What the GOP is NOT offering the Middle class!!!!

[OnePercenter]

I've pointed out that the GOP and any other experienced person would NEVER NEVER do and say the following:
Why would ANY President WANT rates to skyrocket? Why would any President want to Bankrupt companies??

A prior thread title: "Put Up, or Shut Up; What are Republicans offering the Middle class? Be Specific" asked and I'm telling you what the GOP WON"T be offering!!!

Destroying industries...
A) Destroying an entire industry that pays $100 billion a year in Federal/State/Local taxes.
B) The GOP will NOT put another 400,000 people (most of these are "middle class") out of work by destroying that industry.
Obama told us that he prefers that industry be destroyed!

Obama promised us that he would bankrupt companies.

I've yet to hear ANY conservative ever wish that any company go bankrupt!
OhioAmerican Energy, Inc. (“OhioAmerican”), a Subsidiary of Murray Energy Corporation (“Murray Energy”), today announced the closure of its coal mining operations near Brilliant, Jefferson County, Ohio.

Regulatory actions by President Barack Obama and his appointees and followers were cited as the entire reason. “Mr. Obama has already destroyed 83,000 megawatts of coal-fired electricity generation in America,” said Mr. Michael T. W. Carey, Vice President of Government Affairs for Murray Energy. “Electric prices in the recent PJM Interconnection monthly auction were bid up 800 percent (8 times) for 2015-2016 because of this,” he added.

“At its peak, OhioAmerican employed 239 local people in high-paying, well-benefited jobs,” said Mr. Stanley T. Piasecki, General Manager and Superintendent. “University studies show that our Mines can create up to eleven (11) secondary jobs in our communities, for store clerks, teachers, etc., to serve our direct employees.
Thus, if one uses the eleven (11) to one (1) multiplier, the Obama Administration has destroyed 2,868 jobs in eastern Ohio with this forced Mine closure,” stated Mr. Piasecki.
Obama regulations kill Ohio coal mine, hundreds of jobs wiped out - Conservative News


Obama said he'd like to see higher gas prices! YUP! Well he should be happy because he is doing everything he can to increase the cost of oil which makes up 67% of the cost of a gallon of gas. With Iraq oil (4th largest producer) not going to the West that will put pressure on European oil prices
and on US domestic oil prices...Today oil prices closed $113 a barrel.. a month ago it was $105.00 at that rate by this time next year oil will be $235.

And all the while Federal land leases signed by Obama admin. leases the lowest amount of federal land in 25 years
“The slow walking of permits and leases for natural gas and oil production has been a part of this president’s energy policy from the get go,” Chris Warren, spokesman for the free-market Institute for Energy Research told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “Under this administration’s watch we have seen production on federal lands and waters plummet due to these policies.”

In 2013, it took 194 days on average for the BLM to approve oil and gas drilling permits — 99 days on average for companies to fix any problems with their application and 95 days for the BLM to approve the permits after problems have been fixed.

“Compare this to five days in Texas and 25 in North Dakota and it’s no wonder why production on federal lands has gone down,” Warren added.
Obama. leases the lowest amount of federal land in 25 years | The Daily Caller

What happened to the coal industry? Ask wall street.

Natural Gas Price: Latest Price & Chart for Natural Gas - NASDAQ.com

Your link was not helpful. What happened?

WOW! REALLY? Their competitors price dropped. Coals buyers flipped the switch and started using natural gas. The coal industries problem isn't Obama, it's wall street.

 

[healthmyths]

What happened to the coal industry? Ask wall street.

Natural Gas Price: Latest Price & Chart for Natural Gas - NASDAQ.com

Your link was not helpful. What happened?

WOW! REALLY? Their competitors price dropped. Coals buyers flipped the switch and started using natural gas. The coal industries problem isn't Obama, it's wall street.

Gas wasn't cheaper idiot!
The cost of using coal increased BECAUSE of Obama's EPA ruling!
Dummy!
The overall costs of the plan remain hotly debated. The administration estimates that utilities would spend as much as $8.8 billion a year to comply with the rule, based on complex assumptions including using more natural gas as a baseload fuel.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce says the rule would cost the economy $50 billion a year.

The utility industry accounts for about one-third of total U.S. carbon emissions, according to the EPA, with coal making up most of that share.
Coal use has declined from a decade ago, but the fuel still produced 39% of the nation's electricity last year, according to federal tallies.
Plants fired by natural gas produced about 27%, nuclear plants generated 19%, and renewables including hydro, wind and solar produced 13%.
Utilities Size Up Emission Cap for Power Plants - WSJ

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

The GOP should be offering Equal protections under the law.

No special treatment based upon race, gender, or sexual preference.

Everyone is treated the same.

Quite the opposite of what the Democrats offer.

Equal treatment based on race, gender, or sexual preference. If it were up to conservatives, women and blacks wouldn't vote.

Another pathological lair, another mindless, slogan-spouting, pc space cadet joins the board.

Leftists: a chorus of whores and race-baiting pimps.

 

[OnePercenter]

Your link was not helpful. What happened?

WOW! REALLY? Their competitors price dropped. Coals buyers flipped the switch and started using natural gas. The coal industries problem isn't Obama, it's wall street.

Gas wasn't cheaper idiot!
The cost of using coal increased BECAUSE of Obama's EPA ruling!
Dummy!
The overall costs of the plan remain hotly debated. The administration estimates that utilities would spend as much as $8.8 billion a year to comply with the rule, based on complex assumptions including using more natural gas as a baseload fuel.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce says the rule would cost the economy $50 billion a year.

The utility industry accounts for about one-third of total U.S. carbon emissions, according to the EPA, with coal making up most of that share.
Coal use has declined from a decade ago, but the fuel still produced 39% of the nation's electricity last year, according to federal tallies.
Plants fired by natural gas produced about 27%, nuclear plants generated 19%, and renewables including hydro, wind and solar produced 13%.
Utilities Size Up Emission Cap for Power Plants - WSJ

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sEHm5s_vH...c/CY2h1KMhHkI/s1600/Coal+vs+Nat+Gas+Price.jpg

 

[healthmyths]

I've pointed out that the GOP and any other experienced person would NEVER NEVER do and say the following:
Why would ANY President WANT rates to skyrocket? Why would any President want to Bankrupt companies??

A prior thread title: "Put Up, or Shut Up; What are Republicans offering the Middle class? Be Specific" asked and I'm telling you what the GOP WON"T be offering!!!

Destroying industries...
A) Destroying an entire industry that pays $100 billion a year in Federal/State/Local taxes.
B) The GOP will NOT put another 400,000 people (most of these are "middle class") out of work by destroying that industry.
Obama told us that he prefers that industry be destroyed!

Obama promised us that he would bankrupt companies.

I've yet to hear ANY conservative ever wish that any company go bankrupt!
OhioAmerican Energy, Inc. (“OhioAmerican”), a Subsidiary of Murray Energy Corporation (“Murray Energy”), today announced the closure of its coal mining operations near Brilliant, Jefferson County, Ohio.

Regulatory actions by President Barack Obama and his appointees and followers were cited as the entire reason. “Mr. Obama has already destroyed 83,000 megawatts of coal-fired electricity generation in America,” said Mr. Michael T. W. Carey, Vice President of Government Affairs for Murray Energy. “Electric prices in the recent PJM Interconnection monthly auction were bid up 800 percent (8 times) for 2015-2016 because of this,” he added.

“At its peak, OhioAmerican employed 239 local people in high-paying, well-benefited jobs,” said Mr. Stanley T. Piasecki, General Manager and Superintendent. “University studies show that our Mines can create up to eleven (11) secondary jobs in our communities, for store clerks, teachers, etc., to serve our direct employees.
Thus, if one uses the eleven (11) to one (1) multiplier, the Obama Administration has destroyed 2,868 jobs in eastern Ohio with this forced Mine closure,” stated Mr. Piasecki.
Obama regulations kill Ohio coal mine, hundreds of jobs wiped out - Conservative News


Obama said he'd like to see higher gas prices! YUP! Well he should be happy because he is doing everything he can to increase the cost of oil which makes up 67% of the cost of a gallon of gas. With Iraq oil (4th largest producer) not going to the West that will put pressure on European oil prices
and on US domestic oil prices...Today oil prices closed $113 a barrel.. a month ago it was $105.00 at that rate by this time next year oil will be $235.

And all the while Federal land leases signed by Obama admin. leases the lowest amount of federal land in 25 years
“The slow walking of permits and leases for natural gas and oil production has been a part of this president’s energy policy from the get go,” Chris Warren, spokesman for the free-market Institute for Energy Research told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “Under this administration’s watch we have seen production on federal lands and waters plummet due to these policies.”

In 2013, it took 194 days on average for the BLM to approve oil and gas drilling permits — 99 days on average for companies to fix any problems with their application and 95 days for the BLM to approve the permits after problems have been fixed.

“Compare this to five days in Texas and 25 in North Dakota and it’s no wonder why production on federal lands has gone down,” Warren added.
Obama. leases the lowest amount of federal land in 25 years | The Daily Caller

What happened to the coal industry? Ask wall street.

Natural Gas Price: Latest Price & Chart for Natural Gas - NASDAQ.com

So we proved the coal industry is losing business to gas because EPA is making burning coal MORE EXPENSIVE!
Isn't that something NO rational President would want to see happening where the market place is being helped by the government to put coal miners
out of work! How f...king stupid!

But you haven't answered another point that NO President would ever contemplate: putting 1,300 companies out of business, costing $100 billion a year in tax revenue for Federal/states and local governments! And at the same time putting 400,000 people out of work!
But Obama has told us his preference is just that!

Tell me what kind of idiot wants to cause $100 billion in lost tax revenue per year and put 400,000 people out of work?
More importantly though what kind of idiots VOTED for him? Did they not think this through because Obviously Obama didn't!

$100 billion a year in lost tax revenue and 400,000 more jobs because Obama want's to eliminate 1,300 companies!

 

[OnePercenter]

I've pointed out that the GOP and any other experienced person would NEVER NEVER do and say the following:
Why would ANY President WANT rates to skyrocket? Why would any President want to Bankrupt companies??

A prior thread title: "Put Up, or Shut Up; What are Republicans offering the Middle class? Be Specific" asked and I'm telling you what the GOP WON"T be offering!!!

Destroying industries...
A) Destroying an entire industry that pays $100 billion a year in Federal/State/Local taxes.
B) The GOP will NOT put another 400,000 people (most of these are "middle class") out of work by destroying that industry.
Obama told us that he prefers that industry be destroyed!

Obama promised us that he would bankrupt companies.

I've yet to hear ANY conservative ever wish that any company go bankrupt!
OhioAmerican Energy, Inc. (“OhioAmerican”), a Subsidiary of Murray Energy Corporation (“Murray Energy”), today announced the closure of its coal mining operations near Brilliant, Jefferson County, Ohio.

Regulatory actions by President Barack Obama and his appointees and followers were cited as the entire reason. “Mr. Obama has already destroyed 83,000 megawatts of coal-fired electricity generation in America,” said Mr. Michael T. W. Carey, Vice President of Government Affairs for Murray Energy. “Electric prices in the recent PJM Interconnection monthly auction were bid up 800 percent (8 times) for 2015-2016 because of this,” he added.

“At its peak, OhioAmerican employed 239 local people in high-paying, well-benefited jobs,” said Mr. Stanley T. Piasecki, General Manager and Superintendent. “University studies show that our Mines can create up to eleven (11) secondary jobs in our communities, for store clerks, teachers, etc., to serve our direct employees.
Thus, if one uses the eleven (11) to one (1) multiplier, the Obama Administration has destroyed 2,868 jobs in eastern Ohio with this forced Mine closure,” stated Mr. Piasecki.
Obama regulations kill Ohio coal mine, hundreds of jobs wiped out - Conservative News


Obama said he'd like to see higher gas prices! YUP! Well he should be happy because he is doing everything he can to increase the cost of oil which makes up 67% of the cost of a gallon of gas. With Iraq oil (4th largest producer) not going to the West that will put pressure on European oil prices
and on US domestic oil prices...Today oil prices closed $113 a barrel.. a month ago it was $105.00 at that rate by this time next year oil will be $235.

And all the while Federal land leases signed by Obama admin. leases the lowest amount of federal land in 25 years
“The slow walking of permits and leases for natural gas and oil production has been a part of this president’s energy policy from the get go,” Chris Warren, spokesman for the free-market Institute for Energy Research told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “Under this administration’s watch we have seen production on federal lands and waters plummet due to these policies.”

In 2013, it took 194 days on average for the BLM to approve oil and gas drilling permits — 99 days on average for companies to fix any problems with their application and 95 days for the BLM to approve the permits after problems have been fixed.

“Compare this to five days in Texas and 25 in North Dakota and it’s no wonder why production on federal lands has gone down,” Warren added.
Obama. leases the lowest amount of federal land in 25 years | The Daily Caller

What happened to the coal industry? Ask wall street.

Natural Gas Price: Latest Price & Chart for Natural Gas - NASDAQ.com

So we proved the coal industry is losing business to gas because EPA is making burning coal MORE EXPENSIVE!
Isn't that something NO rational President would want to see happening where the market place is being helped by the government to put coal miners
out of work! How f...king stupid!

But you haven't answered another point that NO President would ever contemplate: putting 1,300 companies out of business, costing $100 billion a year in tax revenue for Federal/states and local governments! And at the same time putting 400,000 people out of work!
But Obama has told us his preference is just that!

Tell me what kind of idiot wants to cause $100 billion in lost tax revenue per year and put 400,000 people out of work?
More importantly though what kind of idiots VOTED for him? Did they not think this through because Obviously Obama didn't!

$100 billion a year in lost tax revenue and 400,000 more jobs because Obama want's to eliminate 1,300 companies!

No. The coal industry is losing business because of the commodities markets.

 

[Kosh]

To the far left: middle class = union jobs..

 

[OnePercenter]

To the far left: middle class = union jobs..

The middle class are the people that actually do the work.

 

[OnePercenter]

Methinks you are a lost cause.

We have a glut and the prices don't adjust? What would you call it?

It doesn't matter what I would call it, or how I would explain it. You and I will never be on the same page. But I will say that you are quite uneducable on matters related to hydrocarbons.

Nothing to do with hydrocarbons. What drives commodity prices is GREED!!!!

 

[Bush92]

The GOP is not offering a bend toward socialism.

 

[Mr. H.]

We have a glut and the prices don't adjust? What would you call it?

It doesn't matter what I would call it, or how I would explain it. You and I will never be on the same page. But I will say that you are quite uneducable on matters related to hydrocarbons.

Nothing to do with hydrocarbons. What drives commodity prices is GREED!!!!

Divest your portfolio and sell your Teslas - donate the lot to charity or...

STFU.

 

[healthmyths]

What happened to the coal industry? Ask wall street.

Natural Gas Price: Latest Price & Chart for Natural Gas - NASDAQ.com

Your link was not helpful. What happened?

WOW! REALLY? Their competitors price dropped. Coals buyers flipped the switch and started using natural gas. The coal industries problem isn't Obama, it's wall street.

Obviously you are very naive when it comes to EPA rules and regulations and long term contracts!
Not going to try to educate you because it goes over your point head ... but the other readers/thinkers can comprehend that utilities look at the costs of installing
EPA mandated equipment.
Look at this report http://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/Is_converting_coal_to_gas_the_right_move/$FILE/5_PU_coal%20to%20gas%20conversion.pdf

The cost of operating a coal-fired plant is rising. A multitude of EPA regulations requiring utilities to meet new emission standards under the Clean Air Act is a contributing cost factor, but it is not the sole source of rising costs. thereby increasing the domestic supply of natural gas and making the fuel economics of running a gas plant highly attractive versus running a coal plan.


The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has proposed a rule for new power plants to limit greenhouse gases. If approved, the new regulation would effectively ban the construction of new coal-fired power plants, marking a pivotal turning point in President Obama’s war on coal and the culmination of a lie arguably bigger than “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
RealClearEnergy - EPA's New Power Plant Rule Will Doom King Coal

 

[OnePercenter]

The GOP is not offering a bend toward socialism.

So the GOP is offering increased capitalism?

 

[healthmyths]

The GOP is not offering a bend toward socialism.

So the GOP is offering increased capitalism?

Any political group looking at the economies of the world that are capitalism based have the most people with the most personal security that capitalism brings.
Name another country in the world where including human capital such as skills, the United Nations estimated the total wealth of the United States
in 2008 to be $118 trillion.
Wealth in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The next largest GDP to the USA which was in 2012 $16 trillion was China which was 1/2 the size of the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
And the ONLY reason that China is at that GDP is capitalism!

So based on track records... sure GOP offers increased capitalism because based on the past, that seems to be the better economic method!

 

[dblack]

Well... I can only say what I said in the other thread. Neither party should be 'offering' any special interest anything that it isn't offering the rest of us. That's what 'general' welfare actually meant - the opposite of special privilege.

 

[OnePercenter]

It doesn't matter what I would call it, or how I would explain it. You and I will never be on the same page. But I will say that you are quite uneducable on matters related to hydrocarbons.

Nothing to do with hydrocarbons. What drives commodity prices is GREED!!!!

Divest your portfolio and sell your Teslas - donate the lot to charity or...

STFU.

I'm an Angel Investor, I invest and have direct control of the operation of my investment.

I do donate 'lots' to charity. In 2013 I donated $2M.

 

[OnePercenter]

The GOP is not offering a bend toward socialism.

So the GOP is offering increased capitalism?

Any political group looking at the economies of the world that are capitalism based have the most people with the most personal security that capitalism brings.
Name another country in the world where including human capital such as skills, the United Nations estimated the total wealth of the United States
in 2008 to be $118 trillion.
Wealth in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The next largest GDP to the USA which was in 2012 $16 trillion was China which was 1/2 the size of the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
And the ONLY reason that China is at that GDP is capitalism!

So based on track records... sure GOP offers increased capitalism because based on the past, that seems to be the better economic method!

The GOP offers uncontrolled capitalism which is GREAT for the RICH, but not so good for the 'regular people.' Look hard at 2001 - 2008.

 

[OnePercenter]

Your link was not helpful. What happened?

WOW! REALLY? Their competitors price dropped. Coals buyers flipped the switch and started using natural gas. The coal industries problem isn't Obama, it's wall street.

Obviously you are very naive when it comes to EPA rules and regulations and long term contracts!
Not going to try to educate you because it goes over your point head ... but the other readers/thinkers can comprehend that utilities look at the costs of installing
EPA mandated equipment.
Look at this report http://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/Is_converting_coal_to_gas_the_right_move/$FILE/5_PU_coal%20to%20gas%20conversion.pdf

The cost of operating a coal-fired plant is rising. A multitude of EPA regulations requiring utilities to meet new emission standards under the Clean Air Act is a contributing cost factor, but it is not the sole source of rising costs. thereby increasing the domestic supply of natural gas and making the fuel economics of running a gas plant highly attractive versus running a coal plan.


The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has proposed a rule for new power plants to limit greenhouse gases. If approved, the new regulation would effectively ban the construction of new coal-fired power plants, marking a pivotal turning point in President Obama’s war on coal and the culmination of a lie arguably bigger than “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
RealClearEnergy - EPA's New Power Plant Rule Will Doom King Coal

Nothing to do with prices. Commodities prices are to make fast cash at the expense of the the middle class and poor. Anything that is price set in commodities screws the middle class because there isn't a supply and demand quotient.

 

[BobPlumb]

Nothing to do with hydrocarbons. What drives commodity prices is GREED!!!!

Divest your portfolio and sell your Teslas - donate the lot to charity or...

STFU.

I'm an Angel Investor, I invest and have direct control of the operation of my investment.

I do donate 'lots' to charity. In 2013 I donated $2M.

I Am amazed by the number of multi-millionaires or perhaps even billionaires that post on USMB!

 

[healthmyths]

WOW! REALLY? Their competitors price dropped. Coals buyers flipped the switch and started using natural gas. The coal industries problem isn't Obama, it's wall street.

Obviously you are very naive when it comes to EPA rules and regulations and long term contracts!
Not going to try to educate you because it goes over your point head ... but the other readers/thinkers can comprehend that utilities look at the costs of installing
EPA mandated equipment.
Look at this report http://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/Is_converting_coal_to_gas_the_right_move/$FILE/5_PU_coal%20to%20gas%20conversion.pdf

The cost of operating a coal-fired plant is rising. A multitude of EPA regulations requiring utilities to meet new emission standards under the Clean Air Act is a contributing cost factor, but it is not the sole source of rising costs. thereby increasing the domestic supply of natural gas and making the fuel economics of running a gas plant highly attractive versus running a coal plan.


The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has proposed a rule for new power plants to limit greenhouse gases. If approved, the new regulation would effectively ban the construction of new coal-fired power plants, marking a pivotal turning point in President Obama’s war on coal and the culmination of a lie arguably bigger than “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
RealClearEnergy - EPA's New Power Plant Rule Will Doom King Coal

Nothing to do with prices. Commodities prices are to make fast cash at the expense of the the middle class and poor. Anything that is price set in commodities screws the middle class because there isn't a supply and demand quotient.

YOU know that's bull crap!
Reason why? YOU telling me that when the Middle East heats up the price of OIL doesn't go up? Idiot why does it go up?
BECAUSE the supply gets threatened!
OK... dummy!!!! Utilities see their supplies "coal"... getting threatened by the EPA! Same thing!
So they turn to natural gas as an alternative and thus the cost of following EPA means LESS coal being mined, less people working and that certainly is not good for anyone!
All because some idiots in the EPA THINK the cost is worth it! YUP they do cost analysis "supposedly" and they recognize people will be put out of work but so what?
Cost of reducing by 30% CO2 because of what? Global warming?
All the while these idiots at EPA totally ignoring the simple fact that the US landscape absorbs all the CO2 admitted by coal plants TODAY!
And this landscape sequestration is increasing because idiots like you forget something!!!
Timber companies are like farmers. The farmer doesn't harvest one crop and that's it. The farmer/timber owner replant!
THINK for once you idiots!!!

The Forest Resource

Why do logging companies sometimes take all of the trees out of an area?
A. That logging technique is called even-age management - removing all of the trees from a stand rather than picking and choosing. Some seedlings won't grow in the shade of mature trees, so removing all of the trees in the stand allows the light to reach the forest floor. And sometimes something calamitous, like a fire or windstorm, a tree disease, or an insect epidemic, requires that the damaged trees be removed so that new trees can get a start. In each case, the type of harvest method (eg. selective thinning and even-age management) used is dictated by the type of tree being harvested, the terrain, and what conditions are needed to start the next forest there.

Q. How long does it take for a logged area to look good again?
A. You can see new life begin to flourish almost immediately. Within one to two years, the area will be abundantly covered with grasses, bushes and seedlings, and there will be a noticeable increase in wildlife. Within five years, the meadowlands will begin to fill in as those seedlings become young trees. Depending upon the soil and climatic conditions of the region, you will see the first signs of the forest within 10 to 15 years.
When a select harvest is completed, the smaller trees left in the area will increase in size rapidly with the new infusion of light and moisture.

Q. Do timber companies replant when they cut?
A. Yes. Forest products companies are in the business of growing and harvesting trees, so reforestation is important to them.
In fact, three quarters of all the trees planted in America last year were planted by forest products companies and private timberland owners.
And logging companies pay a special fee to fund for replanting and reforestation when they buy the right to harvest a section of timber on state or national forests.
In the Appalachian hardwood forest, nature replants on its own using seeds and stump sprout to grow trees for the future.
Foresters often leave areas to reforest naturally from cones and seeds.

Q. How many trees are planted each year?
A. Last year, more than 2.3 billion seedlings were planted in the United States by the forestry community.
That's more than nine new trees for every man, woman and child in America.

So here we have the EPA destroying the coal industry because of CO2 and the lumber industry replanting trees equal 2.3 billion future trees EACH YEAR!!!
Of course the IDIOTS at the EPA didn't take that in consideration!!!