CDZ What Good Have Whites Done for the World?

[irosie91]

I'd like to know where you got this image, it is clearly wrong. The Oceanic peoples are genetically closer to sub-Saharan Africans than Englishmen.
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The DNA doesnt lie, friend.

Australoids and Indians have straight hair and their skin that is not regularly exposed to the sun is much lighter, unlike most African Bantu types who have an even skin tone whether or not it is an exposed area of the body, they have so much melanin.

Here is a link to a bunch of pics of Australoid people and if you factor out skin tone due to sunlight exposure (England has little direct sunlight and so the people there are actually pinkish australoid people - Google Search

Australoids have already begun adapting to the warmer climates with flatter noses but all the rest of their physical structure is almost identical to every Caucasian group.

silly game

 

[Thunderbird]

It has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the placement of different ethnicities on the planet and their evolution in history. Read, Guns, Germs and Steel.

I think Diamond's geographic determinism is completely wrong. Some societies have thrived in the most hostile environments. Culture matters.

History Upside Down

 

[JimBowie1958]

Here is a map in cyrilic letters, (Russian?) that shows old racial breakdowns. They split Caucasians into Northern, Southern and mixed Caucasian/Asian (still considered a type of Caucasian, dont ask me why, racial pseudoscience is not rational anyway).

The Ethiopian ethnicities are considered a blend of Caucasian and white and thus Negroid, for some reason, and the split the Bantu from the Bushmen, etc. South East Asians and Australoids are grouped together with Polynesian and Japn tossed in as well. Han Chinese, the really top achieving race of human history IMO, for various reasons, is grouped with the Mongols and Siberian ethnicities.

But Caucasians are all the Americas except pure blood Amerindians and All of Eurasia West of the Ural Mountains and Western Asia and the northern half of the Indian subcontinent, by this racial category maker.

This tells us something of our history and migrations etc, but on a personal level it tells us much less than the morphology of a person i.e. category by body type.

 

[JimBowie1958]

silly game

Yeah, but people play it and when governments play it like ours does, it is kinda not so silly any more.

Still, back to the OP, what are the boons that Caucasians have made to humanity? Can we talk about them and other racial issues without being immediately considered racist?

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Kilts

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[irosie91]

silly game

Yeah, but people play it and when governments play it like ours does, it is kinda not so silly any more.

Still, back to the OP, what are the boons that Caucasians have made to humanity? Can we talk about them and other racial issues without being immediately considered racist?

no

 

[irosie91]

I don't remember that part

 

[JimBowie1958]

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Kilts

*****CHUCKLE*****

And remember; kilts are not skirts!

 

[JimBowie1958]

silly game

Yeah, but people play it and when governments play it like ours does, it is kinda not so silly any more.

Still, back to the OP, what are the boons that Caucasians have made to humanity? Can we talk about them and other racial issues without being immediately considered racist?

no

why?

 

[JimBowie1958]

I don't remember that part

???which part of what? The kilt lifting?

 

[irosie91]

I don't remember that part

???which part of what? The kilt lifting?

the skirt lifting-------KILTS ARE SKIRTS---------boy skirts-------they are not pants-----no zippers
required. Lots of men wear skirts. a dhoti is a skirt-----usually----unless you fix
it up to be pantaloons style----------arabs wear skirts------the pope wears a skirt

 

[JimBowie1958]

Sort of a pointless question. Whites only know white culture and facts.

I have never heard of a white fact before. Could you explain them to me?

If you don't grow up and go to school in an Asian country, and learn about Asian contributions and such, you're not going to get that info elsewhere. So when you ask what have whites done, only whites will have any idea.

So no Asians have learned about white history and culture? That sounds kind of racist, doesnt it?

Yet those answers wont be more valid than the answers about other ethnicities from those ethnicities. I have no idea what contributions Asians, blacks, hispanics, etc have made. Not my ethnicity or culture so not really conversant on their thing.

So you are uninterested in what Asians have contributed to math and science because it was done by Asians?

Doesn't mean there aren't any though or that they may objectively surpass mine.

I would guess that a whole group ethnicities of people have made more contributions than any one person has, to include you.

What you seem to be saying is that history is not an objective subject. That a person is trapped by their race and ethnicity into only understanding their own ethnic culture and history and no one can understand that of the history and contributions of other ethnicites.

That is the basis of every rabid form of nationalism and racism ever founded.

Do you understand why? Because the very notion that we can understand each other and live in peace is denied by axiom.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I don't remember that part

???which part of what? The kilt lifting?

the skirt lifting-------KILTS ARE SKIRTS---------boy skirts-------they are not pants-----no zippers
required. Lots of men wear skirts. a dhoti is a skirt-----usually----unless you fix
it up to be pantaloons style----------arabs wear skirts------the pope wears a skirt

KILTS ARE NOT SKIRTS!

Just ask any Scotsman. lol

 

[Manonthestreet]

It has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the placement of different ethnicities on the planet and their evolution in history. Read, Guns, Germs and Steel.

I think Diamond's geographic determinism is completely wrong. Some societies have thrived in the most hostile environments. Culture matters.

History Upside Down

Africa used to be breadbasket of the world....... under Rome

 

[JimBowie1958]

Africa used to be breadbasket of the world....... under Rome

So modern agriculture you say?

 

[Manonthestreet]

Africa used to be breadbasket of the world....... under Rome

So modern agriculture you say?

More a refutation of his unequal distribution crap....though ag advances that feed the world fits......
Norman Borlaug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Golden Rice Project

 

[Asclepias]

This is a serious thread. So much of the discussion today is about all the horrible things the Marxist left imagines whites have done, and then whites that still have any positive regard for their own race, defends and explains why these things are not as bad as the Marxists are claiming. But you still end up with a net negative as people triangulate truth these days instead of using reason to clear their mental decks of all the Marxist lies.
Then you have the folks who inexplicably think that everything whites have made was stolen from someone else. Even some conservatives I talk to today think this nonsense is true

So I would like to see a thread that mentions of some things that have been good and a boon to humanity done entirely by white people. If we are going to push back on the anti-white racism the Marxists espouse we have to keep these unequivocal things in mind.

So I will start with three categories; science and technology, entertainment and culture and political reform and liberty. I'm leaving military advances out of this one as it is arguably not a universal boon to mankind.

Science and Technology; Modern calculus, heliocentric model of the solar system, the atom, the transistor, the automobile, the computer, the airplane, the television, and the metal ship. Geometry, Relativity and all moon landings. Roman arch and aqueducts, and indoor plumbing. Nuclear fission and fusion.

Entertainment and culture; Opera, most modern musical instruments like the piano, the electric guitar and the organ. Professional Sports Leagues, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, fictional literature, and card game Bridge and chess. the top selling books, of history 'The Bible', of fiction 'Atlas Shrugged', nonfiction 'the Gulag Archipelago' and 'the Diary of Ann Frank'. Realism painting, Impressionism, and photography.

Political Reform and Liberty; Magna Carta, US Declaration of Independence, Rights of Man, Democratic Socialism, Burkean conservatism, Platonic School of Reason, democracy and the division of power. Das Kapital, the Enlightenment, Parliamentary representation, the banishment of slavery, the united Nations.

That ought to get things rolling. Please leave out racist nonsense here and take it to some racism forum like Storm Front, if you dont mind.

Also, if Marxists would kindly refrain from listing their anti-white rhetoric that would be appreciated.

I think you are right to include people from India as "white". People from India are closely related to Europeans.

I'd like to know where you got this image, it is clearly wrong. The Oceanic peoples are genetically closer to sub-Saharan Africans than Englishmen.

Australian Aborigine.

English folk.

You have to understand white racist logic that makes this Melanesian guy not Negroid

And this girl Ethiopian girl caucasian and not Negroid.

And this Malaysian girl Asian instead of Negroid

 

[Asclepias]

I'd like to know where you got this image, it is clearly wrong. The Oceanic peoples are genetically closer to sub-Saharan Africans than Englishmen.
.

The DNA doesnt lie, friend.

Australoids and Indians have straight hair and their skin that is not regularly exposed to the sun is much lighter, unlike most African Bantu types who have an even skin tone whether or not it is an exposed area of the body, they have so much melanin.

Here is a link to a bunch of pics of Australoid people and if you factor out skin tone due to sunlight exposure (England has little direct sunlight and so the people there are actually pinkish australoid people - Google Search

Australoids have already begun adapting to the warmer climates with flatter noses but all the rest of their physical structure is almost identical to every Caucasian group.

I think you are laboring under the racist views long debunked. Australoids were among the first people to migrate out of Africa. The only reason they are genetically closer to whites is because thats exactly where whites came from.

 

[Fishlore]

This is a serious thread. So much of the discussion today is about all the horrible things the Marxist left imagines whites have done, and then whites that still have any positive regard for their own race, defends and explains why these things are not as bad as the Marxists are claiming. But you still end up with a net negative as people triangulate truth these days instead of using reason to clear their mental decks of all the Marxist lies.
Then you have the folks who inexplicably think that everything whites have made was stolen from someone else. Even some conservatives I talk to today think this nonsense is true

So I would like to see a thread that mentions of some things that have been good and a boon to humanity done entirely by white people. If we are going to push back on the anti-white racism the Marxists espouse we have to keep these unequivocal things in mind.

So I will start with three categories; science and technology, entertainment and culture and political reform and liberty. I'm leaving military advances out of this one as it is arguably not a universal boon to mankind.

Science and Technology; Modern calculus, heliocentric model of the solar system, the atom, the transistor, the automobile, the computer, the airplane, the television, and the metal ship. Geometry, Relativity and all moon landings. Roman arch and aqueducts, and indoor plumbing. Nuclear fission and fusion.

Entertainment and culture; Opera, most modern musical instruments like the piano, the electric guitar and the organ. Professional Sports Leagues, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, fictional literature, and card game Bridge and chess. the top selling books, of history 'The Bible', of fiction 'Atlas Shrugged', nonfiction 'the Gulag Archipelago' and 'the Diary of Ann Frank'. Realism painting, Impressionism, and photography.

Political Reform and Liberty; Magna Carta, US Declaration of Independence, Rights of Man, Democratic Socialism, Burkean conservatism, Platonic School of Reason, democracy and the division of power. Das Kapital, the Enlightenment, Parliamentary representation, the banishment of slavery, the united Nations.

That ought to get things rolling. Please leave out racist nonsense here and take it to some racism forum like Storm Front, if you dont mind.

Also, if Marxists would kindly refrain from listing their anti-white rhetoric that would be appreciated.

If you want a serious discussion about this topic you may need to sharpen up your understanding of Marxism and the concept of race. Marxist and leftist are not synonyms. The term "left" comes from the French Revolution, some fifty or sixty years before Marx began to write. While Marx's theories of economic history have been particularly attractive to the left, not all leftists are Marxists and vice-versa. I gather you are neither a leftist nor a Marxist, but using either term as a form of abuse precludes the sort of serious discussion you want to have.

Race is not a scientific term. There is no DNA/RNA pattern that divides humans in to separate genetic categories. The term "blood" as in "one drop of black blood" is similarly without biological or scientific foundation. Both terms come from pre-scientific understanding of human heredity.

The white race (or the black, red, yellow, Arab etc. race) is a political term, not a genetic one. People began to speak of the white race when Europeans came into frequent contact with Africans. Prior to that time, "race" was used as a synonym for what we think of as nationality. People spoke of "the French race," "the English race" etc.

Race became important in the dawn of the modern era when Portuguese slave traders began to sell African to Europeans. With the rapid expansion of race slavery, race became a civil status. Africans could be enslaved, Europeans could not.

Your idea that the so-called "white race" is the creator of various scientific, technological and cultural developments is, I"m sorry to say, both naive and factually incorrect, although it seems obviously true to the uneducated.

I would like to participate in your serious discussion; however your axiomatic assumptions are false and I have no wish to be an unpaid high school tutor. I suggest you narrow the focus of your inquiry and get your facts straight so we can have a smooth, friendly start.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

This is a serious thread. So much of the discussion today is about all the horrible things the Marxist left imagines whites have done, and then whites that still have any positive regard for their own race, defends and explains why these things are not as bad as the Marxists are claiming. But you still end up with a net negative as people triangulate truth these days instead of using reason to clear their mental decks of all the Marxist lies.
Then you have the folks who inexplicably think that everything whites have made was stolen from someone else. Even some conservatives I talk to today think this nonsense is true

So I would like to see a thread that mentions of some things that have been good and a boon to humanity done entirely by white people. If we are going to push back on the anti-white racism the Marxists espouse we have to keep these unequivocal things in mind.

So I will start with three categories; science and technology, entertainment and culture and political reform and liberty. I'm leaving military advances out of this one as it is arguably not a universal boon to mankind.

Science and Technology; Modern calculus, heliocentric model of the solar system, the atom, the transistor, the automobile, the computer, the airplane, the television, and the metal ship. Geometry, Relativity and all moon landings. Roman arch and aqueducts, and indoor plumbing. Nuclear fission and fusion.

Entertainment and culture; Opera, most modern musical instruments like the piano, the electric guitar and the organ. Professional Sports Leagues, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, fictional literature, and card game Bridge and chess. the top selling books, of history 'The Bible', of fiction 'Atlas Shrugged', nonfiction 'the Gulag Archipelago' and 'the Diary of Ann Frank'. Realism painting, Impressionism, and photography.

Political Reform and Liberty; Magna Carta, US Declaration of Independence, Rights of Man, Democratic Socialism, Burkean conservatism, Platonic School of Reason, democracy and the division of power. Das Kapital, the Enlightenment, Parliamentary representation, the banishment of slavery, the united Nations.

That ought to get things rolling. Please leave out racist nonsense here and take it to some racism forum like Storm Front, if you dont mind.

Also, if Marxists would kindly refrain from listing their anti-white rhetoric that would be appreciated.

If you want a serious discussion about this topic you may need to sharpen up your understanding of Marxism and the concept of race. Marxist and leftist are not synonyms. The term "left" comes from the French Revolution, some fifty or sixty years before Marx began to write. While Marx's theories of economic history have been particularly attractive to the left, not all leftists are Marxists and vice-versa. I gather you are neither a leftist nor a Marxist, but using either term as a form of abuse precludes the sort of serious discussion you want to have.

Race is not a scientific term. There is no DNA/RNA pattern that divides humans in to separate genetic categories. The term "blood" as in "one drop of black blood" is similarly without biological or scientific foundation. Both terms come from pre-scientific understanding of human heredity.

The white race (or the black, red, yellow, Arab etc. race) is a political term, not a genetic one. People began to speak of the white race when Europeans came into frequent contact with Africans. Prior to that time, "race" was used as a synonym for what we think of as nationality. People spoke of "the French race," "the English race" etc.

Race became important in the dawn of the modern era when Portuguese slave traders began to sell African to Europeans. With the rapid expansion of race slavery, race became a civil status. Africans could be enslaved, Europeans could not.

Your idea that the so-called "white race" is the creator of various scientific, technological and cultural developments is, I"m sorry to say, both naive and factually incorrect, although it seems obviously true to the uneducated.

I would like to participate in your serious discussion; however your axiomatic assumptions are false and I have no wish to be an unpaid high school tutor. I suggest you narrow the focus of your inquiry and get your facts straight so we can have a smooth, friendly start.

this should go into a BullRing challenge

potentially good stuff

it is a debate board here on usmb