What needs to be done if we want to control guns

[sfcalifornia]

The OP relates to the need for groundswell support for gun controls from the American people. We cannot rely on Congress to do the job. They have shown they are not capable or willing

It will take major political pressure from the American people to get change

It happened with smoking and drunk driving. It can happen with guns

And as I said, in both cases, you are not dealing with consitutionally protected rights, and in both cases there is no prior restraint in the sale or use of both items. You actually have to commit the crime for you to be punished, and with the exception of age or prior conviction, there is no restriction on the use of either.

Nobody is punishing you and nobody is prohibiting you from legally obtaining guns

Your Second Amendment Rights are still intact

That does not mean we can not pass laws that inhibit the ability of criminals and the insane from obtaining firearms

Nutters are having a hard time figuring out the difference between gun control and gun bans.

 

[Stephanie]

And as I said, in both cases, you are not dealing with consitutionally protected rights, and in both cases there is no prior restraint in the sale or use of both items. You actually have to commit the crime for you to be punished, and with the exception of age or prior conviction, there is no restriction on the use of either.

Nobody is punishing you and nobody is prohibiting you from legally obtaining guns

Your Second Amendment Rights are still intact

That does not mean we can not pass laws that inhibit the ability of criminals and the insane from obtaining firearms

Nutters are having a hard time figuring out the difference between gun control and gun bans.

I hope this government takes on controlling the 1st Amendment next

 

[sfcalifornia]

Yeah...because we all know criminals obey the law.

As a responsible gun owner, why would you want your gun to end up in the hands of a criminal?

alright then, when a criminal steals your CAR you should be held resonsible if they commit a murder with and go to jail..You should of taken better care not to let your car be stolen

Why would a responsible gun owner following the law be liable for the actions of a criminal if the criminal steals the gun away from them?

Your argument is lame.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Nobody is punishing you and nobody is prohibiting you from legally obtaining guns

Your Second Amendment Rights are still intact

That does not mean we can not pass laws that inhibit the ability of criminals and the insane from obtaining firearms

Nutters are having a hard time figuring out the difference between gun control and gun bans.

I hope this government takes on controlling the 1st Amendment next

Why would they do that and why would you hope for something like that?

 

[Stephanie]

Nutters are having a hard time figuring out the difference between gun control and gun bans.

I hope this government takes on controlling the 1st Amendment next

Why would they do that and why would you hope for something like that?

because it can cause violence..they will need to control that next

 

[rightwinger]

Yeah...because we all know criminals obey the law.

As a responsible gun owner, why would you want your gun to end up in the hands of a criminal?

alright then, when a criminal steals your CAR you should be held responsible if they commit a murder with it and go to jail..You should of taken better care not to let your car be stolen

Actually, if someone steals you car, YOU are liable for what happens

That is why you have liability insurance

Same should apply to responsible gun owners

 

[Stephanie]

As a responsible gun owner, why would you want your gun to end up in the hands of a criminal?

alright then, when a criminal steals your CAR you should be held responsible if they commit a murder with it and go to jail..You should of taken better care not to let your car be stolen

Actually, if someone steals you car, YOU are liable for what happens

That is why you have liability insurance

Same should apply to responsible gun owners

ok goody, so what should apply to the criminals and the insane you all are so worried about.?
Nobody has stopped them so far and there are MANY laws on the books about it..Your only solution is to infringe on the people who had nothing to do with any crimes..

 

[rightwinger]

alright then, when a criminal steals your CAR you should be held responsible if they commit a murder with it and go to jail..You should of taken better care not to let your car be stolen

Actually, if someone steals you car, YOU are liable for what happens

That is why you have liability insurance

Same should apply to responsible gun owners

ok goody, so what should apply to the criminals and the insane you all are so worried about.?
Nobody has stopped them so far and there are MANY laws on the books about it..Your only solution is to infringe on the people who had nothing to do with any crimes..

If your gun ends up in the hands of a criminal or the insane it is YOUR responsibility

It's called responsible gun ownership

 

[Stephanie]

Actually, if someone steals you car, YOU are liable for what happens

That is why you have liability insurance

Same should apply to responsible gun owners

ok goody, so what should apply to the criminals and the insane you all are so worried about.?
Nobody has stopped them so far and there are MANY laws on the books about it..Your only solution is to infringe on the people who had nothing to do with any crimes..

If your gun ends up in the hands of a criminal or the insane it is YOUR responsibility

It's called responsible gun ownership

lol, good luck enforcing that one...iron your brown shrit and polish your jack boots

 

[rightwinger]

ok goody, so what should apply to the criminals and the insane you all are so worried about.?
Nobody has stopped them so far and there are MANY laws on the books about it..Your only solution is to infringe on the people who had nothing to do with any crimes..

If your gun ends up in the hands of a criminal or the insane it is YOUR responsibility

It's called responsible gun ownership

lol, good luck enforcing that one...iron your brown shrit and polish your jack boots

No....just looking for responsible gun ownership

Guns have serial numbers. You sell a gun, you should report the gun serial number and who you sold it to

Your gun ends up in the hands of a criminal.......YOU are liable.

 

[martybegan]

As a responsible gun owner, why would you want your gun to end up in the hands of a criminal?

alright then, when a criminal steals your CAR you should be held responsible if they commit a murder with it and go to jail..You should of taken better care not to let your car be stolen

Actually, if someone steals you car, YOU are liable for what happens

That is why you have liability insurance

Same should apply to responsible gun owners

No you are not. The insurance is for legal non insured drivers, not a thief. Liability follows the driver, not the vehicle. The only possible exception is if you leave it running outside a store and then someone uses it in an accident. The equivalent of leaving your loaded gun lying in the street.

Stop being a fucking liar.

 

[martybegan]

Nobody is punishing you and nobody is prohibiting you from legally obtaining guns

Your Second Amendment Rights are still intact

That does not mean we can not pass laws that inhibit the ability of criminals and the insane from obtaining firearms

How is imposing a 7 round magazine limit inhibiting the ability of criminals and the insane from obtaining firearms?

Inconvenient? Possibly
punishment? hardly

You didnt answer the fucking question.

 

[rightwinger]

alright then, when a criminal steals your CAR you should be held responsible if they commit a murder with it and go to jail..You should of taken better care not to let your car be stolen

Actually, if someone steals you car, YOU are liable for what happens

That is why you have liability insurance

Same should apply to responsible gun owners

No you are not. The insurance is for legal non insured drivers, not a thief. Liability follows the driver, not the vehicle. The only possible exception is if you leave it running outside a store and then someone uses it in an accident. The equivalent of leaving your loaded gun lying in the street.

Stop being a fucking liar.

Wrong...your liability insurance is on each vehicle

Someone steals your vehicle....You are still liable for any damages

 

[martybegan]

Actually, if someone steals you car, YOU are liable for what happens

That is why you have liability insurance

Same should apply to responsible gun owners

No you are not. The insurance is for legal non insured drivers, not a thief. Liability follows the driver, not the vehicle. The only possible exception is if you leave it running outside a store and then someone uses it in an accident. The equivalent of leaving your loaded gun lying in the street.

Stop being a fucking liar.

Wrong...your liability insurance is on each vehicle

Someone steals your vehicle....You are still liable for any damages

Can you prove that via a link, or are you making crap up again?

 

[martybegan]

Actually, if someone steals you car, YOU are liable for what happens

That is why you have liability insurance

Same should apply to responsible gun owners

No you are not. The insurance is for legal non insured drivers, not a thief. Liability follows the driver, not the vehicle. The only possible exception is if you leave it running outside a store and then someone uses it in an accident. The equivalent of leaving your loaded gun lying in the street.

Stop being a fucking liar.

Wrong...your liability insurance is on each vehicle

Someone steals your vehicle....You are still liable for any damages

Can you prove that via a link, or are you making crap up again?

I can, and you are wrong. fess up.

What Happens If Another Driver Crashes My Car?

 

[akelch]

The number one cause of death for children 7 and under?......drowning.

Ban water

 

[RoadVirus]

If your gun ends up in the hands of a criminal or the insane it is YOUR responsibility

It's called responsible gun ownership

Okay..let's say the gun they stole from me was in a safe and they broke open the safe.

Question: Is whatever happens still my fault? Does that make me an "irresponsible gun owner"?

 

[akelch]

If your gun ends up in the hands of a criminal or the insane it is YOUR responsibility

It's called responsible gun ownership

Okay..let's say the gun they stole from me was in a safe and they broke open the safe.

Question: Is whatever happens still my fault? Does that make me an "irresponsible gun owner"?

The way I look at it, it's the governments fault. They made braking into your home and steal your guns illegal. Thus, it shouldn't happen. They say, these laws are to make us safe and to stop crime....obviously it didn't work...thus they failed. Their fault.

 

[Paulie]

President Obama made a nice speech but other than some executive orders on gun registration and sharing of information, nothing will be done by Congress

The NRA has too much influence over Congress to get any gun legislation passed. Congress may huff and puff but nothing will be done

I grew up in the 50s and 60s. Half the people smoked and it was ridiculous to think Congress could do anything about smoking. Smoking was part of our culture and the smoking lobby was very powerful
Drunk Driving killed thousands of people a year. It was accepted that nothing could be done. Drinking was part of our culture and the alcohol lobby was very strong

What changed?

It was the people who got fed up. Grass roots movements against smoking and groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving became politically powerful. Smoking and drunk driving no longer were socially acceptable. It became politically unfeasable to support smoking or lax drunk driving rules.
Public smoking was banned, drunk driving laws were made tougher and the rates of smoking and drunk driving decreased dramatically

If anything will be done on gun violence it will have to come from the American people and not the politicians. Strong grass roots movements need to rise up and say "Enough is enough". These movements need to go head to head with the NRA and support candidates who are willing to fight for stricter gun laws

Unless that happens we will see business as usual

Holy shit, the people are expected to influence their representatives to get laws passed.

How did you ever come up with such logical clarity?

 

[akelch]

President Obama made a nice speech but other than some executive orders on gun registration and sharing of information, nothing will be done by Congress

The NRA has too much influence over Congress to get any gun legislation passed. Congress may huff and puff but nothing will be done

I grew up in the 50s and 60s. Half the people smoked and it was ridiculous to think Congress could do anything about smoking. Smoking was part of our culture and the smoking lobby was very powerful
Drunk Driving killed thousands of people a year. It was accepted that nothing could be done. Drinking was part of our culture and the alcohol lobby was very strong

What changed?

It was the people who got fed up. Grass roots movements against smoking and groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving became politically powerful. Smoking and drunk driving no longer were socially acceptable. It became politically unfeasable to support smoking or lax drunk driving rules.
Public smoking was banned, drunk driving laws were made tougher and the rates of smoking and drunk driving decreased dramatically

If anything will be done on gun violence it will have to come from the American people and not the politicians. Strong grass roots movements need to rise up and say "Enough is enough". These movements need to go head to head with the NRA and support candidates who are willing to fight for stricter gun laws

Unless that happens we will see business as usual

Holy shit, the people are expected to influence their representatives to get laws passed.

How did you ever come up with such logical clarity?

Actually we don't need to wait for congress. We can throw our guns away now.