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I would disagree! They are both lies.A lie is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If you say something you believe to be true, and it's not, that's a mistatement, or an honest mistake, not a lie.
"Excusable lies" huh ??What I mean by lying means
1. Giving false impression
2. So others do things that hurt their interests
3. That benefit the liars
Also, giving false impressions on the credibility of a statement is a lie too to me. That's because the credibility of a statement is a statement by itself. Hence misrepresenting that is a lie too. So if a statement is most likely false, or are not supported by evidence, but said confidently as if it's the truth, with expectation that people can't check the truth easily, it's a lie.
Many lies are very excusable
1. A person can believe their own statement. In religion this happens through "faith". So people can say anything and claim that he is not lying because he believe what he said is true. A person can say give me $1 million dollar because that's what God's want, and he won't be charged with fraud unless someone can proof beyond reasonable doubt he wants the money.
2. The statement can be arguable or do not have precise meaning.
3. The statement can be technically correct.
4. The lie is done legally.
I wonder if there is a book that does more analysis on this.
I will give you a sample.
An insurance salesman sell "investment" to a customer. The customer specifically ask that he wants only small insurance and the rest can be investments. The salesman says that all money are invested. Turns out, only 47% of the money are invested like regular mutual fund. The rest are gone in fees that the customer doesn't know when buying.
Is this lying?
Is this excusable?
How many are like this?
Are so many things grey area like this?
Where did YOU go to Sunday School ??
Hillary lied her whole life and it cost her the Presidency.
The women voters would not vote for her.
They did not want another Nixon.
You can't change the definition of "lie," unless you're three and not old enough to grasp the fact that every word that comes out of your mouth that doesn't get fulfilled is a "lie." Remember that age, when you tell the kids "We're going to the beach on Saturday," and then the car breaks down or it rains like hell, and the kids wail "You lied!"I would disagree! They are both lies.A lie is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If you say something you believe to be true, and it's not, that's a mistatement, or an honest mistake, not a lie.
The first statement is a premeditated lie.
The second is the Reagan Rationalization for lying. If you say something that is not true, you are telling a lie. That you are saying things you do not know to be true makes you a "gossip." There is nothing honest about gossip. The person that sincerely believes a lie they are telling is true is the most effective and persuasive liar, that is why gossip is more powerful than a premeditated lie.
Giving false impressions are girlie lies.What I mean by lying means
1. Giving false impression
2. So others do things that hurt their interests
3. That benefit the liars
Also, giving false impressions on the credibility of a statement is a lie too to me. That's because the credibility of a statement is a statement by itself. Hence misrepresenting that is a lie too. So if a statement is most likely false, or are not supported by evidence, but said confidently as if it's the truth, with expectation that people can't check the truth easily, it's a lie.
Many lies are very excusable
1. A person can believe their own statement. In religion this happens through "faith". So people can say anything and claim that he is not lying because he believe what he said is true. A person can say give me $1 million dollar because that's what God's want, and he won't be charged with fraud unless someone can proof beyond reasonable doubt he wants the money.
2. The statement can be arguable or do not have precise meaning.
3. The statement can be technically correct.
4. The lie is done legally.
I wonder if there is a book that does more analysis on this.
I will give you a sample.
An insurance salesman sell "investment" to a customer. The customer specifically ask that he wants only small insurance and the rest can be investments. The salesman says that all money are invested. Turns out, only 47% of the money are invested like regular mutual fund. The rest are gone in fees that the customer doesn't know when buying.
Is this lying?
Is this excusable?
How many are like this?
Are so many things grey area like this?
"What Is Truth" is a definitional question of both ancient and modern Philosophy.You can't change the definition of "lie," unless you're three and not old enough to grasp the fact that every word that comes out of your mouth that doesn't get fulfilled is a "lie." Remember that age, when you tell the kids "We're going to the beach on Saturday," and then the car breaks down or it rains like hell, and the kids wail "You lied!"
Lying is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If it is not deliberate or not known that it is false, it is not a lie.
You need to either grow up or find another word.
Hillary lies much much less than Trump ...
I gave my philosophy professor grey hair. Couldn't get into it; too linear, but thanks for the terminology."What Is Truth" is a definitional question of both ancient and modern Philosophy.You can't change the definition of "lie," unless you're three and not old enough to grasp the fact that every word that comes out of your mouth that doesn't get fulfilled is a "lie." Remember that age, when you tell the kids "We're going to the beach on Saturday," and then the car breaks down or it rains like hell, and the kids wail "You lied!"
Lying is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If it is not deliberate or not known that it is false, it is not a lie.
You need to either grow up or find another word.
In Philosophy deception of any kind is sophistry and therefore all lies.
This is a formal way of saying what you are trying to say too, Granny.
But in case you never took any Philosophy there you now have it.
'Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.'You can't change the definition of "lie," unless you're three and not old enough to grasp the fact that every word that comes out of your mouth that doesn't get fulfilled is a "lie." Remember that age, when you tell the kids "We're going to the beach on Saturday," and then the car breaks down or it rains like hell, and the kids wail "You lied!"I would disagree! They are both lies.A lie is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If you say something you believe to be true, and it's not, that's a mistatement, or an honest mistake, not a lie.
The first statement is a premeditated lie.
The second is the Reagan Rationalization for lying. If you say something that is not true, you are telling a lie. That you are saying things you do not know to be true makes you a "gossip." There is nothing honest about gossip. The person that sincerely believes a lie they are telling is true is the most effective and persuasive liar, that is why gossip is more powerful than a premeditated lie.
Lying is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If it is not deliberate or not known that it is false, it is not a lie.
You need to either grow up or find another word.
Everyone is vulnerable to mistakes at times, Ed. Are you saying that the MSM is consciously choosing to live in a bubble and report one side of the story, not knowing or wanting to know the other? When I watch the news, I hear the commentators arguing against points made by the "other side," so I believe that is not exactly true.'Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.'You can't change the definition of "lie," unless you're three and not old enough to grasp the fact that every word that comes out of your mouth that doesn't get fulfilled is a "lie." Remember that age, when you tell the kids "We're going to the beach on Saturday," and then the car breaks down or it rains like hell, and the kids wail "You lied!"I would disagree! They are both lies.A lie is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If you say something you believe to be true, and it's not, that's a mistatement, or an honest mistake, not a lie.
The first statement is a premeditated lie.
The second is the Reagan Rationalization for lying. If you say something that is not true, you are telling a lie. That you are saying things you do not know to be true makes you a "gossip." There is nothing honest about gossip. The person that sincerely believes a lie they are telling is true is the most effective and persuasive liar, that is why gossip is more powerful than a premeditated lie.
Lying is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If it is not deliberate or not known that it is false, it is not a lie.
You need to either grow up or find another word.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
How did you get from gossip to legitimate news?Everyone is vulnerable to mistakes at times, Ed. Are you saying that the MSM is consciously choosing to live in a bubble and report one side of the story, not knowing or wanting to know the other? When I watch the news, I hear the commentators arguing against points made by the "other side," so I believe that is not exactly true.'Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.'You can't change the definition of "lie," unless you're three and not old enough to grasp the fact that every word that comes out of your mouth that doesn't get fulfilled is a "lie." Remember that age, when you tell the kids "We're going to the beach on Saturday," and then the car breaks down or it rains like hell, and the kids wail "You lied!"I would disagree! They are both lies.A lie is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If you say something you believe to be true, and it's not, that's a mistatement, or an honest mistake, not a lie.
The first statement is a premeditated lie.
The second is the Reagan Rationalization for lying. If you say something that is not true, you are telling a lie. That you are saying things you do not know to be true makes you a "gossip." There is nothing honest about gossip. The person that sincerely believes a lie they are telling is true is the most effective and persuasive liar, that is why gossip is more powerful than a premeditated lie.
Lying is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If it is not deliberate or not known that it is false, it is not a lie.
You need to either grow up or find another word.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
If you are going to respond in nothing but cryptic quotes, you've got to expect some confusion.How did you get from gossip to legitimate news?Everyone is vulnerable to mistakes at times, Ed. Are you saying that the MSM is consciously choosing to live in a bubble and report one side of the story, not knowing or wanting to know the other? When I watch the news, I hear the commentators arguing against points made by the "other side," so I believe that is not exactly true.'Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.'You can't change the definition of "lie," unless you're three and not old enough to grasp the fact that every word that comes out of your mouth that doesn't get fulfilled is a "lie." Remember that age, when you tell the kids "We're going to the beach on Saturday," and then the car breaks down or it rains like hell, and the kids wail "You lied!"I would disagree! They are both lies.A lie is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If you say something you believe to be true, and it's not, that's a mistatement, or an honest mistake, not a lie.
The first statement is a premeditated lie.
The second is the Reagan Rationalization for lying. If you say something that is not true, you are telling a lie. That you are saying things you do not know to be true makes you a "gossip." There is nothing honest about gossip. The person that sincerely believes a lie they are telling is true is the most effective and persuasive liar, that is why gossip is more powerful than a premeditated lie.
Lying is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If it is not deliberate or not known that it is false, it is not a lie.
You need to either grow up or find another word.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Fire and swords are slow engines of destruction, compared to the tongue of a Gossip.
Richard Steele
There is nothing confusing, spreading rumors you do not know to be true is gossip, not an honest mistake simply because you BELIEVE they are true.If you are going to respond in nothing but cryptic quotes, you've got to expect some confusion.How did you get from gossip to legitimate news?Everyone is vulnerable to mistakes at times, Ed. Are you saying that the MSM is consciously choosing to live in a bubble and report one side of the story, not knowing or wanting to know the other? When I watch the news, I hear the commentators arguing against points made by the "other side," so I believe that is not exactly true.'Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.'You can't change the definition of "lie," unless you're three and not old enough to grasp the fact that every word that comes out of your mouth that doesn't get fulfilled is a "lie." Remember that age, when you tell the kids "We're going to the beach on Saturday," and then the car breaks down or it rains like hell, and the kids wail "You lied!"I would disagree! They are both lies.
The first statement is a premeditated lie.
The second is the Reagan Rationalization for lying. If you say something that is not true, you are telling a lie. That you are saying things you do not know to be true makes you a "gossip." There is nothing honest about gossip. The person that sincerely believes a lie they are telling is true is the most effective and persuasive liar, that is why gossip is more powerful than a premeditated lie.
Lying is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If it is not deliberate or not known that it is false, it is not a lie.
You need to either grow up or find another word.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Fire and swords are slow engines of destruction, compared to the tongue of a Gossip.
Richard Steele
Can you give me an example of where the media has been "gossiping," lately? Other than pizzagate?There is nothing confusing, spreading rumors you do not know to be true is gossip, not an honest mistake simply because you BELIEVE they are true.If you are going to respond in nothing but cryptic quotes, you've got to expect some confusion.How did you get from gossip to legitimate news?Everyone is vulnerable to mistakes at times, Ed. Are you saying that the MSM is consciously choosing to live in a bubble and report one side of the story, not knowing or wanting to know the other? When I watch the news, I hear the commentators arguing against points made by the "other side," so I believe that is not exactly true.'Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.'You can't change the definition of "lie," unless you're three and not old enough to grasp the fact that every word that comes out of your mouth that doesn't get fulfilled is a "lie." Remember that age, when you tell the kids "We're going to the beach on Saturday," and then the car breaks down or it rains like hell, and the kids wail "You lied!"
Lying is a deliberate attempt to mislead someone with information you know to be false.
If it is not deliberate or not known that it is false, it is not a lie.
You need to either grow up or find another word.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Fire and swords are slow engines of destruction, compared to the tongue of a Gossip.
Richard Steele
The MSM is not spreading the "pizzagate" lie, that is the "alternative" media.Can you give me an example of where the media has been "gossiping," lately? Other than pizzagate?There is nothing confusing, spreading rumors you do not know to be true is gossip, not an honest mistake simply because you BELIEVE they are true.If you are going to respond in nothing but cryptic quotes, you've got to expect some confusion.How did you get from gossip to legitimate news?Everyone is vulnerable to mistakes at times, Ed. Are you saying that the MSM is consciously choosing to live in a bubble and report one side of the story, not knowing or wanting to know the other? When I watch the news, I hear the commentators arguing against points made by the "other side," so I believe that is not exactly true.'Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.'
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Fire and swords are slow engines of destruction, compared to the tongue of a Gossip.
Richard Steele
You disagreed with Dragonlady, who said we need to tell an untruth deliberately in order to be a "liar." You said it does not have to be intentional or deliberate:The MSM is not spreading the "pizzagate" lie, that is the "alternative" media.Can you give me an example of where the media has been "gossiping," lately? Other than pizzagate?There is nothing confusing, spreading rumors you do not know to be true is gossip, not an honest mistake simply because you BELIEVE they are true.If you are going to respond in nothing but cryptic quotes, you've got to expect some confusion.How did you get from gossip to legitimate news?Everyone is vulnerable to mistakes at times, Ed. Are you saying that the MSM is consciously choosing to live in a bubble and report one side of the story, not knowing or wanting to know the other? When I watch the news, I hear the commentators arguing against points made by the "other side," so I believe that is not exactly true.
Fire and swords are slow engines of destruction, compared to the tongue of a Gossip.
Richard Steele
Again, when did I say the "MSM" was spreading gossip? that is YOUR Straw Man!!!You disagreed with Dragonlady, who said we need to tell an untruth deliberately in order to be a "liar." You said it does not have to be intentional or deliberate:The MSM is not spreading the "pizzagate" lie, that is the "alternative" media.Can you give me an example of where the media has been "gossiping," lately? Other than pizzagate?There is nothing confusing, spreading rumors you do not know to be true is gossip, not an honest mistake simply because you BELIEVE they are true.If you are going to respond in nothing but cryptic quotes, you've got to expect some confusion.How did you get from gossip to legitimate news?
Fire and swords are slow engines of destruction, compared to the tongue of a Gossip.
Richard Steele
That you are saying things you do not know to be true makes you a "gossip." There is nothing honest about gossip. The person that sincerely believes a lie they are telling is true is the most effective and persuasive liar, that is why gossip is more powerful than a premeditated lie.
So I am asking you for an example of the "gossip" you apparently believe the MSM is spreading.