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José said:Marbles,
I'm gonna use your own words to reiterate my main point, hoping that this time you'll get it:
CAUSE:
"A state born out of terrorism stamping on the rights of Arabs."
EFFECT:
"A people using an outlawed form of warfare to secure their own country."
Eliminate the cause (Israel) and you'll get rid of the effect (palestinian terrorism).
deaddude said:If you are saying that Jihad is a very Muslim practice based on the Quaran then I can say that slavery is very Christian practice based on the Bible.
deaddude said:How? Refute whichever one you think is a lie; dont just say that it is untrue.
rtwngAvngr said:Jihad is in their holy writings. Slavery is not endorsed by the bible. Christians were the first abolitionists you know.
Slavery is not endorsed by the bible.
Christians were the first abolitionists you know.
Toussaint
L'Ouverture
*On this date in 1790, the first slave revolt in Haiti took place. France named its newly colonized island Saint Domingue in the early 1700.
French colonists brought in African slaves and developed big coffee and spice plantations. By 1788, there were eight times as many slaves (almost 500,000) as colonists. During the French Revolution, the slaves in Saint Domingue rebelled against their French masters. The slaves destroyed plantations and towns. Toussaint L'Ouverture, a former slave, took control of the government and restored some order to the country.
However, after Napoleon I came to power in France in 1799, he sent an army to restore colonial rule. The army sent by Napoleon captured and L'Ouverture and imprisoned him in France. However, many of the French soldiers caught yellow fever and died, and the rebels defeated the weakened French army in 1803. On Jan. 1, 1804, General Jean-Jacques Dessalines, the leader of the rebels, proclaimed the colony an independent country named Haiti.
deaddude said:Did you not read my quote, the Haitian Slave revolt was successful they kicked the french out of Haiti. After they were given independence and freedom they were still as abolishonist as ever. Non-slave abolitionists.
Question, do the Old Testament rules regarding slaves say that slavery is an abomination and all existing slaves should be free?
deaddude said:Oh so you are saying that a religion can progress form an antiquated idea in its holy book. Funny, there are still some Christians who believe that slavery is acceptable. Perhaps then there are Muslims that do not believe in jihad.
deaddude said:I never said it did, what I said was that it meant "God says its alright if you do X" which is an endorsement of slavery. So your logic follows the Koran endorses Jihad so all Muslims endorse Jihad, then the Bible endorses slavery so all Christians endorse slavery.
rtwngAvngr said:Construing that as an endorsement of slavery in the modern world is idiotic.
deaddude said:Oh so you are saying that a religion can progress form an antiquated idea in its holy book. Funny, there are still some Christians who believe that slavery is acceptable. Perhaps then there are Muslims that do not believe in jihad.
Said1 said:Some Christians may believe slavery is acceptable, but there are no one practicing it, there is only one interpretation, and it's illegal. On the other hand,
Jihad is STILL the sixth pillar of Islam, and it still means defense of Islam against attackers or struggle against evil. In order to wage Jihad, they must feel threatened or attacked FIRST.
Said1 said:Some Christians may believe slavery is acceptable, but there are no one practicing it, there is only one interpretation, and it's illegal.
deaddude said:Therefore the actions of the 9/11 terrorists is not Jihad since they were the aggressors? They (the terrorists) are just perverting an idea in Koran about self defense?