What happened to the jobs?

There is one thing that Americans can do that will have a tremendous effect.
In fact, it would not only increase employment but increase wages as well.
There is absolutely NOTHING that you can do that would even scratch the surface of what this will do.

Don't buy cheap foreign items from Wal-Mart, Cosco, KMart, Target etc. etc. etc.
Buy American when you can.
You will feel better about your purchase, it will likely be of better quality and last longer - and you can walk around with the knowledge that you help your fellow Americans rather than hurt them.

You can't/won't do this?
Then you have no right to complain about the economy.

If only the majority of us had the extra money for gas to allow us to truck all over town, spending hours looking for an American made product. And even if we're lucky enough to find one, chances are some of its components were made in China, etc. Your "solution" is a pipe dream.

As long as people like you think it is - then it will remain so.
I bought a Dishwasher, Washer and Dryer...all 3 American made...all three are in the same store as all of the other brands.
Gosh - it took me like 6 seconds to Google "American made dishwashers".
Yeah - took a lot of effort. :eusa_hand:

Wow, Maggie can Google!!:clap2:

So, there are US manufacturers of dishwashers:

BSH, a subsidiary of Bosch. Germany, makes the Ascenta dishwasher in North Carolina. In 2004 BSH expanded the dish washing factory by an additional 100,000 square feet and in 2008 announced the production of an entirely new dishwasher line called Ascenta. All Bosch dishwashers sold in the USA are American made.

How very special.:lol:
 
It's not up to unions to do the innovating; that's management's job. Unions represent worker benefits, period.

Sorry not true. A worker on a shop floor will always be in a good position to see better ways to do the work he's doing. But, if he's a lazy union slob with job security and higher wages guaranteed by Democratic violence why should he care. 100 million starved to death in the USSR and Red China because the liberals destroyed the incentive to care. Now the liberals are bringing that mentality here with unions and welfare programs.

Under Republican capitalism everyone is encouraged to contribute, not to leech.

:lol: Tell that to the people who got swindled by the big investment houses a couple of years ago. You know, the ones -- rich and poor -- whose home values are about a quarter their worth because of their GREED a 'la capitalism run amok.


It wasn't Capitalism that ran amok...it was Big Government Cronyism.

That Is Not Capitalism.
 
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The Housing Collapse is Worse than the Great Depression of the 1930's!

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Interesting thread I had missed before today. Having worked in a union in my early career they often provide excellent insight into working better through suggestion plans and just plain sensible ideas. They also annoy management who are often not the smartest tools in the box, but they have negatives too. Outsourcing in the large industries is now in the thousands of overseas employees and time differences actually contribute to some of that growth. I find it fascinating that righties worship capitalism as if it were some gawd or ultimate principle? It's just people, many of whom would screw you in a second to make a buck. And those who blame Obama for an economy that American corporations have created, and Americans support through their purchases of foreign products, and their lack of support for fellow American workers is just partisan blather. Look sometime at the sad job record of Bush Sr and Jr.
 
Tell that to the people who got swindled by the big investment houses a couple of years ago. You know, the ones -- rich and poor -- whose home values are about a quarter their worth because of their GREED a 'la capitalism run amok.


actually housing crisis was caused by Fed and Fanny Freddie. If you disagree please say why or admit that as a liberal you can't. Thanks

I agree that F&F jumped into the subprime business and had the same problems with derivatives and packaging that private mortgage companies did, but they were NOT the sole cause, nor did they initiate what became a downward spiral.

Get Me ReWrite! | The Big Picture
That lack of evidence, however, doesn’t stop ideologues from trying. Consider this attempt at rewriting the causes of the credit crisis by Kevin Hassett:

“The worst financial crisis in generations was set off by a massive government effort, led by the two mortgage giants, to make loans to homebuyers no matter whether they could make the payments. Lenders were willing to lend money to just about all comers, no matter how low their income. Why? Because the lenders knew Fannie and Freddie would purchase the loans from them for a high price before bundling them into securities to sell to investors.”

Now, this makes for a fascinating narrative that plays into a number of different ideological beliefs. It exonerates the radical free market deregulators, it ignores what the private sector did, and it somehow ignores the fact that Congress was controlled by a very conservative GOP from 1994 to 2006 — the prime period of time covered leading up to and including the beginning of the crisis.

But worse than all of that, the data supporting Hassett’s position simply isn’t there.

Over the past 2 years, I have repeatedly asked the people who push this narrative to provide some evidence for their positions. I have offered a $100,000 if they could prove their case.

Specifically, I have requested some data or evidence that DISPROVED the following facts:

-The origination of subprime loans came primarily from non bank lenders not covered by the CRA;

-The majority of the underwriting, at least for the first few years of the boom, were by these same non-bank lenders.

-When the big banks began chasing subprime, it was due to the profit motive, not any mandate from the President (a Republican) or the the Congress (Republican controlled) or the GSEs they oversaw.

-Prior to 2005, nearly all of these sub-prime loans were bought by Wall Street — NOT Fannie & Freddie

-In fact, prior to 2005, the GSEs were not permitted to purchase non-conforming mortgages.


-After 2005, Fannie & Freddie changed their own rules to start buying these non-conforming mortgages — in order to maintain market share and compete with Wall Street for profits.

-The change in FNM/FRE conforming mortgage purchases in 2005 was not due to any legislation or marching orders from the President (a Republican) or the the Congress (Republican controlled). It was the profit motive that led them to this action.

These are data supported facts I pounded on in BN [Bailout Nation]
.

And on the CRAs:
CRA Thought Experiment | The Big Picture
 
Sorry not true. A worker on a shop floor will always be in a good position to see better ways to do the work he's doing. But, if he's a lazy union slob with job security and higher wages guaranteed by Democratic violence why should he care. 100 million starved to death in the USSR and Red China because the liberals destroyed the incentive to care. Now the liberals are bringing that mentality here with unions and welfare programs.

Under Republican capitalism everyone is encouraged to contribute, not to leech.

:lol: Tell that to the people who got swindled by the big investment houses a couple of years ago. You know, the ones -- rich and poor -- whose home values are about a quarter their worth because of their GREED a 'la capitalism run amok.

without playing the blame game

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3478806-post1.html

I didn't initiate the blame; I responded to Brutus who did. What's WRONG with you?? Seems you can't grasp even simple things anymore. Or could it be you feel you must argue with me, no matter what, even over the most mundane.
 
without playing the blame game what happened to the jobs

the liberals destroyed them by

1) allowing unions to raise wages and ship 30 million off shore

2) by allowing illegals to come in and take 15 million of them

You're just plain stupid, so don't expect to engage me anymore. You have joined the ranks of Rabbi and Libapocalypse who ignorantly believe that all of the countries woes can be laid at the feet of the liberals. Do some history homework, fella.
 
The question asked in the OP was how can jobs be brought back to America? The answer is not that simple, a lot of factors are involved. For one, we've gotta be more pro-business, the current policies and practices are not conducive to starting new businesses or expanding existing ones. Taxes, regulations, energy, labor, we aren't making it easier or more profitable to start a company here vs elsewhere. And that's pretty stupid IMHO.

For a long time now we've had leadership problems in Washington, and we have also ceded too much power there instead of localizing more of it to the states, cities, and counties. There's little or no cooperation or compromise until the last minute or even after, and the country suffers as a result. If we could get to the point where the major political parties could actually work together on the important issues of the day, I think that would be a major obstacle rmoved in terms of economic growth and job creaion. Why? Less uncertainty. We've got big problems that are getting worse, until we show we can address them in a responsible way, I think we're just going to slog along with little improvement in employment.

The good news is, the rest of the world is beginning to catch up to us as we are ratcheting back. Many developing countries are experiencing growing inflation, which means their wages and income are growing as ours are scaling back somewhat. Shipping costs will also rise, which means foreign products won't be as cheap here as they are now. IOW, I think manufacturing will begin to grow more in this country as we become more competitive. But we've gotta be smart about it, holding down our own costs.
 
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The question asked in the OP was how can jobs be brought back to America? The answer is not that simple, a lot of factors are involved. .

wrong wrong wrong. Make union illegal, send illegal workers back home, and eliminate the minimum wage. Then you'd have 50 million new jobs tomorrow or soon thereafter. Liberals oppose, of course
 
Tell that to the people who got swindled by the big investment houses a couple of years ago. You know, the ones -- rich and poor -- whose home values are about a quarter their worth because of their GREED a 'la capitalism run amok.


actually housing crisis was caused by Fed and Fanny Freddie. If you disagree please say why or admit that as a liberal you can't. Thanks

I agree that F&F jumped into the subprime business and had the same problems with derivatives and packaging that private mortgage companies did, but they were NOT the sole cause, nor did they initiate what became a downward spiral.

Get Me ReWrite! | The Big Picture
That lack of evidence, however, doesn’t stop ideologues from trying. Consider this attempt at rewriting the causes of the credit crisis by Kevin Hassett:

“The worst financial crisis in generations was set off by a massive government effort, led by the two mortgage giants, to make loans to homebuyers no matter whether they could make the payments. Lenders were willing to lend money to just about all comers, no matter how low their income. Why? Because the lenders knew Fannie and Freddie would purchase the loans from them for a high price before bundling them into securities to sell to investors.”

Now, this makes for a fascinating narrative that plays into a number of different ideological beliefs. It exonerates the radical free market deregulators, it ignores what the private sector did, and it somehow ignores the fact that Congress was controlled by a very conservative GOP from 1994 to 2006 — the prime period of time covered leading up to and including the beginning of the crisis.

But worse than all of that, the data supporting Hassett’s position simply isn’t there.

Over the past 2 years, I have repeatedly asked the people who push this narrative to provide some evidence for their positions. I have offered a $100,000 if they could prove their case.

Specifically, I have requested some data or evidence that DISPROVED the following facts:

-The origination of subprime loans came primarily from non bank lenders not covered by the CRA;

-The majority of the underwriting, at least for the first few years of the boom, were by these same non-bank lenders.

-When the big banks began chasing subprime, it was due to the profit motive, not any mandate from the President (a Republican) or the the Congress (Republican controlled) or the GSEs they oversaw.

-Prior to 2005, nearly all of these sub-prime loans were bought by Wall Street — NOT Fannie & Freddie

-In fact, prior to 2005, the GSEs were not permitted to purchase non-conforming mortgages.


-After 2005, Fannie & Freddie changed their own rules to start buying these non-conforming mortgages — in order to maintain market share and compete with Wall Street for profits.

-The change in FNM/FRE conforming mortgage purchases in 2005 was not due to any legislation or marching orders from the President (a Republican) or the the Congress (Republican controlled). It was the profit motive that led them to this action.

These are data supported facts I pounded on in BN [Bailout Nation]
.

And on the CRAs:
CRA Thought Experiment | The Big Picture

When the big banks began chasing subprime, it was due to the profit motive, not any mandate from the President (a Republican) or the the Congress (Republican controlled) or the GSEs they oversaw.
horsehockey.

91 James A. Johnson becomes Fannie Mae's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. The $10 billion "Opening Doors to Affordable Housing" initiative is launched. In September, Fannie Mae promotes Lawrence M. Small to President and Chief Operating Officer.
1992 Fannie Mae becomes, for the first time, the largest issuer and guarantor of MBS, surpassing Ginnie Mae and Freddie Mac.
1993 Fannie Mae succeeds the "Opening Doors" goal of producing $10 billion in purchases for low- and moderate-income and other special housing needs by July, more than 16 months ahead of time.
1994 In an expansion of the "Opening Doors" campaign, the Trillion Dollar Commitment is launched, pledging $1 trillion in targeted housing finance that will serve 10 million low- to moderate-income families.
1996 Fannie Mae celebrates its 10th consecutive year of record earnings. Fannie Mae contributes $350 million in stock to the Fannie Mae Foundation to expand its consumer outreach efforts.
1998 James A. Johnson, Fannie Mae's Chairman and CEO, announces his intention to retire. Franklin D. Raines joins Fannie Mae as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - Designate. In April, Fannie Mae announces the national availability of Flexible 97, a new mortgage product designed to expand home ownership through a low three percent down-payment requirement. On September 30, Fannie Mae celebrates its 30th anniversary as a private, shareholder-owned company. The corporation achieves record business volumes in purchases, commitments, MBS issued, profits, and families served. Fannie Mae reaches $1 Trillion mark in mortgage books of business outstanding.
 
You forgot the Fed. Not even a liberal can say with a straight face that the Fed didn't print up all the money used to buy and bid up the prices of all those houses.

Add Fanny Freddie to the Fed and you have a 100% liberal caused recession.
 
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further, right here, it all started going south-

1976 For the first time, Fannie Mae purchases more conventional loans than FHA and VA loans.

1982 Fannie Mae funds one of every seven home mortgages made in the U.S.

1983 Fannie Mae begins purchasing conventional multifamily housing loans.

this is why we are here now as F& F has what % of the mortgage biz? The whirligig never stopped. The private mortgage market is at a stand still.


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Oh and in the 90's capitalization limits required were taken lower so as to drop the creditworthiness required for a mortgage to be considered "sub-prime".
 
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actually housing crisis was caused by Fed and Fanny Freddie. If you disagree please say why or admit that as a liberal you can't. Thanks

I agree that F&F jumped into the subprime business


You forgot the Fed. Not even a liberal can say with a straight face that the Fed didn't print up all the money used to buy and bid up the prices of all those houses.

Add Fanny Freddie to the Fed and you have a 100% liberal caused recession.[/QUOTE]

hello, you need to delete your post and or re do the quotes, I didn't say that.
 
Interesting thread I had missed before today. Having worked in a union in my early career they often provide excellent insight into working better through suggestion plans and just plain sensible ideas. They also annoy management who are often not the smartest tools in the box, but they have negatives too. Outsourcing in the large industries is now in the thousands of overseas employees and time differences actually contribute to some of that growth. I find it fascinating that righties worship capitalism as if it were some gawd or ultimate principle? It's just people, many of whom would screw you in a second to make a buck. And those who blame Obama for an economy that American corporations have created, and Americans support through their purchases of foreign products, and their lack of support for fellow American workers is just partisan blather. Look sometime at the sad job record of Bush Sr and Jr.

Hey dummy? Unions benefit from capitalism. Is international capitalism out of control? Yes it clearly is. However, can your corrupt Union heroes even honor your pensions ect? = No they can't. Face it robot, you have been duped. Depending on your age, that will really decide if you're fucked or not. It will also decide how much you suck your masters assholes dry right? :razz:

You're like a rock climber hanging by his finger nails. Cause if you're a younger Union slave, then your fucked bro, and even you know that. Get off your high horse guy. You don't know what the hell you're trying to defend. You're just another slave who is gonna take what they can get before the entire plantation turns rotten and has finally crumbled.

LMAO! You fuck sticks won't learn until even the Government can no longer support your socialist madness. I guess as long as you get yours, all is good eh? Yeah, That's what I figured from a weak minded person who would allow their own union dues to go to whatever the hell your puppet masters decide. What a joke people like you are. As long as you get yours, then everything is fine. If you think for one minute that this will continue, and those like you will continue to get theirs, you're bravely mistaken my friend. You need to wake the fuck up bro. ~BH
 
Cheap overseas labor is what happened to the jobs.

We could outlaw unions, cut corporate taxes to zero, and eliminate every regulation on the books and that would do nothing to change the fact that foreigners will work for a fraction of their American counterparts.
 
Cheap overseas labor is what happened to the jobs.

We could outlaw unions, cut corporate taxes to zero, and eliminate every regulation on the books and that would do nothing to change the fact that foreigners will work for a fraction of their American counterparts.

What about infrastructure? We need to get going with manual labor but costs are sky high. The thing companies were hoping for was affordable healthcare which adds to the cost of their product but Repubs put the kibosh on that.

There is a lot that can be looked at but not with all of the infighting in congress.
 
Cheap overseas labor is what happened to the jobs.

We could outlaw unions, cut corporate taxes to zero, and eliminate every regulation on the books and that would do nothing to change the fact that foreigners will work for a fraction of their American counterparts.

What about infrastructure? We need to get going with manual labor but costs are sky high. The thing companies were hoping for was affordable healthcare which adds to the cost of their product but Repubs put the kibosh on that.

There is a lot that can be looked at but not with all of the infighting in congress.

"Cheap Labor" overseas is a mentally lazy explaination: Plenty of "cheap labor" jobs exist in the USA. Ask a Mexican.

The reason people don't work, is simply because they don't need to because government subsidizes unemployment: Show me an industrialised nation where there are higher subsidies for being unemployed, and I'll show you a country where unemployment is high.

Hey, Obamot: Dems "accomplished" SOMETHING during the two years they had a supermajority in congress and controlled the executive office. It is called Obamacare. Repubs did not put the "kibosh on that."
 

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