What should we do now: for Liberals

Discussion in 'Middle East - General' started by 5stringJeff, Nov 23, 2004.

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    This is a very serious question. It is aimed at the liberals, moderates, and hard-core Marxists on the board.

    It is November of 2004. President Bush has now won re-election. What should his course of action be regarding the war on terrorism worldwide, and the war in Iraq specifically? No fair turning back the clock and saying "We shouldn't have been there in the first place." What should we do now?
     
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    Focus your attention on finding the ones responsible for 9/11. Find a resonable, and peaceful way out of Iraq, and allow the people to decide they're own fate, and resources. Drop the missle shield; dela with N. Korea; open the borders to Canadian beef, and respect NAFTA.
     
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    According to many on this board, the whole Islam religion is responsible for 9/11. What do we do with 'em after we round em all up? A reasonable and peaceful exit from Iraq is an oxymoron.
     
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    Marbles-

    What on Earth do Canadian Beef and NAFTA have to do with Terrorism and Iraq?
     
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    Fair enough question jeff!

    You're in Iraq, whether the world likes in or not so do your best and I do believe the US is trying hard. The odds are and have always been completely stacked against them, unfortunately. I don't believe there is any ideal solution, unfortunately.

    Afghanistan is a different matter. The country is much more stable and receptive to Western support. Let all the western nations build Afghanistan's infrastructure, debt free, so that they have a viable national industry in which to promote prosperty. With prosperty comes democracy, rarely the other way around.

    All nations, not just the US, have to put pressure on Sudan and think it's time for a joint AU-NATO peacekeeping force for Sudan. It's a clear and present humanitarian crisis-Rwanda style.

    NK and Iran are nuclear threats. World military ultimatum's must be made. The world has sat on there proverbial asses too long. NK first, and Iran second.

    The Isreal/Palestine question must be settled in 2005. They need peace, the region needs peace. Pressure must be applied strongly and equally on both sides, perhaps with Western trade incentives to sweeten the deal. In addition, Israeli subsidizes/grants should be threatened as part of this deal.

    The War on Terror, in my opinion, can never be won with bullets alone. Solving Israel/Palestine question would help. A stable Afghanistan, and hopefully Iraq would do wonders. Targetted, large quantities of foreign aid for counties that embrace American or Western style values is also good (Bangladesh, Turkey, Afghanistan etc). Serve notice to the world that the US supports its allies.

    The power of Western powers since the early 20th century has never been their militaries, but rather their economic clout, especially the United States. A billion dollars may buy a miltary a few planes, but it can completely rejuvinate a country and people with it. That I believe is the new power of the 21st century and not to exploit it on the War on Terror would be fool hearty.
     
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    Well I reckon us Canadians can have pipe dreams of our own selfish design! :D
     
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    The Islam religion is not responsible for 9/11. Why would you round 'em all up. Just punish those who have done you harm. The pre-emptive stuff is a iffy stragety at best. Putting all your troops on Hercs and flying out of Iraq is peacful, maybe not reasonable. It's a mess, maybe a really big swiffer will do the job.

    Sorry about the beef stuf, i was on a tangent.
     
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    Here's the way I interpret your sentiments:

    Give up in Iraq. Allow the people to descend back into the same abusive slavery that existed before the war. Turn Saddam loose and apologize to him. Make no effort to defend yourselves from nuclear missile attack potential from N. Korea or China because it makes us Canadians uncomfortable. Don't do anything drastic with N. Korea, simply return to the Clintonian policy of appeasement because it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy and gives the illusion of security. Allow anyone who wants to screw you over in trade to do so. The American economy is nothing more than a dumping ground for subsidized goods from other nations and Americans have no right to defend their own interests.

    Have I got that right?
     
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    Almost. Don't forget, "Thank you, O morally superior world, for stomping my ass. Clearly, I deserve it. I'm sorry if I bruised your feet with my unworthy bones".
     
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    Oh yes indeed. How DID I forget that?

    My bad.

    :usa:
     

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