What Is American Socialism, Communism, and Marxism: Open Q&A

[Red Front]

You guys are going to do Communism right this time! I know it!

Well we have to, due to advanced technology.

 

[Red Front]

Yes, leftism clearly would fall apart if it wasn't sold with lies

How so?

 

[kaz]

How so?

Well, do the Democrats admit they have open borders, don't prosecute criminals but we do go after crime victims, Biden did all the things they are going after Trump for, their endless printing money is what's rocketing inflation, that if we actually cared about green we'd be highlighting China not the US? Is there any policy the left is honest about? I know of none. The Republicans are a mixed bag, but the left lies about EVERYTHING and they have to or no one would support them except rightwinger

 

[Red Front]

Interviewer: The Soviets use the phase, “ideological subversion”. What do they mean by that?


Bezmenov: Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate overt and open. You can see it with your own eyes. All you have to do, all the American mass media has to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears, open up their eyes and they can see. There’s no mystery. There’s nothing to do with espionage. I know espionage intelligence gathering looks more romantic, it sells more deodorants through their advertising, probably. That’s why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond type of thrillers. But in reality, the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all! According to my opinion, and the opinion of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures, (2 Russian words, активные something, I couldn’t catch it) in the language of the KGB, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is, to change the perception of reality of every American to such as extent that in spite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community and their country.

It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages, the first one being demoralization. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which is required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of your enemy. In other words, Marxism / Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism.

The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already, for the last 25 years, actually it’s over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where previously not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such a tremendous success. Most of it is being done by Americans to Americans thanks to a lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter any more. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures, even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him a concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it until he’s going to receive a kick in his fat bottom. When a military boot crushes his balls, then he will understand, but not before that. That’s the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.



And here we are today....

That's cold war propaganda. Full of half-truths and even complete fabrications. Hear what these former CIA officers have to say about creating false propaganda against communists:

Harpal Brar interviewed about the history of Soviet communism

Harpal Brar, chair of the Communist Party of Great Britain-ML

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Death toll arguments don't work, because capitalism doesn't have the moral high ground when it comes to death and destruction.

 

[SeaMajor7]

That's cold war propaganda. Full of half-truths and even complete fabrications. Here what these former CIA officers have to say about creating false propaganda against communists:

Here are some communist responses:



Harpal Brar interviewed about the history of Soviet communism
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Death toll arguments don't work, because capitalism doesn't have the moral high ground when it comes to death and destruction.

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LOL, YOU are Exhibit A of the results of what Yuri accurately described.

 

[Red Front]

Well, do the Democrats admit they have open borders, don't prosecute criminals but we do go after crime victims, Biden did all the things they are going after Trump for, their endless printing money is what's rocketing inflation, that if we actually cared about green we'd be highlighting China not the US? Is there any policy the left is honest about? I know of none. The Republicans are a mixed bag, but the left lies about EVERYTHING and they have to or no one would support them except rightwinger

Kaz, I don't blame you for believing what you just wrote, because there are a lot of misconceptions in this country about socialism and Marxism. You mentioned a number of points of contention with the right which I will try my best to address.

First, let's clarify the fact, that American liberals aren't really socialists, much less communists. With very few exceptions, there aren't any genuine Marxists serving in our government. As an American Marxist and communist, I'm completely against open borders, or not enforcing our immigration laws. The resources of our country belong to the citizens of the United States of America, not to Central and South America or anyone else.

The US has every right to protect its border and I will even go further and say that if Mexico doesn't get its act together, in the way it's handling its drug-cartel crisis, the United States should get involved in the Mexican government's effort to fight the cartels. If Mexico refuses to allow the United States to take action in Mexico, against the drug-cartels, that are now as powerful, as the Mexican military, then we should declare war on Mexico and fix it (clean their house, because their cockroaches and bed bug infestation are coming into our house). That's the true American communist patriot position on this issue.

In the Red Front, we are for deporting illegal immigrants and also for lifting all economic sanctions currently being imposed on Latin American countries. Our foreign policy towards Latin America is one of non-interference. Let me give you an example of how our current foreign policy towards Latin America, increases illegal immigration.

Here we have Bukele, the President of El Salvador, essentially saving his country, from the devastating scourge of street gangs (terrorists):

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Bukele has a 90%+ approval rating in El Salvador. However, the Western media, along with some politicians, are against Bukele's anti-crime campaign, despite the fact that El Salvador has cut crime by 80%+ in the last year. He's cleaning house, and improving the lives of his people. Happy Salvadoreans, living well in their own country, don't leave and come to our country. They stay over there.

There are some elements in our wealthy, American ruling class that profit from desperate, poor, Latin American labor. They want to maintain the status quo in Latin America, in order to afford themselves access to dirt cheap labor. If Latin American countries lift themselves up economically, improving the lives of their people, that new "middle-class", isn't going to accept starvation wages from their American or European employers. They will demand higher wages, with benefits. That's what a strong, robust labor market does. They're not desperate for a job, accepting whatever employers offer them, even poverty wages.

This is one of several reasons why we see the Western media and some Western politicians in Europe and the US, condemning Bukele for his efforts to rid his country of the chaos caused by what amounts to street-terrorists. The Red Front supports Bukele in his fight against El Salvador's murderous street gangs. We also support the "extermination" of Mexico's drug cartels, through the strong arm of the US Military. Lastly, with respect to illegal immigration, we also support the deployment of the US military on our southern border, to stop all illegal immigration.

This post is getting really long. As far as supporting law enforcement. We believe in funding the police, not defunding it. We also assert that drug dealers should be charged with a capital crime and executed. Whoever is selling our people (our sons and daughters), drugs like Fentanyl, should be charged with 1st-degree murder and put in front of a firing squad.


We should also force all homeless drug-addicts into rehab camps as Trump proposes here:

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We stand with Trump on this issue. We must apply tough love to our sons and daughters who are destroying their lives and communities with their drug addictions. All homeless drug addicts must be adjudicated and sent to rehab, and when they're released clean and sober, they will be housed. Housing, healthcare and job training, along with employment opportunities. We will help them get back on their feet. I will continue answering more of the issues raised by kaz later, in another post.

 

[kaz]

Kaz, I don't blame you for believing what you just wrote, because there are a lot of misconceptions in this country about socialism and Marxism. You mentioned a number of points of contention with the right which I will try my best to address.

First, let's clarify the fact, that American liberals aren't really socialists, much less communists. With very few exceptions, there aren't any genuine Marxists serving in our government. As an American Marxist and communist, I'm completely against open borders, or not enforcing our immigration laws. The resources of our country belong to the citizens of the United States of America, not to Central and South America or anyone else.

The US has every right to protect its border and I will even go further and say that if Mexico doesn't get its act together, in the way it's handling its drug-cartel crisis, the United States should get involved in the Mexican government's effort to fight the cartels. If Mexico refuses to allow the United States to take action in Mexico, against the drug-cartels, that are now as powerful, as the Mexican military, then we should declare war on Mexico and fix it (clean their house, because their cockroaches and bed bug infestation are coming into our house). That's the true American communist patriot position on this issue.

In the Red Front, we are for deporting illegal immigrants and also for lifting all economic sanctions currently being imposed on Latin American countries. Our foreign policy towards Latin America is one of non-interference. Let me give you an example of how our current foreign policy towards Latin America, increases illegal immigration.

Here we have Bukele, the President of El Salvador, essentially saving his country, from the devastating scourge of street gangs (terrorists):

​

Bukele has a 90%+ approval rating in El Salvador. However, the Western media, along with some politicians, are against Bukele's anti-crime campaign, despite the fact that El Salvador has cut crime by 80%+ in the last year. He's cleaning house, and improving the lives of his people. Happy Salvadoreans, living well in their own country, don't leave and come to our country. They stay over there.

There are some elements in our wealthy, American ruling class that profit from desperate, poor, Latin American labor. They want to maintain the status quo in Latin America, in order to afford themselves access to dirt cheap labor. If Latin American countries lift themselves up economically, improving the lives of their people, that new "middle-class", isn't going to accept starvation wages from their American or European employers. They will demand higher wages, with benefits. That's what a strong, robust labor market does. They're not desperate for a job, accepting whatever employers offer them, even poverty wages.

This is one of several reasons why we see the Western media and some Western politicians in Europe and the US, condemning Bukele for his efforts to rid his country of the chaos caused by what amounts to street-terrorists. The Red Front supports Bukele in his fight against El Salvador's murderous street gangs. We also support the "extermination" of Mexico's drug cartels, through the strong arm of the US Military. Lastly, with respect to illegal immigration, we also support the deployment of the US military on our southern border, to stop all illegal immigration.

This post is getting really long. As far as supporting law enforcement. We believe in funding the police, not defunding it. We also assert that drug dealers should be charged with a capital crime and executed. Whoever is selling our people (our sons and daughters), drugs like Fentanyl, should be charged with 1st-degree murder and put in front of a firing squad.


We should also force all homeless drug-addicts into rehab camps as Trump proposes here:

​

We stand with Trump on this issue. We must apply tough love to our sons and daughters who are destroying their lives and communities with their drug addictions. All homeless drug addicts must be adjudicated and sent to rehab, and when they're released clean and sober, they will be housed. Housing, healthcare and job training, along with employment opportunities. We will help them get back on their feet. I will continue answering more of the issues raised by kaz later, in another post.

That Democrats don't call themselves socialists or Marxists doesn't prove that they aren't when their policies say they are. They are clearly socialist economically as government controls more and more of our economic decisions, and they are eliminating free and fair elections and are well on the way to Marxist where the Politburo of Democrat Party leaders makes all our decisions. Nancy Pelosi and her husband just openly insider traded and there wasn't a damn thing those of us who still believe in capitalism could do about it.


BTW, Marxism and Communism are the same thing. Socialism is an economic system and Marxism is a political system, but one always leads to the other

 

[Red Front]

LOL, YOU are Exhibit A of the results of what Yuri accurately described.

You're "exhibit A" of the Cold War red scare propaganda. McCarthyism. Of course, there were people like Yuri who "defected", leaving the USSR, but they made a good living talking crap about communists. A lot of what we hear about communism in the West comes to us through a tight filter of capitalist lies. Are communists perfect? No, far from it, but much of the scary Cold War campfire stories about communists are often gross exaggerations, half-truths, and even outright fabrications.

 

[kaz]

ibit A" of the Cold War red scare propaganda. McCarthyism. Of course, there were people like Yuri who "defected", leaving the USSR, but they made a good living talking crap about communists. A lot of what we hear about communism in the West comes to us through a tight filter of capitalist lies. Are communists perfect? No, far from it, but much of the scary Cold War campfire stories about communists are often gross exaggerations, half-truths, and even outright fabrications.

Yeah! I mean how many millions of people did Soviets actually kill? The Chinese Communists? The Cubans, the Vietnamese? I mean it was like only a hundred million, not the crazy numbers you constantly hear!

 

[SeaMajor7]

You're "exhibit A" of the Cold War red scare propaganda. McCarthyism. Of course, there were people like Yuri who "defected", leaving the USSR, but they made a good living talking crap about communists. A lot of what we hear about communism in the West comes to us through a tight filter of capitalist lies. Are communists perfect? No, far from it, but much of the scary Cold War campfire stories about communists are often gross exaggerations, half-truths, and even outright fabrications.

This actually happened, and YOU are the result, just like the rest of the demented avenger subverted demoralized ZOMBIES:

It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages, the first one being demoralization. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which is required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of your enemy. In other words, Marxism / Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism.

 

[kaz]

This actually happened, and YOU are the result, just like the rest of the demented avenger subverted demoralized ZOMBIES:

It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages, the first one being demoralization. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which is required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of your enemy. In other words, Marxism / Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism.

I addressed that earlier when I said Red Front is going to do Communism right this time. No, it never worked before, but this time it will!!!!!

 

[Red Front]

That Democrats don't call themselves socialists or Marxists doesn't prove that they aren't when their policies say they are. They are clearly socialist economically as government controls more and more of our economic decisions, and they are eliminating free and fair elections and are well on the way to Marxist where the Politburo of Democrat Party leaders makes all our decisions. Nancy Pelosi and her husband just openly insider traded and there wasn't a damn thing those of us who still believe in capitalism could do about it.


BTW, Marxism and Communism are the same thing. Socialism is an economic system and Marxism is a political system, but one always leads to the other

Socialism is a stage in the process that leads to communism. Marxism, with its materialist, historical dialectic, explains the history of economics or human production and how it has led to its present state of capitalism. Marx critiqued capitalism, explaining how it functions and how to replace it with socialism, which according to Marx is the natural successor of capitalism.

The American democratic party isn't socialist. A Marxist would never pass the policies Democrats support today. Liberals are Marxists. Are you saying that Western Europe is communist? All of those policies that you identify as being "communist" are prevalent in Western Europe. Most of the members of the American democratic party are against universal healthcare, tuition-free college, and vocational training, they're against housing all of the homeless and recognizing people's human right to housing and a job.

As Marxists living in a capitalist economy, we believe the government should provide all Americans with a job guarantee. If you can't find a job in the private sector, for whatever reason, you should be able to secure one in the public sector. Hardly any Democrats support full-employment policies. I can go down a long list of reasons why the American democratic party isn't socialist at all. It's a liberal, capitalist-supporting party, that has nothing to do with socialism or its final objective, communism.

 

[Red Front]

This actually happened, and YOU are the result, just like the rest of the demented avenger subverted demoralized ZOMBIES:

It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages, the first one being demoralization. It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which is required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of your enemy. In other words, Marxism / Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generations of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism.

You're just spewing Cold War poop propaganda. You were raised in the Cold War, eating all of that capitalist captain crunch cereal.

 

[Donald H]

We stand with Trump on this issue. We must apply tough love to our sons and daughters who are destroying their lives and communities with their drug addictions. All homeless drug addicts must be adjudicated and sent to rehab, and when they're released clean and sober, they will be housed. Housing, healthcare and job training, along with employment opportunities. We will help them get back on their feet. I will continue answering more of the issues raised by kaz later, in another post.

You're moving too fast and so I'm lost as to what issue to address. Perhaps we can have a discussion on your views of socialism.

From a Canadian POV, you're supporting too much fascism. The statement you make with the assault rifle as your signature indicates to me that it's going to be difficult to talk about socialism and socially responsible government.

And fwiw, you've skipped over mentioning the endemic racism in America that is at the root of all the problems with government today.

However, when we find an issue to talk about I think we both can learn from each other.

Your comments have been very interesting and you come across as educated on politics and looking for answers for your country!

 

[Red Front]

I addressed that earlier when I said Red Front is going to do Communism right this time. No, it never worked before, but this time it will!!!!!

Socialism is working now. You're contradicting yourself, saying that the democrats are "socialists" or commies, for supporting government policies that are common in Western Europe. Communism is the objective of socialism, and it is defined as a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money. There has never been a truly communist state, but rather a socialist one. The USSR for example was the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. Do you see the word "communist" there?

Socialism is what allows capitalism to continue functioning without collapsing on itself. Every few years, the government has to step in and bail out the capitalist with public funds. Without that government intervention, the economy would crumble, causing an immense amount of harm.

 

[kaz]

Socialism is a stage in the process that leads to communism. Marxism, with its materialist, historical dialectic, explains the history of economics or human production and how it has led to its present state of capitalism. Marx critiqued capitalism, explaining how it functions and how to replace it with socialism, which according to Marx is the natural successor of capitalism.

The American democratic party isn't socialist. A Marxist would never pass the policies Democrats support today. Liberals are Marxists. Are you saying that Western Europe is communist? All of those policies that you identify as being "communist" are prevalent in Western Europe. Most of the members of the American democratic party are against universal healthcare, tuition-free college, and vocational training, they're against housing all of the homeless and recognizing people's human right to housing and a job.

As Marxists living in a capitalist economy, we believe the government should provide all Americans with a job guarantee. If you can't find a job in the private sector, for whatever reason, you should be able to secure one in the public sector. Hardly any Democrats support full-employment policies. I can go down a long list of reasons why the American democratic party isn't socialist at all. It's a liberal, capitalist-supporting party, that has nothing to do with socialism or its final objective, communism.

Cool story if you weren't making up your own definitions for those words. And what you are calling capitalism is also a form of socialism. In capitalism, consumers control the market. Oligarchs doing it through government is straight up sociallism. And again, socialism is an ECONOMIC system and Marxism is a political system.

How you get that Marxism and communism aren't synonyms when Marx wrote the COMMUNIST MANIFESTO defining communism is a real head scratcher

 

[Donald H]

Socialism is a stage in the process that leads to communism.

Now there's something that makes a point worthy of discussion.

No it isn't!

 

[kaz]

Socialism is working now

 

[SeaMajor7]

You're just spewing Cold War poop propaganda. You were raised in the Cold War, eating all of that capitalist captain crunch cereal.

Right, and the Marxists scrambled your eggs.

btw, McCarthy was right....

 

[BluesLegend]

Stop focusing on the label. It's simply parasite losers who spend every waking moment trying to take YOUR money and put it into their own pockets. I don't care what label is used to describe them. It's just another form of slavery, you are owned by government who takes a huge chunk of YOUR money and gifts it to themselves. They keep part of it and buy votes with the rest.