What constitutes an invasion?

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Trump has recently called the wave after wave of illegal immigrants trying to get into the US an invasion.

I then looked up the term invasion on Wiki and the first definition was a military force invading another country. However, down below there was also this definition:



In the 20th and 21st centuries, questions arose regarding the effectiveness of the invasion strategy in neutralizing non-state combatants, a type of warfare sometimes referred to as "fourth generation warfare". In this case, one or more combatant groups are controlled not by a centralized state government but by independent leadership, and these groups may be made up of civilians, foreign agents, mercenaries, politicians, religious leaders, and members of the regular military. These groups act in smaller numbers, are not confined by borders, and do not necessarily depend on the direct support of the state. Groups such as these are not easily defeated by straightforward invasion, or even constant occupation; the country's regular army may be defeated, the government may be replaced, but asymmetric warfare on the part of these groups can be continued indefinitely.[12] Because regular armed forces units do not have the flexibility and independence of small covert cells, many believe that the concept of a powerful occupying force actually creates a disadvantage.[13]

An opposing theory holds that, in response to extremist ideology and unjust governments, an invasion can change the government and reeducate the people, making prolonged resistance unlikely and averting future violence. This theory acknowledges that these changes may take time—generations, in some cases—but holds that immediate benefits may still be won by reducing membership in, and choking the supply lines of, these covert cells. Proponents of the invasion strategy in such conflicts maintain the belief that a strong occupying force can still succeed in its goals on a tactical level, building upon numerous small victories, similar to a war of attrition.
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Contemporary debate on this issue is still fresh; neither side can claim to know for certain which strategies will ultimately be effective in defeating non-state combatants. Opponents of the invasion strategy point to a lack of examples in which occupying or peacekeeping forces have met with conclusive success.[15] They also cite continuing conflicts such as Northern Ireland, Israel, Chechnya, and Iraq, as well as examples which they claim ultimately proved to be failures, such as Lebanon, and Afghanistan. Supporters of the invasion strategy hold that it is too soon to call those situations failures, and that patience is needed to see the plan through. Some say that the invasions themselves have, in fact, been successful, but that political opponents[16] and the international media[17] skew the facts for sensationalism or political gain.

I say Trump is right.
 
Trump's underwear experiences his invasion with weight gain daily....You are right...

Besides your stupid and unfunny remark, let me ask you a few serious questions:

So, for the record, you don't believe that this country is being "violated" from these illegals coming here? You have no problem having them in the country? Some with one agenda in mind, to take advantage of the "Freedom and Liberty" they don't have in their country?
You don't seriously believe - just maybe - they could have an opportunity to start a revolution in their country?

So, basically, you have no problem having more people in the country, in reality, we can't even take care of our own? So, more people - the Bigger government is your solution, huh?
 
Trump has recently called the wave after wave of illegal immigrants trying to get into the US an invasion.

I then looked up the term invasion on Wiki and the first definition was a military force invading another country. However, down below there was also this definition:



In the 20th and 21st centuries, questions arose regarding the effectiveness of the invasion strategy in neutralizing non-state combatants, a type of warfare sometimes referred to as "fourth generation warfare". In this case, one or more combatant groups are controlled not by a centralized state government but by independent leadership, and these groups may be made up of civilians, foreign agents, mercenaries, politicians, religious leaders, and members of the regular military. These groups act in smaller numbers, are not confined by borders, and do not necessarily depend on the direct support of the state. Groups such as these are not easily defeated by straightforward invasion, or even constant occupation; the country's regular army may be defeated, the government may be replaced, but asymmetric warfare on the part of these groups can be continued indefinitely.[12] Because regular armed forces units do not have the flexibility and independence of small covert cells, many believe that the concept of a powerful occupying force actually creates a disadvantage.[13]

An opposing theory holds that, in response to extremist ideology and unjust governments, an invasion can change the government and reeducate the people, making prolonged resistance unlikely and averting future violence. This theory acknowledges that these changes may take time—generations, in some cases—but holds that immediate benefits may still be won by reducing membership in, and choking the supply lines of, these covert cells. Proponents of the invasion strategy in such conflicts maintain the belief that a strong occupying force can still succeed in its goals on a tactical level, building upon numerous small victories, similar to a war of attrition.
[14]

Contemporary debate on this issue is still fresh; neither side can claim to know for certain which strategies will ultimately be effective in defeating non-state combatants. Opponents of the invasion strategy point to a lack of examples in which occupying or peacekeeping forces have met with conclusive success.[15] They also cite continuing conflicts such as Northern Ireland, Israel, Chechnya, and Iraq, as well as examples which they claim ultimately proved to be failures, such as Lebanon, and Afghanistan. Supporters of the invasion strategy hold that it is too soon to call those situations failures, and that patience is needed to see the plan through. Some say that the invasions themselves have, in fact, been successful, but that political opponents[16] and the international media[17] skew the facts for sensationalism or political gain.

I say Trump is right.
What constitutes an invasion? The same thing that constitutes an "outbreak of violence".
 
Trump's underwear experiences his invasion with weight gain daily....You are right...

Besides your stupid and unfunny remark, let me ask you a few serious questions:

So, for the record, you don't believe that this country is being "violated" from these illegals coming here? You have no problem having them in the country? Some with one agenda in mind, to take advantage of the "Freedom and Liberty" they don't have in their country?
You don't seriously believe - just maybe - they could have an opportunity to start a revolution in their country?

So, basically, you have no problem having more people in the country, in reality, we can't even take care of our own? So, more people - the Bigger government is your solution, huh?
One heck of a straw man you built up there. Lighten up, it was a joke and funny as well.
 
Whomever is funding it and organizing it should be tried for Treason, if they're American.

This is not a natural migration. Soros is known to be funding three of the organizations which are involved in organizing and maintaining this caravan. I stopped at him when I read that and didn't look any further, I'm sure there are some foreign millionaires with a political agenda against the United States to continue destroying our economy involved in it, too.

On thing is for sure, these illegal immigrants are milking the taxpayer for billions of dollars per year. They come here illegally, have kids, collect billions of dollars of welfare in their kids' names.

This could be considered economic terrorism or economic warfare, and the people sponsoring it, if they're American, and at least one person previously mentioned is, should be tried as an enemy combatant.
 
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Not sure how that is "Treason", they aren't even from this country?

Soros is funding at least three of the four groups involved with the caravan via his Open Society Foundation through Pueblo Sin Fronteras. The coalition CARA Family Detention Pro Bono Project, which includes Catholic Legal Immigration Network (CLIN), the American Immigration Council (AIC), the Refugee and Immigration Center for Education and Legal Services (RICELS) and the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) thus the acronym CARA.

Former AILA President Victor Nieblas Pradas is behind the Soros-led caravans.

Reports: Soros funding border caravan invasion
 
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Not sure how that is "Treason", they aren't even from this country?

Soros is funding at least three of the four groups involved with the caravan via his Open Society Foundation through Pueblo Sin Fronteras. The coalition CARA Family Detention Pro Bono Project, which includes Catholic Legal Immigration Network (CLIN), the American Immigration Council (AIC), the Refugee and Immigration Center for Education and Legal Services (RICELS) and the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) thus the acronym CARA.

Former AILA President Victor Nieblas Pradas is behind the Soros-led caravans.

Reports: Soros funding border caravan invasion
In other words, it's an invasion.
 

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