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The two party system works fine. There are many different types of views individuals in each party represent, take a Ron Paul and a Lindsay graham for instance..The OP makes it seem like we have only two competing ideologies, which is not the case.
Yeah... like the way Ron Paul was "represented" at the RNC? Which point are you trying to make?
Exactly!
The range of opinion and ideologies exist - but the parties aren't reprsenting them.
Rabbi -
And how many Liberatarian Congresmen and Senator are there?
Do try and keep up.
I don't think an over abundance of parties or candidates is helpful or likely. However if the democrats and republicans continue to become more and more extreme I can and do see an independent/center party being viable and worthwhile. I think having a thrid party would prevent the deadlock we have and keep the extremes from tilting too much in either direction.
Rabbi -
Ah, I see, so you are saying that there are not enough Libertarians in the US to vote in a Senator or Congressman?
Somehow I think a few Libertarians on this board might be more confidant.
I think any decent Libertarian Party in the use would gain 15% of the vote without any problems.
With communists I agree with you. They aren't in our parliament either.
Rabbi -
Ah, I see, so you are saying that there are not enough Libertarians in the US to vote in a Senator or Congressman?
Somehow I think a few Libertarians on this board might be more confidant.
I think any decent Libertarian Party in the use would gain 15% of the vote without any problems.
With communists I agree with you. They aren't in our parliament either.
My opinion? I think we need the Democratic and Republican Party to hold down the Center and branch off from there. Tea Party to the right, Socialists to the left.
Of course that still leaves Libertarians out in limbo...they are so far right on aime issues and so far left on others that its hard to classify them.
The two party system works fine. There are many different types of views individuals in each party represent, take a Ron Paul and a Lindsay graham for instance..The OP makes it seem like we have only two competing ideologies, which is not the case.
No, not at all!
I'm not saying you have only 2 competing ideologies - I am saying you only have a choice of 2 candidates to represent the dozen ideologies you have.
That is the core of the problem.
Why should a Libertarian 'have to' vote for a GOP candidate when they want to vote for a Liberatarian?
Um... Yeah... But they aren't all represented. That as the point. I mean hell they made damn sure delegates didn't get to vote because it wasn't what the party leaders wanted.The two party system works fine. There are many different types of views individuals in each party represent, take a Ron Paul and a Lindsay graham for instance..The OP makes it seem like we have only two competing ideologies, which is not the case.
Yeah... like the way Ron Paul was "represented" at the RNC? Which point are you trying to make?
There is already a diversity of views within the parties.
We're far right on fiscal issues, we want government out of it. We're far left on social issues, we want government out of it. We want to limit government to only those functions that only government can do. Military, police, roads, courts, that sort of thing. Why is that hard to classify? We're the minimum government party.
II think both major parties would split - GOP into Tea Party and a more business-focused urban party; the Dems into a genuine Social Democrat Party and a centrist party focusing on small businesses and urban professionals
I don't think an over abundance of parties or candidates is helpful or likely. However if the democrats and republicans continue to become more and more extreme I can and do see an independent/center party being viable and worthwhile. I think having a thrid party would prevent the deadlock we have and keep the extremes from tilting too much in either direction.
OK, this is something I really don't get. In what ways are they "extreme"? I'm not talking about campaign rhetoric, but in the way they actually govern, how are they different really?
The only splits are the ones that exist now. Libertarians come from the Republican party, we're the extreme anti-socon agenda element. The Greens are Democrats who don't mind being called communists. Both poll 1 percent or less and we're not going to change that anytime soon.
Rabbi -
Ah, I see, so you are saying that there are not enough Libertarians in the US to vote in a Senator or Congressman?
Somehow I think a few Libertarians on this board might be more confidant.
I think any decent Libertarian Party in the use would gain 15% of the vote without any problems.
With communists I agree with you. They aren't in our parliament either.
The Libertarian party fails to gain traction and the fault lies squarely with libertarian voters. They repeately allow themselves to be fooled by the Republicans and Democrats. They fall for the sucker's game of "lesser-of-two-evils" and convince themselves that somehow one party is better than the awfulness of the other.
I don't think an over abundance of parties or candidates is helpful or likely. However if the democrats and republicans continue to become more and more extreme I can and do see an independent/center party being viable and worthwhile. I think having a thrid party would prevent the deadlock we have and keep the extremes from tilting too much in either direction.
OK, this is something I really don't get. In what ways are they "extreme"? I'm not talking about campaign rhetoric, but in the way they actually govern, how are they different really?
They pander to the extreme wings of their party. They have become so concerned with reelection and scoring points they have lost the idea of representing the people who actually elected them.
Look at the 1st credit downgrade, that was caused by our congressmen being childish and stubborn. Look up how many abortion bills have been purposed in the last 4 years. We are in economic crisis and our representives are talking abortion and contraception instead of jobs and deficit.
Rabbi -
Ah, I see, so you are saying that there are not enough Libertarians in the US to vote in a Senator or Congressman?
Somehow I think a few Libertarians on this board might be more confidant.
I think any decent Libertarian Party in the use would gain 15% of the vote without any problems.
With communists I agree with you. They aren't in our parliament either.
The Libertarian party fails to gain traction and the fault lies squarely with libertarian voters. They repeately allow themselves to be fooled by the Republicans and Democrats. They fall for the sucker's game of "lesser-of-two-evils" and convince themselves that somehow one party is better than the awfulness of the other.
So you're saying Libertarian voters are stupid? I agree!
I'm using small "l", which you couldn't tell since I started the sentence with the word, oops. I was referring to the ideology, not the people, but when you look at the libertarians then yeah, we overwhelmingly come from the Republican party. There are also a lot of libertarian leaning Republicans, but they haven't split and I doubt they will, so I wasn't counting them.The only splits are the ones that exist now. Libertarians come from the Republican party, we're the extreme anti-socon agenda element. The Greens are Democrats who don't mind being called communists. Both poll 1 percent or less and we're not going to change that anytime soon.
Most of the libertarians I know don't "come from" the Republican party
And I don't consider you libertarian.I certainly don't
Some of them have been beguiled into a false hope of turning the Republican party into a force for freedom. And most of them now realize they've been misled.
Maybe the way the US will go is no parties. CA recently voted itself open primaries through its initiative system.
If there were no parties, perhaps instead of going on ideology, candidates would simply have to state their platforms and let people decide.
That still won't happen in CA unfortunately because their political party is still listed under their name, just everyone gets to vote for whoever they want in the primary and the top two vote getters go on to the General.
I'm waiting for the first election where the top two are in the same party.