What kind of person is the Corporation?

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I'm watching a movie called "the Corporation" and it sheds light about business influence on our politics, environment and psyche *sp

Can anyone explain why corporations should be considered a person with a persons rights but none of the liability?

Doesn't make sense
 
What kind of person is a Union??

The corporate kind, same as every other corporation.

In other words, a legal fiction, a contrivance.

The SCOTUS made a terible mistake granting corporations essantially the same rights as people, folks.

Its a terrible mistake if you're a conservative or a liberal.

Its a terrible mistake if you believe in government of by and for the people.

Why?

Because though the way we charter corporations democracy has become a complete joke.
 
What kind of person is a Union??

Huh?

For example there was a study done where they looked at companies for one week and in one week they found 57 corporations doing business with enemies to the U.S. including terrorist groups.

In Chochabama Bechtel privatized water, yes Water. Even rain water!

Demonstrations erupted when Aguas del Tunari imposed a large rate increase, reportedly to finance the Misicuni Dam project, a week after taking control of the Cochabamba water supply system. In a country where the minimum wage was less than US$70 per month, many dwellers were hit with monthly water bills of $20 or more.

2000 Cochabamba protests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What Happened next was worst.

State of emergencyThe Bolivian Constitution allows the President (with the support of his Cabinet) to declare a 90-day state of siege in one or more districts of the nation as an emergency measure to maintain public order in "cases of serious danger resulting from an internal civil disturbance”.[12][13] Any extension beyond 90 days must be approved of by the Congress.[13] Anyone arrested at this time must be released after 90 days unless criminal charges are brought against them before a court.[12] With the roads cut off and fearing a repeat of past uprisings, President Banzer on April 8, 2000 declared a "state of siege".[1] Banzer said, "We see it as our obligation, in the common best interest, to decree a state of emergency to protect law and order."[1][10] Information Minister Ronald McLean described the rationale for the decree, saying “We find ourselves with a country with access roads to the cities blocked, with food shortages, passengers stranded and chaos beginning to take hold in other cities.”[11] The decree suspended "some constitutional guarantees, allowing police to detain protest leaders without a warrant, restrict travel and political activity and establish a curfew."[8] Meetings of over four people were outlawed, and the freedom of the press was curtailed with radio stations being taken over by the military and some newspaper reporters being arrested.[10] The police moved in to enforce the policy with nighttime raids and mass arrests.[2][8] At one point 20 labor union and civic leaders were arrested.[8] The police's tear gas and rubber bullets were met by the protesters' rocks and Molotov cocktails.[11] Continuing violent clashes between the demonstrators and law enforcement led to internal exile, 40 injuries, and five deaths.[2][8] International Human Rights Organizations decried the "state of siege" declaration.[12][14] This was the seventh time since Bolivia returned to democracy in 1982 that the "state of siege" decree had been employed.[11]

On April 9, 2000, near the city of Achacachi, soldiers met resistance to removing a roadblock and opened fire, killing two people (including a teen-age boy) and wounding several others. Angry residents overpowered soldiers and used their weapons against military leaders. They wounded Battalion commander Armando Carrasco Nava and army captain Omar Jesus Tellez Arancibia. The demonstrators then found Tellez in hospital, dragged him from his bed, beat him to death and dismembered his body.[15]

Also on 9 April 2000, 800 striking police officers fired tear gas at soldiers (to which the soldiers then fired their weapons in the air).[15] In response the government gave a 50% pay raise to the La Paz police to end the strike. This brought their monthly income up from the equivalent of $80 to $120.[15] The police then returned to enforcement procedures against those still demonstrating.[15] A group of soldiers soon demanded their own raise, declaring that there was racial discrimination in the pay scale. Police in Santa Cruz, the nation's second largest city, also went on strike demanding a raise.[15]
 
What kind of person is a Union??

The corporate kind, same as every other corporation.

In other words, a legal fiction, a contrivance.

The SCOTUS made a terible mistake granting corporations essantially the same rights as people, folks.

Its a terrible mistake if you're a conservative or a liberal.

Its a terrible mistake if you believe in government of by and for the people.

Why?

Because though the way we charter corporations democracy has become a complete joke.

I'd ask you to explain why you think giving associations of people some of the same rights as people is a bad idea. But you'd screw that up too.
I thought libs were in favor of free speech. Who knew?
 
I'm watching a movie called "the Corporation" and it sheds light about business influence on our politics, environment and psyche *sp

Can anyone explain why corporations should be considered a person with a persons rights but none of the liability?

Doesn't make sense

Take the reason you think it's OK for a union to have the same rights as a person.

then replace union with corporation, and you have answered your own question.
 
What kind of person is a Union??

The corporate kind, same as every other corporation.

In other words, a legal fiction, a contrivance.

The SCOTUS made a terible mistake granting corporations essantially the same rights as people, folks.

Its a terrible mistake if you're a conservative or a liberal.

Its a terrible mistake if you believe in government of by and for the people.

Why?

Because though the way we charter corporations democracy has become a complete joke.

I'd ask you to explain why you think giving associations of people some of the same rights as people is a bad idea. But you'd screw that up too.
I thought libs were in favor of free speech. Who knew?
Actually, he's right.

The incorporated states, incorporated cities and the District of Columbia Corporation are the same legal fiction "persons".
 
Unions shouldn't have the same rights as a person. Everyone knows that a corporations only objective is to make a profit. They let other ppl (govt) deal with the problems that occur from "making money". I think the term is externality
 
The corporate kind, same as every other corporation.

In other words, a legal fiction, a contrivance.

The SCOTUS made a terible mistake granting corporations essantially the same rights as people, folks.

Its a terrible mistake if you're a conservative or a liberal.

Its a terrible mistake if you believe in government of by and for the people.

Why?

Because though the way we charter corporations democracy has become a complete joke.

I'd ask you to explain why you think giving associations of people some of the same rights as people is a bad idea. But you'd screw that up too.
I thought libs were in favor of free speech. Who knew?
Actually, he's right.

The incorporated states, incorporated cities and the District of Columbia Corporation are the same legal fiction "persons".

Incorporated states and cities were formed for the public good and had strick restrictions on how the directors were chosen, how much they made and where they were planning to operate. These transnational corps are a beast that consumes at every turn.
 
Your *opinion* as to why cities and states have incorporated is entirely irrelevant to the fact that they are indeed corporate legal fictions.

BTW, corporate entities in the private sector are consecrated and chartered by federal and state corporations....You want to limit the powers and immunities extended to those corporations, you'll have to rein in and limit those extending those benefits.
 
Corporations are not people. They are legal entities. There is a difference.

Corporate personhood - Definition

Corporate personhood is a term used to describe the legal fiction used within United States law that a corporation has a limited number or subset of the same constitutional rights as does a human being. The choice of the word "person" in "personhood" arises from the way the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution was worded and from earlier legal usage of the word "person."

Corporations as legal entities have always been able to perform commercial actitivies similar to the activities which a person acting as a sole proprietor would be able to do such as entering into contracts or owning property. Therefore corporations have always had some limited amount of "personhood" which was necessary in order for corporations to conduct business while shielding stockholders from financial risk to personal assets which were not invested in the corporation.

The stronger concept of corporate personhood is usually traced to the 1886 U.S. Supreme Court case Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company (118 U.S. 394). Corporations, being state charted entities, were and are regulated by the state in which they were created (incorporated) and the state(s) in which they operate and much of contract law is actually state law and English Common Law. This is why most legal agreements have a clause in them saying under which state's laws and jurisdiction will the agreement be litigated if such litigation should become necessary. With Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company, corporations gained some degree of protection from arbitrary state action.

Immie
 
Your *opinion* as to why cities and states have incorporated is entirely irrelevant to the fact that they are indeed corporate legal fictions.

BTW, corporate entities in the private sector are consecrated and chartered by federal and state corporations....You want to limit the powers and immunities extended to those corporations, you'll have to rein in and limit those extending those benefits.

I agree with that but the problem is that these same corporations that are given charter are giving money to pols to make that happen. So it's a big money circle that citizens like you and I couldnt possibly stop them if money talks.

If you agree that the corporations only wants to make money morals dont play a part. Are all companies bad? No. But when your bottom line and only loyalty is to make more money, it's impossible for these corps to be loyal to anything or anyone else unless they CHOOSE to do so.
 

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