What Kind of State in Israel?

[Hossfly]

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holy shit you cannot be this stupid...you're baiting me...right????

Not at all, Mr. Grammar. You're the one who puts up words that are non-existant. I be playin' according to the rules.

 

[georgephillip]

The 1st definition, skidmark. You don't get to pick and choose.



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— n




the type of journalism that relies on sensationalism and lurid exaggeration to attract readers







[C19: perhaps shortened from the phrase Yellow Kid journalism, referring to the Yellow Kid, a cartoon (1895) in the New York World, a newspaper having a reputation for sensationalism]



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Point out any "sensationalism" or "lurid exaggeration" in my link.
Do you agree with this:

"Israel was established to be a Jewish state. Its institutions have always been shaped and constrained so as to ensure the continued existence of a Jewish majority and character."

Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Simply this: Counterpunch is one-sided yellow journalism. An anti-Semitic web site. Show us just one article in it's history that favors Israel.

Here's one that qualifies in some places:

"Israel today, the realization of the Zionist theory, bears little relationship to the original concept, which was much more attune to the fact that Palestine was peopled by Arabs and they were also human beings who deserved to have rights."

The Enigma of Israel » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

The Jewish homeland in Palestine was an idea put forward by some devout anti-Semites in this country and England. I don't think they did that to enhance democracy in the middle east. I think it had more to do with arms sales and oil sales.

 

[georgephillip]

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

Samuel Adams

Conservatives don't favor that level of intellectual honesty, Jos.
You are on THIN ice.

 

[RoccoR]

georgephillip, et al,

Interesting. I wonder what the agenda is here?

Two core questions that need to be answered:

• "what kind of state is Israel?"
• "who are the Palestinians that state is in conflict with?"

(ANSWERS)

• The State of Israel is a democracy, ruled by the people in a parliamentary fashion; adhering to the Rule of Law adopted by most western nations.

• Israel is not in conflict with the "Palestinians." It is the Palestinians, and the adjacent Arab nations fighting vicariously through the "Palestinians," that are in conflict with Israel.

The "Palestinians" of today are the remainder and the descendants of former displaced residents of Israeli national territory; AND, a conglomerate of associated residents and migrants of the "Occupied Territories." They include the proximity residents at the time of occupation, and the surge of anti-Jewish Arabs and Arab adventures that mustered in the region to fight against occupation and the Israel (referred to as the "Jewish Nation").​

Previous commentary mentions the term: "Apartheid;" the policy of racial segregation. In the previous commentary, "Apartheid" seems to suggest a policy of religious segregation. History would suggest that if the term "Apartheid" is applied in this manner, it would be applicable in the case that the "Palestinians" [or more specifically HAMAS" (Islamic Resistance Movement)(Palestinian nationalism with Islamic fundamentalism)] were to be advancing the policy of the disintegration of Israel (Islamics 'vs' Jewish) as a recognized state.

The Israeli policy of isolation and military containment in Gaza, for the purpose of neutralizing the flow of arms and munitions, should not be confused with any type of "Apartheid" (religious or ethnic/racial). While not the best strategy to be used, it is very standard 20th Century thinking to interdict the supply train of hostile forces accumulating deadly force instruments.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[abu afak]

georgephillip, et al,

Interesting. I wonder what the agenda is here?
.....
Most Respectfully,
R

Hey Rocco.
You Get a vacation from DP for that too candid assessment of Palestinian culture?

Try: Where Hatred Trumps Bread - WSJ.com

abu afak/mbig
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[georgephillip]

georgephillip, et al,

Interesting. I wonder what the agenda is here?

Two core questions that need to be answered:

• "what kind of state is Israel?"
• "who are the Palestinians that state is in conflict with?"

(ANSWERS)

• The State of Israel is a democracy, ruled by the people in a parliamentary fashion; adhering to the Rule of Law adopted by most western nations.

• Israel is not in conflict with the "Palestinians." It is the Palestinians, and the adjacent Arab nations fighting vicariously through the "Palestinians," that are in conflict with Israel.

The "Palestinians" of today are the remainder and the descendants of former displaced residents of Israeli national territory; AND, a conglomerate of associated residents and migrants of the "Occupied Territories." They include the proximity residents at the time of occupation, and the surge of anti-Jewish Arabs and Arab adventures that mustered in the region to fight against occupation and the Israel (referred to as the "Jewish Nation").​

Previous commentary mentions the term: "Apartheid;" the policy of racial segregation. In the previous commentary, "Apartheid" seems to suggest a policy of religious segregation. History would suggest that if the term "Apartheid" is applied in this manner, it would be applicable in the case that the "Palestinians" [or more specifically HAMAS" (Islamic Resistance Movement)(Palestinian nationalism with Islamic fundamentalism)] were to be advancing the policy of the disintegration of Israel (Islamics 'vs' Jewish) as a recognized state.

The Israeli policy of isolation and military containment in Gaza, for the purpose of neutralizing the flow of arms and munitions, should not be confused with any type of "Apartheid" (religious or ethnic/racial). While not the best strategy to be used, it is very standard 20th Century thinking to interdict the supply train of hostile forces accumulating deadly force instruments.

Most Respectfully,
R

R...

When you say the State of Israel is a democracy, what Eastern border for the Jewish state are you assuming. If Israel encompasses all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan and there are almost a million more Arabs than Jews living there, I don't see how Jewish rule and democracy are compatible.

I see the Palestinians of today in opposition to nearly a century of "creeping annexation and transfer" policies at the hands of the Zionists.

 

[eots]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=aOQqhvplwdY&feature=endscreen]Truth About Israel - American Media Won't Tell You - YouTube[/ame]

 

[abu afak]

Eots the Clown- debate by Dubious/Goofy youtube- his mainstay.

Intellect from Credible sources not his thing.
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[eots]

Eots the Clown- debate by Dubious/Goofy youtube- his mainstay

I find most of your post goofy...goofy and most often lacking any credible source...unlike these videos

 

[proudveteran06]

Two core questions that need to be answered: what kind of state is Israel and "who are the Palestinians that state is in conflict with?"

The CounterPunch POV:

"Israel was established to be a Jewish state. Its institutions have always been shaped and constrained so as to ensure the continued existence of a Jewish majority and character.

"Passing a test of Jewishness entitles someone to Israeli citizenship regardless of where in the world she lives.

"Furthermore, her citizenship comes with a bundle of political, social and economic rights which are preferential to that of citizens who do not qualify as Jewish.

"This inbuilt discriminatory premise highlights the apartheid nature of the state. But apartheid is not an accidental feature of Israel. Its very creation involved immense injustice and suffering."

Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Middle East
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=200935


" PALESTINE" WILL BE A NJA STATE !!!!!

Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palestinian state

By KHALED ABU TOAMEH

LAST UPDATED: 12/25/2010 17:33

PA president says US has failed to pressure J’lem, accuses Israel of ‘deception’ for blaming PA for impasse in talks.
Photo: AP
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced on Saturday that when a Palestinian state is established, it will have no Israelis in it.

“We have frankly said, and always will say: If there is an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, we won’t agree to the presence of one Israeli in it,” Abbas told reporters in Ramallah.

RELATED:
Abbas: We reached deal with Olmert on security
Washington Watch: Settlements are excuse, not obstacle

He was commenting on unconfirmed reports suggesting that the PA leadership might agree to the presence of the IDF in the West Bank after the establishment of a Palestinian state.

“We are ready to have peace on the basis of international legitimacy and the road map, which we have accepted, as well as the Arab Peace Initiative,” Abbas said. “But when a Palestinian state is established, it would have no Israeli presence in it.”

The PA president criticized Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and accused him of placing obstacles on the road to peace.

“He who prefers settlements over peace is responsible for the obstacles to peace,” he added.

“If he really was interested in peace, he would have at least preferred peace to settlements.”

Abbas accused the Israeli government of “deception” with the purpose of blaming the Palestinians for the current impasse in the peace talks. He also criticized the US administration for failing to put pressure on Israel to stop the construction in the settlements and east Jerusalem.

“The US administration has tried to stop the settlements, but Netanyahu refused,” he said. “We know that there’s a clear American position, but these days we don’t hear it any more. We hope we will hear it in the future.”

Abbas said that the PA has presented in writing to the US its position regarding all the core issues, but has still not heard Israel’s reply.

“All the final-status issues must be solved according to international resolutions,” he said. “All these issues will be resolved at the negotiating table, and this includes the issue of the refugees, which Israel tried to get rid of, but to no avail.”


Does the Pro- Palestinian poster see anything wrong with the above? Of course not. Are there Muslims in " Israel proper?" Of course there are. Just one more example of how Pro- Palestinian posters are incapable of intelligent discussion

 

[eots]

Two core questions that need to be answered: what kind of state is Israel and "who are the Palestinians that state is in conflict with?"

The CounterPunch POV:

"Israel was established to be a Jewish state. Its institutions have always been shaped and constrained so as to ensure the continued existence of a Jewish majority and character.

"Passing a test of Jewishness entitles someone to Israeli citizenship regardless of where in the world she lives.

"Furthermore, her citizenship comes with a bundle of political, social and economic rights which are preferential to that of citizens who do not qualify as Jewish.

"This inbuilt discriminatory premise highlights the apartheid nature of the state. But apartheid is not an accidental feature of Israel. Its very creation involved immense injustice and suffering."

Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Middle East



" PALESTINE" WILL BE A NJA STATE !!!!!

Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palestinian state

By KHALED ABU TOAMEH

LAST UPDATED: 12/25/2010 17:33

PA president says US has failed to pressure J’lem, accuses Israel of ‘deception’ for blaming PA for impasse in talks.
Photo: AP
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced on Saturday that when a Palestinian state is established, it will have no Israelis in it.

“We have frankly said, and always will say: If there is an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, we won’t agree to the presence of one Israeli in it,” Abbas told reporters in Ramallah.

RELATED:
Abbas: We reached deal with Olmert on security
Washington Watch: Settlements are excuse, not obstacle

He was commenting on unconfirmed reports suggesting that the PA leadership might agree to the presence of the IDF in the West Bank after the establishment of a Palestinian state.

“We are ready to have peace on the basis of international legitimacy and the road map, which we have accepted, as well as the Arab Peace Initiative,” Abbas said. “But when a Palestinian state is established, it would have no Israeli presence in it.”

The PA president criticized Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and accused him of placing obstacles on the road to peace.

“He who prefers settlements over peace is responsible for the obstacles to peace,” he added.

“If he really was interested in peace, he would have at least preferred peace to settlements.”

Abbas accused the Israeli government of “deception” with the purpose of blaming the Palestinians for the current impasse in the peace talks. He also criticized the US administration for failing to put pressure on Israel to stop the construction in the settlements and east Jerusalem.

“The US administration has tried to stop the settlements, but Netanyahu refused,” he said. “We know that there’s a clear American position, but these days we don’t hear it any more. We hope we will hear it in the future.”

Abbas said that the PA has presented in writing to the US its position regarding all the core issues, but has still not heard Israel’s reply.

“All the final-status issues must be solved according to international resolutions,” he said. “All these issues will be resolved at the negotiating table, and this includes the issue of the refugees, which Israel tried to get rid of, but to no avail.”


Does the Pro- Palestinian poster see anything wrong with the above? Of course not. Are there Muslims in " Israel proper?" Of course there are. Just one more example of how Pro- Palestinian posters are incapable of intelligent discussion

no link

 

[proudveteran06]

Two core questions that need to be answered: what kind of state is Israel and "who are the Palestinians that state is in conflict with?"

The CounterPunch POV:

"Israel was established to be a Jewish state. Its institutions have always been shaped and constrained so as to ensure the continued existence of a Jewish majority and character.

"Passing a test of Jewishness entitles someone to Israeli citizenship regardless of where in the world she lives.

"Furthermore, her citizenship comes with a bundle of political, social and economic rights which are preferential to that of citizens who do not qualify as Jewish.

"This inbuilt discriminatory premise highlights the apartheid nature of the state. But apartheid is not an accidental feature of Israel. Its very creation involved immense injustice and suffering."

Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Middle East



" PALESTINE" WILL BE A NJA STATE !!!!!

Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palestinian state

By KHALED ABU TOAMEH

LAST UPDATED: 12/25/2010 17:33

PA president says US has failed to pressure J’lem, accuses Israel of ‘deception’ for blaming PA for impasse in talks.
Photo: AP
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced on Saturday that when a Palestinian state is established, it will have no Israelis in it.

“We have frankly said, and always will say: If there is an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, we won’t agree to the presence of one Israeli in it,” Abbas told reporters in Ramallah.

RELATED:
Abbas: We reached deal with Olmert on security
Washington Watch: Settlements are excuse, not obstacle

He was commenting on unconfirmed reports suggesting that the PA leadership might agree to the presence of the IDF in the West Bank after the establishment of a Palestinian state.

“We are ready to have peace on the basis of international legitimacy and the road map, which we have accepted, as well as the Arab Peace Initiative,” Abbas said. “But when a Palestinian state is established, it would have no Israeli presence in it.”

The PA president criticized Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and accused him of placing obstacles on the road to peace.

“He who prefers settlements over peace is responsible for the obstacles to peace,” he added.

“If he really was interested in peace, he would have at least preferred peace to settlements.”

Abbas accused the Israeli government of “deception” with the purpose of blaming the Palestinians for the current impasse in the peace talks. He also criticized the US administration for failing to put pressure on Israel to stop the construction in the settlements and east Jerusalem.

“The US administration has tried to stop the settlements, but Netanyahu refused,” he said. “We know that there’s a clear American position, but these days we don’t hear it any more. We hope we will hear it in the future.”

Abbas said that the PA has presented in writing to the US its position regarding all the core issues, but has still not heard Israel’s reply.

“All the final-status issues must be solved according to international resolutions,” he said. “All these issues will be resolved at the negotiating table, and this includes the issue of the refugees, which Israel tried to get rid of, but to no avail.”


Does the Pro- Palestinian poster see anything wrong with the above? Of course not. Are there Muslims in " Israel proper?" Of course there are. Just one more example of how Pro- Palestinian posters are incapable of intelligent discussion

let me get this straight: you scarcely understand the broader implications of the information you just posted, and yet you possess the blind swagger to condescend to critics of Israel??? You employ terms like "Israel proper"...and ask bewilderingly "are their Muslims in Israel" without adding any minor stab at a point??? Dude you are a classic example of the Zionsit smoke-and-mirrors strategy....

Click here: Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palest... JPost - Middle East http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=200935 Every Copy and Paste Needs To Be Linked To It's Source.

Dude; Here is the link to the article I posted. The " broader implications" of what I posted is that I believe Israel has the right to exist ? Too bad. Israel ( which does have Arabs) is considered " Racist" but Abbas having a NJA Policy isn't? Typical Pro- Palestinian racist double standard. " Israel proper" isn't a term I made up. It's a term others have used in referring to the 1967 Borders that the Arabs never accepted. I will ask again.... EXACTLY what are the Palestinians contributing to " negotiations?" There will not be an answer.... there never is. Pro- Palestinian are a Classic example of Bigotry, Hate, and drinking the Pro- Palestinian Kool- Aid.

 

[Hossfly]

Middle East



" PALESTINE" WILL BE A NJA STATE !!!!!

Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palestinian state

By KHALED ABU TOAMEH

LAST UPDATED: 12/25/2010 17:33

PA president says US has failed to pressure J’lem, accuses Israel of ‘deception’ for blaming PA for impasse in talks.
Photo: AP
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced on Saturday that when a Palestinian state is established, it will have no Israelis in it.

“We have frankly said, and always will say: If there is an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, we won’t agree to the presence of one Israeli in it,” Abbas told reporters in Ramallah.

RELATED:
Abbas: We reached deal with Olmert on security
Washington Watch: Settlements are excuse, not obstacle

He was commenting on unconfirmed reports suggesting that the PA leadership might agree to the presence of the IDF in the West Bank after the establishment of a Palestinian state.

“We are ready to have peace on the basis of international legitimacy and the road map, which we have accepted, as well as the Arab Peace Initiative,” Abbas said. “But when a Palestinian state is established, it would have no Israeli presence in it.”

The PA president criticized Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and accused him of placing obstacles on the road to peace.

“He who prefers settlements over peace is responsible for the obstacles to peace,” he added.

“If he really was interested in peace, he would have at least preferred peace to settlements.”

Abbas accused the Israeli government of “deception” with the purpose of blaming the Palestinians for the current impasse in the peace talks. He also criticized the US administration for failing to put pressure on Israel to stop the construction in the settlements and east Jerusalem.

“The US administration has tried to stop the settlements, but Netanyahu refused,” he said. “We know that there’s a clear American position, but these days we don’t hear it any more. We hope we will hear it in the future.”

Abbas said that the PA has presented in writing to the US its position regarding all the core issues, but has still not heard Israel’s reply.

“All the final-status issues must be solved according to international resolutions,” he said. “All these issues will be resolved at the negotiating table, and this includes the issue of the refugees, which Israel tried to get rid of, but to no avail.”


Does the Pro- Palestinian poster see anything wrong with the above? Of course not. Are there Muslims in " Israel proper?" Of course there are. Just one more example of how Pro- Palestinian posters are incapable of intelligent discussion

let me get this straight: you scarcely understand the broader implications of the information you just posted, and yet you possess the blind swagger to condescend to critics of Israel??? You employ terms like "Israel proper"...and ask bewilderingly "are their Muslims in Israel" without adding any minor stab at a point??? Dude you are a classic example of the Zionsit smoke-and-mirrors strategy....

Click here: Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palest... JPost - Middle East

Dude; Here is the link to the article I posted. The " broader implications" of what I posted is that I believe Israel has the right to exist ? Too bad. Israel ( which does have Arabs) is considered " Racist" but Abbas having a NJA Policy isn't? Typical Pro- Palestinian racist double standard. " Israel proper" isn't a term I made up. It's a term others have used in referring to the 1967 Borders that the Arabs never accepted. I will ask again.... EXACTLY what are the Palestinians contributing to " negotiations?" There will not be an answer.... there never is. Pro- Palestinian are a Classic example of Bigotry, Hate, and drinking the Pro- Palestinian Kool- Aid.

Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palest... JPost - Middle East

 

[RoccoR]

abu afak/mbig,

Yes, unfortunately I probably will not be back to DP.

Hey Rocco.
You Get a vacation from DP for that too candid assessment of Palestinian culture?

(COMMENT)

While I did send "Serenity" a link one the discovery of the MAO-A gene, and synopsis where studies have found that high testosterone, maternal tobacco smoking during pregnancy, poor material living standards, dropping out of school, and low IQ can also trigger violent behavior in men with the low-activity alleles (which are overwhelmingly the 3R allele), I don't think they have an understanding of where I was coming from. In my comment, I truncated the technical gene to DNA, and low IQ to gray matter.

I actually had a good time on DP, but I don't think it makes sense for me to stick around where the Moderators associate me with hate speech. In fact, I was quite shocked that I was targeted, given the (relatively) positive solutions I supported.

Well, take care.

v/r
R

 

[RoccoR]

georgephillip, et al,

This is (actually) a good question.

R...

When you say the State of Israel is a democracy, what Eastern border for the Jewish state are you assuming. If Israel encompasses all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan and there are almost a million more Arabs than Jews living there, I don't see how Jewish rule and democracy are compatible.

I see the Palestinians of today in opposition to nearly a century of "creeping annexation and transfer" policies at the hands of the Zionists.

(COMMENT)

The democratic/parliamentary aspect of Israel is based on the citizenry of Israel and not borders. As we all know, the entire issue of borders is argumentative in nature. It is exceptionally hard to discuss the topic without it disintegrating in an uncivil manner. But all throughout the lands controlled by Israel, there are citizens of the state. And they have representation in the Knesset. Thus, similar to the US/UK style of government, they are a representative-democracy. And just like in the US/UK, you only have a voice if you are a citizen; not resident aliens or other non-citizens.

Now, citizenship, like in the US/UK is not based on religious affiliation. So, there are many non-Jewish citizens of Israel.

According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, the Arab population in 2010 was estimated at 1,573,000, representing 20.4% of the country's population.[4] The majority of these identify themselves as Arab or Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship.[5][6][7]
SOURCE: Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[proudveteran06]

let me get this straight: you scarcely understand the broader implications of the information you just posted, and yet you possess the blind swagger to condescend to critics of Israel??? You employ terms like "Israel proper"...and ask bewilderingly "are their Muslims in Israel" without adding any minor stab at a point??? Dude you are a classic example of the Zionsit smoke-and-mirrors strategy....

Click here: Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palest... JPost - Middle East

Dude; Here is the link to the article I posted. The " broader implications" of what I posted is that I believe Israel has the right to exist ? Too bad. Israel ( which does have Arabs) is considered " Racist" but Abbas having a NJA Policy isn't? Typical Pro- Palestinian racist double standard. " Israel proper" isn't a term I made up. It's a term others have used in referring to the 1967 Borders that the Arabs never accepted. I will ask again.... EXACTLY what are the Palestinians contributing to " negotiations?" There will not be an answer.... there never is. Pro- Palestinian are a Classic example of Bigotry, Hate, and drinking the Pro- Palestinian Kool- Aid.

Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palest... JPost - Middle East

" Free Palestine" Translation; Israel does not have the right to exist. That is why there will never be a " Palestinian State"

 

[P F Tinmore]

Two core questions that need to be answered: what kind of state is Israel and "who are the Palestinians that state is in conflict with?"

The CounterPunch POV:

"Israel was established to be a Jewish state. Its institutions have always been shaped and constrained so as to ensure the continued existence of a Jewish majority and character.

"Passing a test of Jewishness entitles someone to Israeli citizenship regardless of where in the world she lives.

"Furthermore, her citizenship comes with a bundle of political, social and economic rights which are preferential to that of citizens who do not qualify as Jewish.

"This inbuilt discriminatory premise highlights the apartheid nature of the state. But apartheid is not an accidental feature of Israel. Its very creation involved immense injustice and suffering."

Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Middle East
Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palest... JPost - Middle East


" PALESTINE" WILL BE A NJA STATE !!!!!

Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palestinian state

By KHALED ABU TOAMEH

LAST UPDATED: 12/25/2010 17:33

PA president says US has failed to pressure J’lem, accuses Israel of ‘deception’ for blaming PA for impasse in talks.
Photo: AP
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced on Saturday that when a Palestinian state is established, it will have no Israelis in it.

“We have frankly said, and always will say: If there is an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, we won’t agree to the presence of one Israeli in it,” Abbas told reporters in Ramallah.

RELATED:
Abbas: We reached deal with Olmert on security
Washington Watch: Settlements are excuse, not obstacle

He was commenting on unconfirmed reports suggesting that the PA leadership might agree to the presence of the IDF in the West Bank after the establishment of a Palestinian state.

“We are ready to have peace on the basis of international legitimacy and the road map, which we have accepted, as well as the Arab Peace Initiative,” Abbas said. “But when a Palestinian state is established, it would have no Israeli presence in it.”

The PA president criticized Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and accused him of placing obstacles on the road to peace.

“He who prefers settlements over peace is responsible for the obstacles to peace,” he added.

“If he really was interested in peace, he would have at least preferred peace to settlements.”

Abbas accused the Israeli government of “deception” with the purpose of blaming the Palestinians for the current impasse in the peace talks. He also criticized the US administration for failing to put pressure on Israel to stop the construction in the settlements and east Jerusalem.

“The US administration has tried to stop the settlements, but Netanyahu refused,” he said. “We know that there’s a clear American position, but these days we don’t hear it any more. We hope we will hear it in the future.”

Abbas said that the PA has presented in writing to the US its position regarding all the core issues, but has still not heard Israel’s reply.

“All the final-status issues must be solved according to international resolutions,” he said. “All these issues will be resolved at the negotiating table, and this includes the issue of the refugees, which Israel tried to get rid of, but to no avail.”


Does the Pro- Palestinian poster see anything wrong with the above? Of course not. Are there Muslims in " Israel proper?" Of course there are. Just one more example of how Pro- Palestinian posters are incapable of intelligent discussion

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced on Saturday that when a Palestinian state is established, it will have no Israelis in it.

There are no Palestinians in Israel either.

Is there a point here?

 

[Hossfly]

Click here: Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palest... JPost - Middle East

Dude; Here is the link to the article I posted. The " broader implications" of what I posted is that I believe Israel has the right to exist ? Too bad. Israel ( which does have Arabs) is considered " Racist" but Abbas having a NJA Policy isn't? Typical Pro- Palestinian racist double standard. " Israel proper" isn't a term I made up. It's a term others have used in referring to the 1967 Borders that the Arabs never accepted. I will ask again.... EXACTLY what are the Palestinians contributing to " negotiations?" There will not be an answer.... there never is. Pro- Palestinian are a Classic example of Bigotry, Hate, and drinking the Pro- Palestinian Kool- Aid.

Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palest... JPost - Middle East

" Free Palestine" Translation; Israel does not have the right to exist. That is why there will never be a " Palestinian State"

Free Palestinians - from Palestinians

 

[P F Tinmore]

georgephillip, et al,

This is (actually) a good question.

R...

When you say the State of Israel is a democracy, what Eastern border for the Jewish state are you assuming. If Israel encompasses all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan and there are almost a million more Arabs than Jews living there, I don't see how Jewish rule and democracy are compatible.

I see the Palestinians of today in opposition to nearly a century of "creeping annexation and transfer" policies at the hands of the Zionists.

(COMMENT)

The democratic/parliamentary aspect of Israel is based on the citizenry of Israel and not borders. As we all know, the entire issue of borders is argumentative in nature. It is exceptionally hard to discuss the topic without it disintegrating in an uncivil manner. But all throughout the lands controlled by Israel, there are citizens of the state. And they have representation in the Knesset. Thus, similar to the US/UK style of government, they are a representative-democracy. And just like in the US/UK, you only have a voice if you are a citizen; not resident aliens or other non-citizens.

Now, citizenship, like in the US/UK is not based on religious affiliation. So, there are many non-Jewish citizens of Israel.

According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, the Arab population in 2010 was estimated at 1,573,000, representing 20.4% of the country's population.[4] The majority of these identify themselves as Arab or Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship.[5][6][7]
SOURCE: Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most Respectfully,
R

The democratic/parliamentary aspect of Israel is based on the citizenry of Israel and not borders. As we all know, the entire issue of borders is argumentative in nature. It is exceptionally hard to discuss the topic without it disintegrating in an uncivil manner. But all throughout the lands controlled by Israel, there are citizens of the state.

Israel is unique in the world because it is a government with a population but no territory.

 

[proudveteran06]

Two core questions that need to be answered: what kind of state is Israel and "who are the Palestinians that state is in conflict with?"

The CounterPunch POV:

"Israel was established to be a Jewish state. Its institutions have always been shaped and constrained so as to ensure the continued existence of a Jewish majority and character.

"Passing a test of Jewishness entitles someone to Israeli citizenship regardless of where in the world she lives.

"Furthermore, her citizenship comes with a bundle of political, social and economic rights which are preferential to that of citizens who do not qualify as Jewish.

"This inbuilt discriminatory premise highlights the apartheid nature of the state. But apartheid is not an accidental feature of Israel. Its very creation involved immense injustice and suffering."

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" PALESTINE" WILL BE A NJA STATE !!!!!

Abbas vows: No room for Israelis in Palestinian state

By KHALED ABU TOAMEH

LAST UPDATED: 12/25/2010 17:33

PA president says US has failed to pressure J’lem, accuses Israel of ‘deception’ for blaming PA for impasse in talks.
Photo: AP
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced on Saturday that when a Palestinian state is established, it will have no Israelis in it.

“We have frankly said, and always will say: If there is an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, we won’t agree to the presence of one Israeli in it,” Abbas told reporters in Ramallah.

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He was commenting on unconfirmed reports suggesting that the PA leadership might agree to the presence of the IDF in the West Bank after the establishment of a Palestinian state.

“We are ready to have peace on the basis of international legitimacy and the road map, which we have accepted, as well as the Arab Peace Initiative,” Abbas said. “But when a Palestinian state is established, it would have no Israeli presence in it.”

The PA president criticized Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and accused him of placing obstacles on the road to peace.

“He who prefers settlements over peace is responsible for the obstacles to peace,” he added.

“If he really was interested in peace, he would have at least preferred peace to settlements.”

Abbas accused the Israeli government of “deception” with the purpose of blaming the Palestinians for the current impasse in the peace talks. He also criticized the US administration for failing to put pressure on Israel to stop the construction in the settlements and east Jerusalem.

“The US administration has tried to stop the settlements, but Netanyahu refused,” he said. “We know that there’s a clear American position, but these days we don’t hear it any more. We hope we will hear it in the future.”

Abbas said that the PA has presented in writing to the US its position regarding all the core issues, but has still not heard Israel’s reply.

“All the final-status issues must be solved according to international resolutions,” he said. “All these issues will be resolved at the negotiating table, and this includes the issue of the refugees, which Israel tried to get rid of, but to no avail.”


Does the Pro- Palestinian poster see anything wrong with the above? Of course not. Are there Muslims in " Israel proper?" Of course there are. Just one more example of how Pro- Palestinian posters are incapable of intelligent discussion

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas announced on Saturday that when a Palestinian state is established, it will have no Israelis in it.

There are no Palestinians in Israel either.

Is there a point here?

There are Arabs in Israel. Abbas has made it perfectly clear there will be no Jews/ Israelis in the Palestinian State. That is the difference. Do you understand now? Of course not; Anyone with the Pro- Palestinian mentality wouldn't.