UN should investigate was vetoed by America.

LInk: US's 1998 attack in Sudan

Funny you were so outraged at Trump's supposed racism and now you seem indifferent regarding Clinton atrocities against black people in Libya and Sudan.

 

[Thunderbird]

Hillary persecutes women who have the courage to speak out against her sexual predator husband.

YOu mean lying gold-diggers

So now you are attacking the victims without evidence? Why do you believe the lying politician and not the women? How did you become such a disgusting human being?

You get screwed when the government rolls back regulations.

Like when Bill Clinton helped repeal Glass-Steagall?

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...of-glass-steagall-caused-the-financial-crisis

You get screwed when the rich get tax cuts

Hillary is wholly owned by corrupt corporations.

Inside Hillary’s $675K worth of Goldman speaking fees | New York Post

The Ex-Im Bank: Corporate Welfare Only Hillary Clinton Could Love

Hillary stands firm in support of bank bailouts and subsidies

Hedge Fund Money Has Vastly Favored Clinton Over Trump

not the rich guy looking for new ways to screw you.

That rich guy often controls Democrat politicians.

Where have you been?

 

[JoeB131]

So now you are posting feeble justifications for the mass murder of impoverished Africans. Wow.

I posted facts about Clinton's crime. Here are some more: "The evidence was not conclusive and was not enough to justify an act of war," concedes Donald Petterson, former American ambassador to Sudan. With a £35m compensation claim working its way through the American courts, that is as much as any official will say on the record. The evidence was supposed to consist of incriminating soil samples; they have never been produced. Sudan's proposal that the UN should investigate was vetoed by America.

We invaded a whole fucking country on less evidence than we had on that Aspirin factory.

Oh, yeah, and not having a rickety aspirin factory was the least of the Sudan's problem.

 

[JoeB131]

So now you are attacking the victims without evidence? Why do you believe the lying politician and not the women? How did you become such a disgusting human being?

No, guy, we have evidence.

Ken Starr Spent 70 million dollars trying to verify their claims, and what he came up with indicates the exact opposite of what they were saying.

For instance, Juanita Brodderick, who you all like to trot out

1) COuldn't remember the date or even the month Clinton attacked her.
2) Continued to attend Clinton events
3) Accepted an appointment from Governor Clinton
4) Didn't tell her husband what happened.
5) Left no record of ever being at that hotel
6) Swore out two affadavits saying Clinton never touched her.

This is what Ken Starr determined when he investigated.

There was more evidence against the Duke Lacrosse Team than there was that Clinton had sex with Juanita Brodderick.

 

[Care4all]

So, what does Soros want ? What has Soros gotten for his money? Does he want something the Democratic party already believes in?

 

[Mac1958]

This massive, overnight GOP switch from conservatism to nationalist populism really has given me whiplash.

 

[JoeB131]

This massive, overnight GOP switch from conservatism to nationalist populism really has given me whiplash.

Why should it? It was kind of inevitable.

Here's the thing... if you take economic conservatism on its own, you get Barry Goldwater. You lose every state in the union except the handful that are throwing a hissy because LBJ let the coloreds vote.

Most Americans WANT social security, medicare, unemployment insurance and other liberal entitlement programs.

What the GOP did was convince a lot of white working class people that their woes were due to those colored people getting entitlements. "Well, of course, YOU deserve Social Security, but they don't deserve food stamps." Forget Food Stamps were started to increase demand for agricultural products to make farming a viable industry.

So it was only a m atter of time before some huckster came along and stripped the GOP message of the plutocratic bitter pill and just offered the sweet savory bacon of racism, xenophobia, sexism and homophobia.

And somewhere in there, Trump even has a few valid points. Free Trade has been a shit sandwich for working people.

Again, thankfully, Trump will lose, but he will do well enough that the next guy, a guy who is a little more disciplined and a little more slick, might still think this is a good idea.

 

[Thunderbird]

We invaded a whole fucking country on less evidence than we had on that Aspirin factory.

You mean the war Hillary voted for? The one Trump has strongly criticized?

Oh, yeah, and not having a rickety aspirin factory was the least of the Sudan's problem.

So you think the death of tens of thousands of Africans is no big deal?

 

[PredFan]

Rain that falls along the Continental Divide can fall a few feet apart and yet gradually trickle their way into completely different locations in the Atlantic, Hudson Bay, the Gulf of Mexico or the Pacific Ocean. This is what is known as a "watershed" that break the drainage table into different river basin systems that empty into different major bodies of water.

In 200 years from now no one will recall whether Trump said the word pussy 12 years ago in 2004. No one will recall if he had insulted POWS or made fun of a reporter.

But they will be able to say "This is when the multinational corporations cemented their control of the American political system." And this is what this election is about.

The Wall Street banks and the huge multinational corporations that have made windfall profits from exporting American jobs and importing millions of cheap foreign indentured servants (aka H1-B visa holders) these Masters of the Universe will either see their dominance of US politics cemented into permanent control for generations or they will see that grip slowly slip and Americans regain control of their own political destiny.

They have picked their candidate in Hillary Rhodham Clinton who has accepted hundreds of millions of dollars from them. And she has used the corporate crony networks to protect her from being indicted in relation to obvious set of some 20+ counts of exposing Top Secret information and other classified material to being scanned by any foreign intell operatives in the world by using her own private unsecured email server while Secretary of State.

She has take massive bribes from foreign governments while serving as our SECRETARY OF STATE, which is a huhge conflict of interest if not obvious bribery against he interests of the USA the selling of 20% of our national reserves of Uranium for $145 million to Russia being just one example. Yes, the money went into her left pocket (known as the Clinton Foundation) instead of her right pocket (her personal bank account), but it effectively amounts to the same thing as she directs how that money is spent, either given to friends in donations or spent on her pleasure jaunts around the globe and giving her daughter a $900k annual salary job.

Another example of this is her friends donation to the FBI agent that eventually headed up the investigation of her email scandal, that donation being a $500k donation to that FBI wife's campaign for office.

I could go on for ever about how this corrupt system works and how it is coming to control 100% of our media, 100% of our politicians and 100% of the government that is supposed to serve the Will of the People and not the whims of a corporate elite.

And in our moment of need comes a man who has never run for office once in his life. As a complete novice to political campaigning, he has defied the odds makers and the experts at every turn and is now within a few percentage points of defeating the Corporate Cronies in Washington DC and then going into Washington to drain that swamp of its corruption and lobbying armies of Corporate occupation. No one really thought he had a chance, but here he is and we can put him in office and break the corporate hold on our national politics for the first time that I can remember.

This election is perhaps the very last opportunity to stop the consolidation of power by this corporate elite that extends all the way in to BOTH political parties, in fact the political parties are effectively merely the two flip sides of a shadow party that that controls both parties, our media and our government.

Vote to break this Corporate Control that now threatens to choke the Will of the People out forever.

Vote for Donald J Trump for President.

I assume that you don't concider corporations to include citizens. In that case I would MUCH rather corporations run the country. Citizens are idiots.

 

[Thunderbird]

This massive, overnight GOP switch from conservatism to nationalist populism really has given me whiplash.

I think you are exaggerating.

Trump opposes corrupt corporations, but he also wants to reduce the size of government: Donald Trump’s “Contract with the American Voter” Gettysburg Address | National Review

And Republicans have a long history of opposition to trade deals that don't serve American interests.

Free Trade vs. the Republican Party

 

[JimBowie1958]

I assume that you don't concider corporations to include citizens. In that case I would MUCH rather corporations run the country. Citizens are idiots.

While corporations on average are smarter than the citizenry, corporations have a heart filled with nothing but greed, a greed that can lead them to be functionally stupid at times and drag the whole country down with them. Look at the CDS/real estate fiasco of 2008 for a classic example of that example. If you are unfamiliar with it, start off with watching the movie "The Big Short".

Citizens are not always the brightest bulbs on the Xmas tree, but they do have a much better heart and I'll take that over corporate greediness any day of the week.

 

[JimBowie1958]

This massive, overnight GOP switch from conservatism to nationalist populism really has given me whiplash.

Over night?

You call a long torturous campaign that ran from Jun 2015 to the present "over night?"

Damn, what is your job; watching paint dry? Painting the Statue of Liberty? Emptying the Pacific with a bucket?

Your concept of what is "over night" is truly dilated.

 

[Thunderbird]

For instance, Juanita Brodderick, who you all like to trot out

Look at the facts: Is Juanita Broaddrick Telling the Truth?

And consider, Slate is a very liberal source.

 

[theHawk]

If HRC is for corporations, then she is not a commie or a socialist.

The Far Right and Alt Right support Putin and Russia over America.

Hillary is for taking money from corporations, and letting them make a buck by selling out the American worker by moving operations overseas.

We don't support Putin or Russia. Pointing out that Obama and Hillary are out of their league isn't being pro-Russia.

 

[PredFan]

I assume that you don't concider corporations to include citizens. In that case I would MUCH rather corporations run the country. Citizens are idiots.

While corporations on average are smarter than the citizenry, corporations have a heart filled with nothing but greed, a greed that can lead them to be functionally stupid at times and drag the whole country down with them. Look at the CDS/real estate fiasco of 2008 for a classic example of that example. If you are unfamiliar with it, start off with watching the movie "The Big Short".

Citizens are not always the brightest bulbs on the Xmas tree, but they do have a much better heart and I'll take that over corporate greediness any day of the week.

I don't get my knowledge of history and politics from Hollywood.

The citizens had a LOT to do with that fiasco. Many perpetuated and took advantage of that scam with unbridled greed in mind. There were many to blame in that.

I'll take intelligence and yes greed, over heart any day of the week. Heart leads to irrational decisions and self destructive policies.

 

[JoeB131]

So you think the death of tens of thousands of Africans is no big deal?

Not to me. They've chosen to engage in a 20 year civil war... I didn't make them do it, and blowing up a rickety aspirin factory didn't cause it, either.