What exactly is wrong/broken with internet in the US? (Net Neutrality)

[mamooth]

When NN starts to negatively impact the Internet, one wonders what liberals will have to say then. Will they be willing to admit that it was a huge mistake?

We already know how this turns out, which will be same way that every other conservative hysterical prediction of doom turns out. That is, none of conservative hysterical predictions of doom will come true, the conservatives will all conveniently forget they made such hysterical predictions, and they'll keep moving on to whatever new hysterical prediction of doom they're being spoonfed at that moment.

By the way, this conservative hysterical prediction of doom has reached its expiration date. What's the next one on the schedule? Will they go back to screaming that ISIS will destroy America, or has a new conservative hysterical prediction of doom been thought up? Remember, you always have to keep the conservative base hysterical about something. If they're allowed to settle down and think, they'll start turning on their own leaders.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Internet in the US is slower and more expensive than in other developed countries.

Post #246, same question applies to you.

 

[Political Junky]

Internet in the US is slower and more expensive than in other developed countries.

Post #246, same question applies to you.

You should explore what's going on elsewhere.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Internet in the US is slower and more expensive than in other developed countries.

Post #246, same question applies to you.

You should explore what's going on elsewhere.

So you can't answer the question either. I think the Hate America Left invents deficiencies in our internet service because you all are pissed off that it isn't a free service given by government at the expense of taxpayers. TFB.

 

[Political Junky]

Internet in the US is slower and more expensive than in other developed countries.

Post #246, same question applies to you.

You should explore what's going on elsewhere.

So you can't answer the question either. I think the Hate America Left invents deficiencies in our internet service because you all are pissed off that it isn't a free service given by government at the expense of taxpayers. TFB.

The Right likes the status quo ... no reason to improve.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Internet in the US is slower and more expensive than in other developed countries.

Post #246, same question applies to you.

You should explore what's going on elsewhere.

So you can't answer the question either. I think the Hate America Left invents deficiencies in our internet service because you all are pissed off that it isn't a free service given by government at the expense of taxpayers. TFB.

The Right likes the status quo ... no reason to improve.

That's right. There isn't. For the reasons I stated in post #246. Besides, I think you Leftists hate America so much you made it up. We probably have the best and fastest internet service on the planet.

 

[Political Junky]

Internet in the US is slower and more expensive than in other developed countries.

Post #246, same question applies to you.

You should explore what's going on elsewhere.

So you can't answer the question either. I think the Hate America Left invents deficiencies in our internet service because you all are pissed off that it isn't a free service given by government at the expense of taxpayers. TFB.

The Right likes the status quo ... no reason to improve.

That's right. There isn't. For the reasons I stated in post #246. Besides, I think you Leftists hate America so much you made it up. We probably have the best and fastest internet service on the planet.

America Barely Online
And yet, the U.S. doesn't even rank in the top 10 for global broadband speeds, according to Akamai's "State of the Internet Report," a survey covering the first three months of 2014.

Where's the fastest Internet? The report reveals that South Korea, which is heavily urbanized with wired-up apartment buildings, offers the fastest broadband, with an average connection speed of 23.6 megabits per second, or Mbps.

Meanwhile, the U.S. weighs in with an average of 10.5 Mbps. While that will do for an ordinary video stream, Netflix recommends 25 Mbps for Ultra HD video—and you're in trouble if multiple family members are watching different videos over the same connection.

The U.S. can't even measure up to Latvia (12.0 Mbps), the Czech Republic (11.2 Mbps) and Finland (10.7).

And American broadband is more expensive, too.

http://readwrite.com/2014/09/22/top-10-global-broadband-us-internet-infographic

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Post #246, same question applies to you.

You should explore what's going on elsewhere.

So you can't answer the question either. I think the Hate America Left invents deficiencies in our internet service because you all are pissed off that it isn't a free service given by government at the expense of taxpayers. TFB.

The Right likes the status quo ... no reason to improve.

That's right. There isn't. For the reasons I stated in post #246. Besides, I think you Leftists hate America so much you made it up. We probably have the best and fastest internet service on the planet.

America Barely Online
And yet, the U.S. doesn't even rank in the top 10 for global broadband speeds, according to Akamai's "State of the Internet Report," a survey covering the first three months of 2014.

Where's the fastest Internet? The report reveals that South Korea, which is heavily urbanized with wired-up apartment buildings, offers the fastest broadband, with an average connection speed of 23.6 megabits per second, or Mbps.

Meanwhile, the U.S. weighs in with an average of 10.5 Mbps. While that will do for an ordinary video stream, Netflix recommends 25 Mbps for Ultra HD video—and you're in trouble if multiple family members are watching different videos over the same connection.

The U.S. can't even measure up to Latvia (12.0 Mbps), the Czech Republic (11.2 Mbps) and Finland (10.7).

And American broadband is more expensive, too.

http://readwrite.com/2014/09/22/top-10-global-broadband-us-internet-infographic

Unlike you, I've actually spent a year in South Korea. It's virtually all urban, to the point that food is grown in soil between freeway on ramps. Compare South Korea to Greater Los Angeles, but don't compare it to a country with 4484 miles between Point Hope, Alaska and Miami, Florida. This is one of many examples of how you Leftists skew the facts to serve your socialist agenda.

 

[francoHFW]

"But we're such a big country"- the last refuge of the RW dumbass lol...

 

[Star]

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Centralized control, control, control.

They're on a roll now and they'll push it as far as they can.

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Oh look. Mac the Mature Adult doesn't know what net neutrality is about either. How precious.

http://www.highbrowmagazine.com/4577-why-americans-still-don-t-understand-net-neutrality

Earmuffs!

And how pray tell do you know?
Considering we're not allowed to see it what the bill contains....
I have to call into question the sanity of an individual when they believe the government is here to help,when they've showed time and again they're after power.

Me too! I too don't like not being able to see the full text of the rules to keep the internet's free speech, at least as open as it is today but-----but it's just another case of Republicans in government being to lazy to do their job. Who knows, maybe the Republican FCCers are Boehner's golf buds?

Thanks to GOP Commissioners, We Won't See the Full Net Neutrality Rules

February 26, 2015

The Federal Communications Commission will not release the text of its new net neutrality rules today even if the new policy is approved, a senior FCC official told Motherboard.

In fact, it could take weeks before the final rules are published, the official said. That’s because the two Republican commissioners, Ajit Pai and Mike O’Rielly—who oppose net neutrality of any sort—have refused to submit basic edits on the order.

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[CrusaderFrank]

When NN starts to negatively impact the Internet, one wonders what liberals will have to say then. Will they be willing to admit that it was a huge mistake?

I'm hopeful that NN will be reversed in the fairly near future, either by a new Republican-appointed FCC or by Congressional action signed by a Republican president. But, if NN remains in force, history tells us that the government will start to ruin the Internet. If that scenario becomes a reality, it will be interesting to see if liberals will realize their error and support correcting it.

It's like the $2,500 saving from switching to Obamacare. Obama knows is base is stupid and believes ANYTHING

 

[orogenicman]

The only thing wrong is that the government hasn't been able to get its hands into it and the statists, of course, support anything the government wants to do so they line up like lemmings to cheer it on.

Oh really? Try subscribing to and using Comcast, then try complaining about their service. They are the most incompetent company I've ever seen, and that isn't going to change unless there are enforceable standards in the industry. Moreover, if you want to pay on a tiered scale, then you should have supported ATT's efforts to prevent these regulations from taking effect. Why anyone but the ISPs would want such a tiered system is a mystery, but there it is.

 

[francoHFW]

When NN starts to negatively impact the Internet, one wonders what liberals will have to say then. Will they be willing to admit that it was a huge mistake?

I'm hopeful that NN will be reversed in the fairly near future, either by a new Republican-appointed FCC or by Congressional action signed by a Republican president. But, if NN remains in force, history tells us that the government will start to ruin the Internet. If that scenario becomes a reality, it will be interesting to see if liberals will realize their error and support correcting it.

It's like the $2,500 saving from switching to Obamacare. Obama knows is base is stupid and believes ANYTHING

Hilarious, coming from the chump RW who believe that saving was supposed to be immediate lol...

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

The only thing wrong is that the government hasn't been able to get its hands into it and the statists, of course, support anything the government wants to do so they line up like lemmings to cheer it on.

Oh really? Try subscribing to and using Comcast, then try complaining about their service. They are the most incompetent company I've ever seen, and that isn't going to change unless there are enforceable standards in the industry. Moreover, if you want to pay on a tiered scale, then you should have supported ATT's efforts to prevent these regulations from taking effect. Why anyone but the ISPs would want such a tiered system is a mystery, but there it is.

It seems others have noticed too.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The only thing wrong is that the government hasn't been able to get its hands into it and the statists, of course, support anything the government wants to do so they line up like lemmings to cheer it on.

Oh really? Try subscribing to and using Comcast, then try complaining about their service. They are the most incompetent company I've ever seen, and that isn't going to change unless there are enforceable standards in the industry. Moreover, if you want to pay on a tiered scale, then you should have supported ATT's efforts to prevent these regulations from taking effect. Why anyone but the ISPs would want such a tiered system is a mystery, but there it is.

Yes, I know you're forced to use Comcast because none of the Telco service your cave

 

[CrusaderFrank]

When NN starts to negatively impact the Internet, one wonders what liberals will have to say then. Will they be willing to admit that it was a huge mistake?

I'm hopeful that NN will be reversed in the fairly near future, either by a new Republican-appointed FCC or by Congressional action signed by a Republican president. But, if NN remains in force, history tells us that the government will start to ruin the Internet. If that scenario becomes a reality, it will be interesting to see if liberals will realize their error and support correcting it.

It's like the $2,500 saving from switching to Obamacare. Obama knows is base is stupid and believes ANYTHING

Hilarious, coming from the chump RW who believe that saving was supposed to be immediate lol...

How is going to a $5,000 deductible a "Saving"?

 

[francoHFW]

The 6k annual cap. And the free checkups, almost free doctor visits and cheaper meds...

 

[Star]

Hater dupes love being screwed by giant corporations...Well, now they'll have to improve our crap internet for EVERYONE so giant corps can get good service. Get it yet?

How does the FCC plan on forcing corporations to improve the internet?

The FCC won't "force" corporations to improve the internet, competition will. What are Republicans afraid of, why are they against the free market/consumers choosing winners?

Neutrality allows competition.
Competition from the innovators, with competition the smart, the hard working, the best-----the best will win. That's how a real free market works - right?

FCC votes for net neutrality, a ban on paid fast lanes, and Title II
by Jon Brodkin
Feb 26, 2015

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Commissioner Mignon Clyburn, the longest-tenured commissioner and someone who supported Title II five years ago, said the net neutrality order does not address only theoretical harms.

"This is more than a theoretical exercise," she said. "Providers here in the United States have, in fact, blocked applications on mobile devices, which not only hampers free expression, it also restricts innovation by allowing companies, not the consumer, to pick winners and losers."

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[bendog]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Seriously, why is there even a giant FCC ruling and political debate going on about the "freedom of the internet." There is nothing wrong with the fucking internet in the United States. Why on earth do we suddenly need a major government intervention where there is no problem?

I'll bite, even though I don't think you can honestly ask a question. The court decision that led to where we are, and the current issue:

But what this court decision does do is pave the way for changes in Internet service business models in the future. And that could have a huge effect on the services that consumers use.

For instance, the ruling opens the door for broadband and backbone Internet providers to develop new lines of business, such as charging Internet content companies, like Netflix, Amazon, or Google, access fees to their networks. Companies like Verizon, AT&T, Time Warner Cable, Comcast, and others could offer priority access over their networks to ensure streaming services from a Netflix or Amazon don't buffer when they hit network congestion, providing a better experience for end users.

Wireless providers like AT&T have already proposed a plan in which app developers and other Internet services could pay for the data consumers use to access their services. Again, AT&T argues this service is a win for consumers since it saves them money by not requiring them to use the any of the data they pay for monthly.

Broadband-service providers claim that these new services and business models will benefit consumers by offering better service quality or defraying costs. Broadband providers also claim having this freedom to establish new lines of revenue will enable them to invest more in their networks, which ultimately benefits consumers.

Randal Milch, Verizon's executive vice president, head of public policy, and general counsel, said that the court's decision will ultimately lead to carrier innovation and that consumers will eventually have "more choices to determine for themselves how they access and experience the Internet."

But supporters of Net neutrality caution this is a very slippery slope. And they argue that these new business models will likely increase costs for companies operating on the Internet, and that eventually those costs will be passed onto consumers. What's more, erecting priority status for services online will result in bigger players being able to afford to pay the fees, while smaller upstarts will be blocked from competing because they won't be able to afford the fees that a Verizon or Time Warner Cable might impose.
Why you should care about Net neutrality FAQ - CNET

 

[bripat9643]

Hater dupes love being screwed by giant corporations...Well, now they'll have to improve our crap internet for EVERYONE so giant corps can get good service. Get it yet?

How does the FCC plan on forcing corporations to improve the internet?

The FCC won't "force" corporations to improve the internet, competition will. What are Republicans afraid of, why are they against the free market/consumers choosing winners?

Neutrality allows competition.
Competition from the innovators, with competition the smart, the hard working, the best-----the best will win. That's how a real free market works - right?

FCC votes for net neutrality, a ban on paid fast lanes, and Title II
by Jon Brodkin
Feb 26, 2015

<snip>

Commissioner Mignon Clyburn, the longest-tenured commissioner and someone who supported Title II five years ago, said the net neutrality order does not address only theoretical harms.

"This is more than a theoretical exercise," she said. "Providers here in the United States have, in fact, blocked applications on mobile devices, which not only hampers free expression, it also restricts innovation by allowing companies, not the consumer, to pick winners and losers."

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If you want a free market, then simply stop the government from interfering. The phrase "government regulated free market" is an oxymoron. If an Service provider blocks some app you want, then switch to another service provider. That's how the free market is supposed to work: competition among providers forces them to provide consumers with what they want.