What Philosophical Principle Do Liberals Hang Their Ideology On?

[Publius1787]

What Philosophical Principle Do Liberals Hang Their Ideology On?

For conservatives, it’s easy. They either place their ideology on the principle of self-ownership as written by John Locke or the no harm principle as advocated by J.S. Mill. But what does the modern day liberal trace his/her ideological principles back to? What is the foundation of their thought? It can’t be the classical liberalism of the above stated philosophers (Which calles into qustion the reason they identify as "liberals"). So who/what? Is it “From each according to his ability to each according to his need”? Certainly a modern day liberal/progressive/democrat should be able to shine some light on this question.

 

[yidnar]

What Philosophical Principle Do Liberals Hang Their Ideology On?

For conservatives, it’s easy. They either place their ideology on the principle of self-ownership as written by John Locke or the no harm principle as advocated by J.S. Mill. But what does the modern day liberal trace their ideological principles back to? It can’t be the classical liberalism of the above stated philosophers. So who/what? Is it “From each according to his ability to each according to his need”?

Marxism .

 

[Publius1787]

What Philosophical Principle Do Liberals Hang Their Ideology On?

For conservatives, it’s easy. They either place their ideology on the principle of self-ownership as written by John Locke or the no harm principle as advocated by J.S. Mill. But what does the modern day liberal trace their ideological principles back to? It can’t be the classical liberalism of the above stated philosophers. So who/what? Is it “From each according to his ability to each according to his need”?

Marxism .

Of some sort, but let’s give them the opportunity to define themselves because other than coming to the same conclusion as yourself, I am at a loss. Honestly, are there any liberals out there who can justify their own ideology without it ending in slavery of some sort as provided by socialism?

 

[Pheonixops]

What Philosophical Principle Do Liberals Hang Their Ideology On?

For conservatives, it’s easy. They either place their ideology on the principle of self-ownership as written by John Locke or the no harm principle as advocated by J.S. Mill. But what does the modern day liberal trace his/her ideological principles back to? What is the foundation of their thought? It can’t be the classical liberalism of the above stated philosophers (Which calles into qustion the reason they identify as "liberals"). So who/what? Is it “From each according to his ability to each according to his need”? Certainly a modern day liberal/progressive/democrat should be able to shine some light on this question.

Those are Liberal ideologies and NOT conservative ideologies. I would think that your conservative philosophy would go back to the likes of John c. Calhoun. I'm willing to go "issue to issue' with you to see how my Liberal philosophy compares to what i think that your conservative philosophy is.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

Exactly, Phoenix.

Conservative thought goes more to "the cave" and religious nonsense.

On the other hand there is nothing at all liberal about turning public education into America's mind police and unconditional charity. Those practices are closer to crazy than liberal.

 

[Publius1787]

What Philosophical Principle Do Liberals Hang Their Ideology On?

For conservatives, it’s easy. They either place their ideology on the principle of self-ownership as written by John Locke or the no harm principle as advocated by J.S. Mill. But what does the modern day liberal trace his/her ideological principles back to? What is the foundation of their thought? It can’t be the classical liberalism of the above stated philosophers (Which calles into qustion the reason they identify as "liberals"). So who/what? Is it “From each according to his ability to each according to his need”? Certainly a modern day liberal/progressive/democrat should be able to shine some light on this question.

Those are Liberal ideologies and NOT conservative ideologies. I would think that your conservative philosophy would go back to the likes of John c. Calhoun. I'm willing to go "issue to issue' with you to see how my Liberal philosophy compares to what i think that your conservative philosophy is.

There is a difference between classical liberalism and a party that renamed themselves liberals as a PR stunt after the embarrassment of progressivism. In any case, this was already addressed in the above post. The question at hand was not to go by issue by issue but to figure out what modern “liberals” trace their philosophy back to. You can’t claim principle of self-ownership and you can’t claim the no harm principle because modern day liberal policies divide people by class and implement redistributive policies. That’s not liberalism.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Communism.

 

[Publius1787]

Exactly, P.

Conservative thought goes more to "the cave" and religious nonsense.

On the other hand there is nothing at all liberal about turning public education into America's mind police and unconditional charity. Those practices are closer to crazy than liberal.

Certainly religion has played a roll among conservatives when it comes to advocating the inexcusable. I will grant you that. It is a corrupting factor as they must pander for votes that they cannot win without. This is why abortion, homosexuality, religion have always been a democrat beating stick. On liberty and freedom as a whole, on the other hand, they can’t hold a candle to conservatives.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I would say that the teachings of liberalism can be traced to the words and teachings of Jesus.

 

[NoNukes]

What Philosophical Principle Do Liberals Hang Their Ideology On?

For conservatives, it’s easy. They either place their ideology on the principle of self-ownership as written by John Locke or the no harm principle as advocated by J.S. Mill. But what does the modern day liberal trace his/her ideological principles back to? What is the foundation of their thought? It can’t be the classical liberalism of the above stated philosophers (Which calles into qustion the reason they identify as "liberals"). So who/what? Is it “From each according to his ability to each according to his need”? Certainly a modern day liberal/progressive/democrat should be able to shine some light on this question.

Experience and common sense.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Not so, vandalshandle. Liberation Theology is not Christianity. Its Marxism with an upside down cross. No such thing as a Marxist Christian. They don't exist. - Jeremiah

 

[Publius1787]

I would say that the teachings of liberalism can be traced to the words and teachings of Jesus.

Yeah, this conversation is beyond you.

 

[Publius1787]

What Philosophical Principle Do Liberals Hang Their Ideology On?

For conservatives, it’s easy. They either place their ideology on the principle of self-ownership as written by John Locke or the no harm principle as advocated by J.S. Mill. But what does the modern day liberal trace his/her ideological principles back to? What is the foundation of their thought? It can’t be the classical liberalism of the above stated philosophers (Which calles into qustion the reason they identify as "liberals"). So who/what? Is it “From each according to his ability to each according to his need”? Certainly a modern day liberal/progressive/democrat should be able to shine some light on this question.

Experience and common sense.

Experience and common sense dictate that this is a non-answer and it is very revealing that no one can answer the question in the op!

 

[Vandalshandle]

Not so, vandalshandle. Liberation Theology is not Christianity. Its Marxism with an upside down cross. No such thing as a Marxist Christian. They don't exist. - Jeremiah

Oversimplified hogwash.

Please give me a single quote of Jesus from the gospels that support today's conservative principles. On the other hand, you could start with the sermon on the mount, and find it full of today liberal concepts....and that is just a small example of his sayings that liberals embrace.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I would say that the teachings of liberalism can be traced to the words and teachings of Jesus.

Yeah, this conversation is beyond you.

Sorry, but I do not consider your judgement on that to have any validity at all. If you want to talk about the issues, fine. If you want to talk about me, you, yourself are not qualified for this discussion.

 

[Publius1787]

Not so, vandalshandle. Liberation Theology is not Christianity. Its Marxism with an upside down cross. No such thing as a Marxist Christian. They don't exist. - Jeremiah

Oversimplified hogwash.

Please give me a single quote of Jesus from the gospels that support today's conservative principles. On the other hand, you could start with the sermon on the mount, and find it full of today liberal concepts....and that is just a small example of his sayings that liberals embrace.

Jesus wanted us to give to each other via individual choice. Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus wants us to use force as a means to help one another. The Democrat platform hangs on the principle of force so that they may steal from one to give to another in only the manner they see fit. This is not the principle of self-ownership and this is not the no harm principle. This is "From each according to this ability to each according to his need" via the dictates of others.

 

[NoNukes]

What Philosophical Principle Do Liberals Hang Their Ideology On?

For conservatives, it’s easy. They either place their ideology on the principle of self-ownership as written by John Locke or the no harm principle as advocated by J.S. Mill. But what does the modern day liberal trace his/her ideological principles back to? What is the foundation of their thought? It can’t be the classical liberalism of the above stated philosophers (Which calles into qustion the reason they identify as "liberals"). So who/what? Is it “From each according to his ability to each according to his need”? Certainly a modern day liberal/progressive/democrat should be able to shine some light on this question.

Experience and common sense.

Experience and common sense dictate that this is a non-answer and it is very revealing that no one can answer the question in the op!

That is what I base my beliefs on, and I am a liberal. You saying it is a non-answer does not make it so, it simply shows that you have no reply, and you did not even take the time to consider my answer.

 

[Publius1787]

I would say that the teachings of liberalism can be traced to the words and teachings of Jesus.

Yeah, this conversation is beyond you.

Sorry, but I do not consider your judgement on that to have any validity at all. If you want to talk about the issues, fine. If you want to talk about me, you, yourself are not qualified for this discussion.

The only thing worse than being stupid is not knowing that you’re stupid. I suppose I have no choice than to let the ignorant be ignorant. Indeed, anyone with good judgment not only makes a claim but justifies their claim. In any case, using religion as a basis for modern day liberal philosophy makes a mockery of liberalism. If I need to explain this concept to you then you’re in more trouble than I thought.

 

[Publius1787]

Experience and common sense.

Experience and common sense dictate that this is a non-answer and it is very revealing that no one can answer the question in the op!

That is what I base my beliefs on, and I am a liberal. You saying it is a non-answer does not make it so, it simply shows that you have no reply, and you did not even take the time to consider my answer.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the fall of Western civilization. (See above). I suppose the biggest problem is that you truly do believe you gave an adequate response. I speak of Locke and Mill and you simply say "experience and common sense," without defining either, of which, both are not so common as you have demonstrated. Feel free to leave if this subject is over your head (staying will only make you look like a fool). Considering your company, however, that might not be necessarily true.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Not so, vandalshandle. Liberation Theology is not Christianity. Its Marxism with an upside down cross. No such thing as a Marxist Christian. They don't exist. - Jeremiah

Oversimplified hogwash.

Please give me a single quote of Jesus from the gospels that support today's conservative principles. On the other hand, you could start with the sermon on the mount, and find it full of today liberal concepts....and that is just a small example of his sayings that liberals embrace.

Jesus wanted us to give to each other via individual choice. Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus wants us to use force as a means to help one another.

Nowhere does the bible say that Jesus wanted us to give to each other via individual choice either. Jesus preached that helping the poor, sick and less fortunate was a Christian obligation.

The Democrat platform hangs on the principle of force so that they may steal from one to give to another in only the manner they see fit. This is not the principle of self-ownership and this is not the no harm principle. This is "From each according to this ability to each according to his need" via the dictates of others.

So it is Christian for individuals to help the poor, sick and unfortunate but Marxism when a government comprised of We the People does the exact same thing? As a Judeo-Christian nation isn't one of the guiding principles the welfare of the people themselves? Why does the means to the end transform from a Christian Principle into a Marxism tenet simply because it is being done by the more perfect union of we the people?