What new parties does the US need?

[Saigon]

When I look at how Euro style multi party systems actually work I'm glad we dont have that shit here. After the election they are scrambling to sell out their values faster than day old fish in order to cobble together a coalition majority.
In the US what would haev been separate parties become wings within the Dems or GOP. So they're jockying takes place within the party, saving us from the spectacle of back room dealing after the election.

I do know what you mean, but usually it is fairly clear before an election who can work with who and at what price. I do agree that coalition politics can be dirty, though.

But at leat multi-party politics gives voters a choice you seem to be currently denied.

 

[The Rabbi]

When I look at how Euro style multi party systems actually work I'm glad we dont have that shit here. After the election they are scrambling to sell out their values faster than day old fish in order to cobble together a coalition majority.
In the US what would haev been separate parties become wings within the Dems or GOP. So they're jockying takes place within the party, saving us from the spectacle of back room dealing after the election.

I do know what you mean, but usually it is fairly clear before an election who can work with who and at what price. I do agree that coalition politics can be dirty, though.

But at leat multi-party politics gives voters a choice you seem to be currently denied.

Not true. We have primaries and all kinds of views are represented there. People can work within the party to get their views to the fore.
How many governments has Italy had since ww2?

 

[Saigon]

We have primaries and all kinds of views are represented there.

Oh really, have you?

And how many Senators and Congressmen do, say, the Greens or Libertarians have right now?

Dude - you DO not have real choice, because only two parties can ever obtain any meaningful influence.

 

[Saigon]

American Beer Party
Platform: Increase taxes on cigarettes; reduce taxes on beer.

That would get a lot of votes!

 

[The Rabbi]

We have primaries and all kinds of views are represented there.

Oh really, have you?

And how many Senators and Congressmen do, say, the Greens or Libertarians have right now?

Dude - you DO not have real choice, because only two parties can ever obtain any meaningful influence.

None, thank Gd.
There are plenty of candidates with more or less Libertarian views, and more or less Green views. Sometimes they get elected. Sometimes they don't. The US is a centrist country so radical left/right views don't do well here.

 

[rightwinger]

We are not Germany, idiot.

Profound observation on your part

 

[Saigon]

Rabbi -

The US is a centrist country so radical left/right views don't do well here.

I think that was true, but to my mind the US is really a very right wing country, despite having a Democrat in power right now.

I think a truer picture of America would probably have 3 right wing parties - one business-focused, one Christian and one for the lunatic Ta Partiers.

 

[Unkotare]

But at leat multi-party politics gives voters a choice you seem to be currently denied.

No it doesn't you ignorant, foreign busy-body.

 

[Unkotare]

to my mind the US is really a very right wing country.

Because you are a far, far left loon.

 

[naturegirl]

I always love it when some left wing loon from another country tells US citizens (we the people) what we should do to our government.

Saigon, I've got news for you................this is America, we don't have to do what you want us to. How about we tell Finland how they should run their government. Do they even have a message board where we can freely express what's wrong with your government??

The people in American have a strong voice, every two years. Most of us don't want the government telling us what to do. As a country we've moved a little more right to combat the progressive ideas of the far left. Far right is not even close.

 

[Saigon]

Most of us don't want the government telling us what to do. .

And yet you approve of having only 2 parties represent you.

Wouldn't more parties and more choice mean you had more of a say in governmnt?

 

[naturegirl]

Most of us don't want the government telling us what to do. .

And yet you approve of having only 2 parties represent you.

Wouldn't more parties and more choice mean you had more of a say in governmnt?

We vote often, and can replace most candidates before they do too much damage. . Party should not matter. While there are "two" parties, the ideology of both is very similar.

Go tell Finland what they need to do, you know that 30% income tax rate and the 23% VAT tax takes a lot of $$$$ out of people's pockets.

For now, I think we're good. When we need a change, US citizens will make that happen, it has in the past, it will again. Unless the far left socialist loving government dependent citizens begin to out number the people that "build that".

 

[Unkotare]

How about we tell Finland how they should run their government.

The difference being that we could tell them how to run their government, and if we were really serious about it they damn well would run it that way.

 

[Unkotare]

Wouldn't more parties mean you had more of a say in governmnt?

No it wouldn't, you ignorant fucking moron.

 

[Rocko]

The two party system works fine. There are many different types of views individuals in each party represent, take a Ron Paul and a Lindsay graham for instance..The OP makes it seem like we have only two competing ideologies, which is not the case.

 

[dblack]

The two party system works fine. There are many different types of views individuals in each party represent, take a Ron Paul and a Lindsay graham for instance..The OP makes it seem like we have only two competing ideologies, which is not the case.

Yeah... like the way Ron Paul was "represented" at the RNC? Which point are you trying to make?

 

[Saigon]

The two party system works fine. There are many different types of views individuals in each party represent, take a Ron Paul and a Lindsay graham for instance..The OP makes it seem like we have only two competing ideologies, which is not the case.

No, not at all!

I'm not saying you have only 2 competing ideologies - I am saying you only have a choice of 2 candidates to represent the dozen ideologies you have.

That is the core of the problem.

Why should a Libertarian 'have to' vote for a GOP candidate when they want to vote for a Liberatarian?

 

[Rocko]

The two party system works fine. There are many different types of views individuals in each party represent, take a Ron Paul and a Lindsay graham for instance..The OP makes it seem like we have only two competing ideologies, which is not the case.

Yeah... like the way Ron Paul was "represented" at the RNC? Which point are you trying to make?

There is already a diversity of views within the parties.

 

[Saigon]

The two party system works fine. There are many different types of views individuals in each party represent, take a Ron Paul and a Lindsay graham for instance..The OP makes it seem like we have only two competing ideologies, which is not the case.

Yeah... like the way Ron Paul was "represented" at the RNC? Which point are you trying to make?

Exactly!

The range of opinion and ideologies exist - but the parties aren't reprsenting them.

 

[The Rabbi]

The two party system works fine. There are many different types of views individuals in each party represent, take a Ron Paul and a Lindsay graham for instance..The OP makes it seem like we have only two competing ideologies, which is not the case.

No, not at all!

I'm not saying you have only 2 competing ideologies - I am saying you only have a choice of 2 candidates to represent the dozen ideologies you have.

That is the core of the problem.

Why should a Libertarian 'have to' vote for a GOP candidate when they want to vote for a Liberatarian?

They dont. There is a Libertarian Party and people are free to vote for them.