What happens in a US debt default?

Deficit spending has NEVER, EVER harmed our economy.


100% idiotic and liberal of course.
1) Taxing the economy to pay for deficits slows down the economy
2) govt spending wastes resources since they are others peoples resources. There are no consequences from wasting other peoples money.

A liberal lacks the IQ to understand.
 
I will say once again...
I have no doubt the Democrats at some point will demand the nationalization of our private
retirement accounts....

There is way too much money that these bastards don't control.
Most folks nearing retirement have to have nearly $200k in IRA's,401 k plans or a combination of the both....

Democrats see the private sector taking a distribution of thousands during the year leaving the rest in
the account...
Dems have to be getting hard ons over the fact that there's a whole lot of money just sitting around waiting for them.

I agree. This is the "next step". But, I don't think it will just be the Dems trying to get their claws on that money.

Mark
 
What are the consequences of a US default?

No one really knows exactly what would happen, but the likelihood is that markets around the world would plunge and global interest rates would rise.

This is because if the US government could not repay the money it owed bondholders, the value of the bonds would decrease. And the yield - the return the government pays to an investor - would rise. This is because it would be perceived as a less safe investment.

This would prompt interest rates around the world, which are often tied to those of US Treasuries, to spike.

Furthermore, the impact on the US's creditors could be dire. Japan, for instance, owns about $1.14 trillion of US debt - which is equivalent to 20% of its annual economic output.

In the US, Goldman Sachs estimates that $175bn would immediately be withdrawn from the US economy and it could lead to a very deep recession.


BBC News - What happens in a US debt default


How does a nation that prints it's own money, default? lol

No, The United States Will Not Go Into A Debt Crisis, Not Now, Not Ever

The reason why it’s not true is because we live in a fiat currency system, where the United States government can create an infinite number of dollars at no cost to meet its obligations. A Treasury bill is a promise that the government will give you US dollars–something that the United States government can produce infinitely and at no cost.

That’s the reason why interest rates on United States debt have only gone down even as the debt has ballooned. That’s the reason why Great Britain has very low rates on its debt despite having very high debt-to-GDP. That’s the reason why Japan has an astounding debt-to-GDP ratio and still enjoys some of the lowest rates ever. Investors have bet for so long that there would be a run on Japanese debt and have ended up so ruined that in financial circles that trade is called “the Widowmaker”


No The United States Will Not Go Into A Debt Crisis Not Now Not Ever - Forbes

Hmm. How does a nation that prints its own money default? Maybe you could ask Russia, Germany, Argentina and Zimbabwe?

I am fairly certain no one was printing their money for them either.

Mark

They the worlds currency? Oil tied to them? lol

NOW think what happened with them???
 
I will say once again...
I have no doubt the Democrats at some point will demand the nationalization of our private
retirement accounts....

There is way too much money that these bastards don't control.
Most folks nearing retirement have to have nearly $200k in IRA's,401 k plans or a combination of the both....

Democrats see the private sector taking a distribution of thousands during the year leaving the rest in
the account...
Dems have to be getting hard ons over the fact that there's a whole lot of money just sitting around waiting for them.

"Most folks nearing retirement have to have nearly $200k in IRA's,401 k plans or a combination of the both...."

What world do YOU live in???


The average working household has virtually no retirement savings. When all households are included— not just households with retirement accounts—the median retirement account balance is $3,000 for all working-age households and $12,000 for near-retirement households.


The findings confirm that the American Dream of retiring comfortably after a lifetime of work will be impossible for many. Based on 401(k)–type account and IRA balances alone, some 92 percent of working households do not meet conservative retirement savings targets for their age and income. Even when counting their entire net worth, 65 percent still fall short.

National Institute on Retirement - The Retirement Savings Crisis Is It Worse Than We Think

Yeah, it's the Dems who are bad with money *shaking head*

Amnesia about Ronnie tripling US debt and both Bush's doubling it?
 
You mean with voodoo economics like cutting taxes and expecting more revenues? lol

dear, the more you cut govt the more the private sector can grow( becuase you're not sucking money out of it) and the bigger the tax base is.

Do you understand?

Weird, compare Clinton's growth to Ronnie or both Bush's. Oops


You are just a simpleton Bubba. Grow a brain or just have a heart attack already!
 
What are the consequences of a US default?

No one really knows exactly what would happen, but the likelihood is that markets around the world would plunge and global interest rates would rise.

This is because if the US government could not repay the money it owed bondholders, the value of the bonds would decrease. And the yield - the return the government pays to an investor - would rise. This is because it would be perceived as a less safe investment.

This would prompt interest rates around the world, which are often tied to those of US Treasuries, to spike.

Furthermore, the impact on the US's creditors could be dire. Japan, for instance, owns about $1.14 trillion of US debt - which is equivalent to 20% of its annual economic output.

In the US, Goldman Sachs estimates that $175bn would immediately be withdrawn from the US economy and it could lead to a very deep recession.


BBC News - What happens in a US debt default


I just got this on Drudge....

Paying Down The Debt Is Now Almost Mathematically Impossible Zero Hedge


Remember Greenspan going in front of a GOP Congress saying sticking to Clinton (D) policies would pay down the debt to fast, to win Dubya's tax cuts? How silly does that sound today?


BTW, DEBT BY ITSELF ISN'T BAD
 
The US paid off its debt just once in our history and that under a Democratic president. Anyone want to guess the result of that payoff?


A senator rose to make the big announcement: "Gentlemen ... the national debt ... is PAID."

That was the one time in U.S. history when the country was debt free. It lasted exactly one year.

By 1837, the country would be in panic and headed into a massive depression. We'll get to that, but first let's figure out how Andrew Jackson did the impossible.

It helps to remember that debt was always a choice for America. After the revolution, the founding fathers debated whether or not to just wipe clean all those financial promises made during the war.

Deciding to default "would have ruined our credit and would have left the economy on a very agricultural, subsistence basis," says Robert E. Wright, a professor at Augustana College in South Dakota.

So the U.S. agreed early on to consolidate the debts of all the states — $75 million.

During the good times, the country tried to pay down the debt. Then there would be another war, and the debt would go up again. The politicians never liked the debt.

"What the battle was really about was how quickly to pay off the national debt, not whether to pay it off or not," Wright says.

But, just like today, it wasn't easy for politicians to slash spending — until Andrew Jackson came along.


...So Jackson decided to pay off the debt.
To do that, he took advantage of a huge real-estate bubble that was raging in the Western U.S. The federal government owned a lot of Western land — and Jackson started selling it off.

He was also ruthless on the budget. He blocked every spending bill he could.

"He vetoed, for example, programs to build national highways," Brands says. "He considered these to be unconstitutional in the first place, but bad policy in the second place."

When Jackson took office, the national debt was about $58 million. Six years later, it was all gone. Paid off. And the government was actually running a surplus, taking in more money than it was spending.

That created a new problem: What to do with all that surplus money?

Jackson had already killed off the national bank (which he hated more than debt). So he couldn't put the money there. He decided to divide the money among the states.

But, according to economic historian John Steele Gordon, the party didn't last for long.

The state banks went a little crazy. They were printing massive amounts of money. The land bubble was out of control.


Andrew Jackson tried to slow everything down by requiring that all government land sales needed to be done with gold or silver. Bad idea.

"It was a huge crash, and the beginning of the longest depression in American history," Gordon says. "It actually lasted six years before the economy began to grow again."


When The U.S. Paid Off The Entire National Debt And Why It Didn t Last Planet Money NPR
 
What are the consequences of a US default?

No one really knows exactly what would happen, but the likelihood is that markets around the world would plunge and global interest rates would rise.

This is because if the US government could not repay the money it owed bondholders, the value of the bonds would decrease. And the yield - the return the government pays to an investor - would rise. This is because it would be perceived as a less safe investment.

This would prompt interest rates around the world, which are often tied to those of US Treasuries, to spike.

Furthermore, the impact on the US's creditors could be dire. Japan, for instance, owns about $1.14 trillion of US debt - which is equivalent to 20% of its annual economic output.

In the US, Goldman Sachs estimates that $175bn would immediately be withdrawn from the US economy and it could lead to a very deep recession.


BBC News - What happens in a US debt default
It would be highly unlikely that the U.S. would default in the sense that we'd declare bankruptcy. Our currency, even though it's not backed by anything other than the words "United States of America", is the world benchmark by which other currencies are indexed and valued. Also, technically, we're already in default and bankrupt. Some economists have stated that our actual debt obligations exceed $200Trillion. That figure is difficult to comprehend, but close to accurate. There's no way we could pay down a debt of that size. It's estimated that it'll take many decades to pay down the government generated and publicized $18Trillion presently on the books. Also, another reason given that would keep us from going into a debt default, is our military power and the ones that heavily depend on it around the world. We would either experience debt forgiveness, or financial assistance from our many allies. Considering our economic outlook, and our ease and habit of borrowing, we haven't seen the astronomical limits of our debt yet. Also, we have one of the world's largest consumer bases. With over 300 million population, world economies depend on us to consume their goods. this would further guarantee loans from outside. If we fall, the domino effect will kick in, and world economic chaos would follow. Yes, at some point in the distant future, it is possible that we'll no longer be the world's benchmark and economic center. We may not even be the world military super power. The world is dependent on us just as much as we're dependent on the rest of the world. The global economy has intertwined almost every nation on Earth. We're all co-dependent. In my opinion, too many "IF's" would have to happen before we actually defaulted, or considered by other nation to be in default. Yes, it's possible, but highly unlikely in the near future, especially considering the world dependency and status of being "The Benchmark".
 
Obama has twice now threatened us seniors with starvation and destitution by withholding their Social Security checks unless he got his way on the budget

Oh you mean that thing conservatives fought since day one and brought to US by the Dems???





Don't ya just love hypocrisy ?. Ole Frank hates the government as much as anyone on here. Yet don't fuck with his Social Security. He's gonna cry like a baby if he don't get his check.
 
What are the consequences of a US default?

No one really knows exactly what would happen, but the likelihood is that markets around the world would plunge and global interest rates would rise.

This is because if the US government could not repay the money it owed bondholders, the value of the bonds would decrease. And the yield - the return the government pays to an investor - would rise. This is because it would be perceived as a less safe investment.

This would prompt interest rates around the world, which are often tied to those of US Treasuries, to spike.

Furthermore, the impact on the US's creditors could be dire. Japan, for instance, owns about $1.14 trillion of US debt - which is equivalent to 20% of its annual economic output.

In the US, Goldman Sachs estimates that $175bn would immediately be withdrawn from the US economy and it could lead to a very deep recession.


BBC News - What happens in a US debt default
It would be highly unlikely that the U.S. would default in the sense that we'd declare bankruptcy. Our currency, even though it's not backed by anything other than the words "United States of America", is the world benchmark by which other currencies are indexed and valued. Also, technically, we're already in default and bankrupt. Some economists have stated that our actual debt obligations exceed $200Trillion. That figure is difficult to comprehend, but close to accurate. There's no way we could pay down a debt of that size. It's estimated that it'll take many decades to pay down the government generated and publicized $18Trillion presently on the books. Also, another reason given that would keep us from going into a debt default, is our military power and the ones that heavily depend on it around the world. We would either experience debt forgiveness, or financial assistance from our many allies. Considering our economic outlook, and our ease and habit of borrowing, we haven't seen the astronomical limits of our debt yet. Also, we have one of the world's largest consumer bases. With over 300 million population, world economies depend on us to consume their goods. this would further guarantee loans from outside. If we fall, the domino effect will kick in, and world economic chaos would follow. Yes, at some point in the distant future, it is possible that we'll no longer be the world's benchmark and economic center. We may not even be the world military super power. The world is dependent on us just as much as we're dependent on the rest of the world. The global economy has intertwined almost every nation on Earth. We're all co-dependent. In my opinion, too many "IF's" would have to happen before we actually defaulted, or considered by other nation to be in default. Yes, it's possible, but highly unlikely in the near future, especially considering the world dependency and status of being "The Benchmark".

$200 trillion FUTURE obligations (40-50 years). But good post
 
The people who say the US will "never" default because the Fed can print money totally miss the point.

What happens if the Fed chooses not to print money?

The United States can also default by institutional paralysis or by choice.

The odds of default are probably slightly above 0%. But they aren't 0%.

What would happen if the US defaulted? It depends. When it looked like the US might default when the government shut down in August 2011, interest rates Treasury securities went down because investors bought them, fearing that the sell-off in other securities would be much worse.

If the market thought the default would be temporary, then not much might happen. But if it dragged on for awhile, it would most likely cause a recession and a stock market collapse.
 
Don't ya just love hypocrisy ?. Ole Frank hates the government as much as anyone on here. Yet don't fuck with his Social Security. He's gonna cry like a baby if he don't get his check.

too stupid and liberal of course. Everyone is entitled to their share of the waste but this does not mean they support SS which is a wasteful, idiotic and liberal program that impoverishes most Americans by stealing 15% of their life time income and giving them back dog food money if they live long enough to collect a penny.
 
True, GOP's Corp welfare is harmful to US
stupid liberal lie which is why you were afraid to give best example. What does your fear teach you?

The latest example was the GOP Corp welfare was including Wall Streets 'sweet heart deal' in the CRomnibus spending bill Bubba. You know allowing them to bet with US backing on derivatives?

More:

Republicans Starve The Poor While Handing $20 Billion to Corporate Welfare Bums
Republicans Starve The Poor While Handing 20 Billion to Corporate Welfare Bums


Ten Examples of Welfare for the Rich and Corporations

Ten Examples of Welfare for the Rich and Corporations Bill Quigley
 
True, GOP's Corp welfare is harmful to US
stupid liberal lie which is why you were afraid to give best example. What does your fear teach you?

The latest example was the GOP Corp welfare was including Wall Streets 'sweet heart deal' in the CRomnibus spending bill Bubba. You know allowing them to bet with US backing on derivatives?

More:

Republicans Starve The Poor While Handing $20 Billion to Corporate Welfare Bums
Republicans Starve The Poor While Handing 20 Billion to Corporate Welfare Bums


Ten Examples of Welfare for the Rich and Corporations

Ten Examples of Welfare for the Rich and Corporations Bill Quigley

dear give your best example of corporate welfare or admit to being a typical liberal idiot!
No big print or links either you complet idiot. You've learned that 100 times!

Why does it matter anyway since those of us who support capitalism and freedom are opposed to welfare anyway?
 
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What are the consequences of a US default?

No one really knows exactly what would happen, but the likelihood is that markets around the world would plunge and global interest rates would rise.

This is because if the US government could not repay the money it owed bondholders, the value of the bonds would decrease. And the yield - the return the government pays to an investor - would rise. This is because it would be perceived as a less safe investment.

This would prompt interest rates around the world, which are often tied to those of US Treasuries, to spike.

Furthermore, the impact on the US's creditors could be dire. Japan, for instance, owns about $1.14 trillion of US debt - which is equivalent to 20% of its annual economic output.

In the US, Goldman Sachs estimates that $175bn would immediately be withdrawn from the US economy and it could lead to a very deep recession.


BBC News - What happens in a US debt default


How does a nation that prints it's own money, default? lol

No, The United States Will Not Go Into A Debt Crisis, Not Now, Not Ever

The reason why it’s not true is because we live in a fiat currency system, where the United States government can create an infinite number of dollars at no cost to meet its obligations. A Treasury bill is a promise that the government will give you US dollars–something that the United States government can produce infinitely and at no cost.

That’s the reason why interest rates on United States debt have only gone down even as the debt has ballooned. That’s the reason why Great Britain has very low rates on its debt despite having very high debt-to-GDP. That’s the reason why Japan has an astounding debt-to-GDP ratio and still enjoys some of the lowest rates ever. Investors have bet for so long that there would be a run on Japanese debt and have ended up so ruined that in financial circles that trade is called “the Widowmaker”


No The United States Will Not Go Into A Debt Crisis Not Now Not Ever - Forbes

Hmm. How does a nation that prints its own money default? Maybe you could ask Russia, Germany, Argentina and Zimbabwe?

I am fairly certain no one was printing their money for them either.

Mark

They the worlds currency? Oil tied to them? lol

NOW think what happened with them???

And? The ONLY thing that protects paper money is the BELIEF that the money will be honored. Once that belief is lost, nothing else matters.

Mark
 
What are the consequences of a US default?

No one really knows exactly what would happen, but the likelihood is that markets around the world would plunge and global interest rates would rise.

This is because if the US government could not repay the money it owed bondholders, the value of the bonds would decrease. And the yield - the return the government pays to an investor - would rise. This is because it would be perceived as a less safe investment.

This would prompt interest rates around the world, which are often tied to those of US Treasuries, to spike.

Furthermore, the impact on the US's creditors could be dire. Japan, for instance, owns about $1.14 trillion of US debt - which is equivalent to 20% of its annual economic output.

In the US, Goldman Sachs estimates that $175bn would immediately be withdrawn from the US economy and it could lead to a very deep recession.


BBC News - What happens in a US debt default


How does a nation that prints it's own money, default? lol

No, The United States Will Not Go Into A Debt Crisis, Not Now, Not Ever

The reason why it’s not true is because we live in a fiat currency system, where the United States government can create an infinite number of dollars at no cost to meet its obligations. A Treasury bill is a promise that the government will give you US dollars–something that the United States government can produce infinitely and at no cost.

That’s the reason why interest rates on United States debt have only gone down even as the debt has ballooned. That’s the reason why Great Britain has very low rates on its debt despite having very high debt-to-GDP. That’s the reason why Japan has an astounding debt-to-GDP ratio and still enjoys some of the lowest rates ever. Investors have bet for so long that there would be a run on Japanese debt and have ended up so ruined that in financial circles that trade is called “the Widowmaker”


No The United States Will Not Go Into A Debt Crisis Not Now Not Ever - Forbes

Hmm. How does a nation that prints its own money default? Maybe you could ask Russia, Germany, Argentina and Zimbabwe?

I am fairly certain no one was printing their money for them either.

Mark

They the worlds currency? Oil tied to them? lol

NOW think what happened with them???

And? The ONLY thing that protects paper money is the BELIEF that the money will be honored. Once that belief is lost, nothing else matters.

Mark

Is the US currently in that position? lol
 

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