What Foreigners Don't Understand About America

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    What Europeans, Australians and Canadians don't understand about America. Well, at least one thing.

    Most people from the industrialized world expect that when economic conditions turn poor for either the individual or the economy as a whole, the government should create or increase social spending programs. Not Americans. Rather than focusing on redistribution, Americans want their governments to focus on create the conditions for the situation to improve.

    Americans Oppose Income Redistribution to Fix Economy
     
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    And what Americans don't understand about ....:D

    Well it 'splains much misunderstanding. The rest of us know that governments have minimal influence in a free market economy anyway so we want them to ameliorate the worst effects of a failing free market economy. Oh well, to each their own.
     
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    As people continue to point out about these polls, much of the outcome on such polls really depends on how it is worded.

    If for example you asked most Americans specific questions about specific programs which the authors of this poll obviously would call "economic distribution" what you'd find is that most Americans would support those programs.

    So in principle Americans believe in self reliance.

    But in practice they want controls on businesses, too.

    And to prove that point, ask yourself how the government could"

    "Take steps to improve the economy conditions and the jobs situation overall" without violating the principles of laissez fair
    economics?

    EVERYTHING the government does is some kind of welfare project.

    It's either welfare for those who need it, or its welfare for those who don't need it, but it is STILL a violation of laissez[/I] fair
    economics.

    Most libertarians really don't want a laissez fair economy for themselves, they just want it for everyone else.

    After all what is a laissez fair economy?

    What would it look like?

    Well, it really means no government since government can't help but interfer with the markets. Everything the government does affects business, folks...everything

    For better or for worse, everything the government does, every law every policy, is a violation of the pricniple of laissez fair economy.

    The only real laissez fair advocates are anarchists.

    Because the only way to have a laisse fair economy is to have NO GOVERNMENT AT ALL. NONE!
     
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    Most people here seem to be under the impression that corporations are ethical beings that can be trusted. Corporations that are left un-checked will run rampid with greed. (Enron) De-regulation only lets corporations get away with murder. When a corporation smells profit, they will do anything, including break the law to attain it. Corporations have too much control over our lives on a day to day basis. Corporations do not pay their fair share of taxes, and move offshore to avoid the tax laws of the United States. Walmart as far as I am concerned can move to China for all I care. Good Riddance! Let small business, in. More competition!:eusa_whistle:
     
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    agreed, however we walk a fine line, because those same evil cooperations are the very back bone, and power house of our economy.

    Charles
     
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    Toro, i'll direct you to our thread about AB. You cannot expect a people with as much inherent pride in a nation to sacrifice their culture for the sake of some fabricated economic pipedream. We didn't just say "too fucking bad" during the depression. In a democracy the people make the gov what it is. I guess Europe might be slow to catch on considering their affinity for monarchs and shit like that.
     
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    Economic nationalism is everywhere and is generally stronger in Europe and Canada than in America. In the past, Europeans and Canadians had no problem using the government to nationalize businesses if they thought it was in their interests to do so. They have also generally made it more difficult to buy companies deemed in the national interest. For example, in France, Danone, a milk company, is deemed to be in the national interest.

    These countries have placed trade and capital restrictions on foreigners, as well as a myriad of other economic restrictions. However, these countries have also generally grown slower than America and have not created as much wealth as America over the past 3 decades. Their standards of living have lagged. Nobody is clamoring to replicate the French model anywhere, for example.

    Most Americans generally would not change their place with people in France or most countries in Europe. That graph above is the inverse of what you would see if that poll were taken in France and most other countries in Europe.
     
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    Toro you said:

    If Americans don't realise that they're living in crap conditions then how could they possibly know they're living in crap conditions?
     
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    Sure thing.
     
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    I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Couldn't you say that about anybody? There are a lot of misconceptions about how Americans live that foreigners have.

    It has generally been my impression that when you meet Americans who have lived in Europe for awhile, their misperceptions about many of the criticisms they may have are blunted. Talk to an American who has lived in Holland or Denmark or Sweden, and society hasn't collapsed because of gay marriage or legalized drug use. However, the same generally goes for Europeans when they live in America. America isn't an uncaring cultural wasteland as it is portrayed in those countries and Europeans often admire the dynamic and optimistic nature of American society. Of course, you'll always have some individuals whose stereotypes will be reinforced for some reason, but generally, the more exposure people have to others, the more tolerant they become.

    Having said all that, America is still different. It is a place where the American Dream is not a cliche to most. It is a place where reliance on individual initiative is more important than reliance on the state. Americans believe they can solve any problem. Having lived in Europe and Canada, this belief that people can solve their problems on their own with less help from the government is nowhere near as strong elsewhere. America is a wonderfully optimistic place. I don't get the strong sense of optimism elsewhere as I do here. Its a fabulous country. [/4th of July soliloquy]
     
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