What Americans Were.....sigh....

[PoliticalChic]

I did quite well actually..

It was the right wing Torries who defended the crown

Here's your remedial:


1. Classical liberalism
a. “The American intellectual class from the mid 19th century onward has disliked liberalism (which originally referred to individualism, private property, and limits on power) precisely because the liberal society has no overarching goal.” War Is the Health of the State

b. Wilson and the Progressives tried to make war socialism permanent, but the voters didn’t agree. They (Progressives) began to agree more and more with Bismarckian top-down socialism, and looked to Russia and Italy where ‘men of action’ were creating utopias. Also, John Dewey renamed Progressivism as ‘liberalism,’ which had referred to political and economic liberty, along the lines of John Locke and Adam Smith: maximum individual freedom under a minimalist state. Dewey changed the meaning to the Prussian meaning: alleviation of material and educational poverty, and the removal of old ideas and faiths. Classical liberals were more like what we call Conservatives.

c. “Finally, Dewey arguably did more than any other reformer to repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding. Like Ely and many of his fellow progressive academics, Dewey initially embraced the term "socialism" to describe his social theory. Only after realizing how damaging the name was to the socialist cause did he, like other progressives, begin to avoid it. In the early 1930s, accordingly, Dewey begged the Socialist party, of which he was a longtime member, to change its name. "The greatest handicap from which special measures favored by the Socialists suffer," Dewey declared, "is that they are advanced by the Socialist party as Socialism.”
John Dewey and the Philosophical Refounding of America by Tiffany Jones Miller - National Review Online

d. “DEWEY'S influential 1935 tract, Liberalism and Social Action, should be read in light of this conclusion.


Again: "...repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding."

So, you can see that the Left definitely is not responsible for the greatness that is (was?) America.

Ain't knowledge great?

Revisionist crapola.......

Each generation faces it's own challenges. Those challenges are met through either a liberal or conservative mindset. As each challenge is different, the chosen path for meeting it will not change.

During the founding of this great nation, it was the liberal, or left wing that developed the complex strategy to form a new nation predicated on the equality of man.
Meanwhile, the conservatives of the day, who we like to call right wing, resisted those changes and maintained their loyalty to the monarchy.

Isn't history great when you don't change it to meet your 21st century agenda?

I fully understand your fear to accept the truth.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The recent dilemmas of conservatives has been threefold. One, how to blame the Bush recession on Obama, two, how to turn the slow recovery into a deepening recession, three, how to make liberalism a conservative idea.

reggie, there is not one teeny-weeny, itsy-bitsy mote of truth in your entire post.

Unless it's in some kind of upside-down, backwards-writing, bizarro code.....
...is it?

Otherwise, you're getting to be as flaky as Greek pastry.

 

[rightwinger]

Here's your remedial:


1. Classical liberalism
a. “The American intellectual class from the mid 19th century onward has disliked liberalism (which originally referred to individualism, private property, and limits on power) precisely because the liberal society has no overarching goal.” War Is the Health of the State

b. Wilson and the Progressives tried to make war socialism permanent, but the voters didn’t agree. They (Progressives) began to agree more and more with Bismarckian top-down socialism, and looked to Russia and Italy where ‘men of action’ were creating utopias. Also, John Dewey renamed Progressivism as ‘liberalism,’ which had referred to political and economic liberty, along the lines of John Locke and Adam Smith: maximum individual freedom under a minimalist state. Dewey changed the meaning to the Prussian meaning: alleviation of material and educational poverty, and the removal of old ideas and faiths. Classical liberals were more like what we call Conservatives.

c. “Finally, Dewey arguably did more than any other reformer to repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding. Like Ely and many of his fellow progressive academics, Dewey initially embraced the term "socialism" to describe his social theory. Only after realizing how damaging the name was to the socialist cause did he, like other progressives, begin to avoid it. In the early 1930s, accordingly, Dewey begged the Socialist party, of which he was a longtime member, to change its name. "The greatest handicap from which special measures favored by the Socialists suffer," Dewey declared, "is that they are advanced by the Socialist party as Socialism.”
John Dewey and the Philosophical Refounding of America by Tiffany Jones Miller - National Review Online

d. “DEWEY'S influential 1935 tract, Liberalism and Social Action, should be read in light of this conclusion.


Again: "...repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding."

So, you can see that the Left definitely is not responsible for the greatness that is (was?) America.

Ain't knowledge great?

Revisionist crapola.......

Each generation faces it's own challenges. Those challenges are met through either a liberal or conservative mindset. As each challenge is different, the chosen path for meeting it will not change.

During the founding of this great nation, it was the liberal, or left wing that developed the complex strategy to form a new nation predicated on the equality of man.
Meanwhile, the conservatives of the day, who we like to call right wing, resisted those changes and maintained their loyalty to the monarchy.

Isn't history great when you don't change it to meet your 21st century agenda?

I fully understand your fear to accept the truth.

The truth is that most significant social changes in this country have come about because of liberals. Those we like to call "left"

These changes have included ending slavery, womens rights, labor laws, environmental proections, civil rights, gay rights....

What has remained constant through our history is that these social changes have been strongly resisted by conservatives .

Many still are

 

[PoliticalChic]

Revisionist crapola.......

Each generation faces it's own challenges. Those challenges are met through either a liberal or conservative mindset. As each challenge is different, the chosen path for meeting it will not change.

During the founding of this great nation, it was the liberal, or left wing that developed the complex strategy to form a new nation predicated on the equality of man.
Meanwhile, the conservatives of the day, who we like to call right wing, resisted those changes and maintained their loyalty to the monarchy.

Isn't history great when you don't change it to meet your 21st century agenda?

I fully understand your fear to accept the truth.

The truth is that most significant social changes in this country have come about because of liberals. Those we like to call "left"

These changes have included ending slavery, womens rights, labor laws, environmental proections, civil rights, gay rights....

What has remained constant through our history is that these social changes have been strongly resisted by conservatives .

Many still are

Of course your point is refuted right in item #1: "...individualism, private property, and limits on power."

Unless you would like to argue that the phrase identifies Modern Liberals....

Didn't think so.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The recent dilemmas of conservatives has been threefold. One, how to blame the Bush recession on Obama, two, how to turn the slow recovery into a deepening recession, three, how to make liberalism a conservative idea.

Clear, concise and spot on. And you did all that without an internet search and posting a outline of partisan pablum. Thanks.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The recent dilemmas of conservatives has been threefold. One, how to blame the Bush recession on Obama, two, how to turn the slow recovery into a deepening recession, three, how to make liberalism a conservative idea.

Clear, concise and spot on. And you did all that without an internet search and posting a outline of partisan pablum. Thanks.

You have all the discrimination of Don Quixote.

 

[rightwinger]

I fully understand your fear to accept the truth.

The truth is that most significant social changes in this country have come about because of liberals. Those we like to call "left"

These changes have included ending slavery, womens rights, labor laws, environmental proections, civil rights, gay rights....

What has remained constant through our history is that these social changes have been strongly resisted by conservatives .

Many still are

Of course your point is refuted right in item #1: "...individualism, private property, and limits on power."

Unless you would like to argue that the phrase identifies Modern Liberals....

Didn't think so.

You mean your cut and paste?

Refutes nothing, just more of you blindly posting rightwing propaganda and selling it as your own opinion

 

[Wry Catcher]

The recent dilemmas of conservatives has been threefold. One, how to blame the Bush recession on Obama, two, how to turn the slow recovery into a deepening recession, three, how to make liberalism a conservative idea.

Clear, concise and spot on. And you did all that without an internet search and posting a outline of partisan pablum. Thanks.

You have all the discrimination of Don Quixote.

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go

To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar (ah, skip this one)
To try when the arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star

This is my quest,
To follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far

To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march into Hell
For a heavenly cause

And I know if I'll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest

And the world will be better for this
That one man, scorned and covered with scars
Still strove with his last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable star

I find Don Quixote quite admirable; unlike Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, McConnell, Boehner or Cantor. That is quite discriminating, in my humble opinion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Revisionist crapola.......

Each generation faces it's own challenges. Those challenges are met through either a liberal or conservative mindset. As each challenge is different, the chosen path for meeting it will not change.

During the founding of this great nation, it was the liberal, or left wing that developed the complex strategy to form a new nation predicated on the equality of man.
Meanwhile, the conservatives of the day, who we like to call right wing, resisted those changes and maintained their loyalty to the monarchy.

Isn't history great when you don't change it to meet your 21st century agenda?

I fully understand your fear to accept the truth.

The truth is that most significant social changes in this country have come about because of liberals. Those we like to call "left"

These changes have included ending slavery, womens rights, labor laws, environmental proections, civil rights, gay rights....

What has remained constant through our history is that these social changes have been strongly resisted by conservatives .

Many still are

'The truth is that most significant social changes in this country have come about because of liberals. Those we like to call "left"'

I suppose if I want something done right, I'll have to do it myself.

1. Woodrow Wilson, you philosophical doppelganger, wished to establish an administrative state of unelected bureaucrats. He wanted government indoctrination of children. He wanted to see the Constitution discarded. He wanted unbridled systemic racism. He instituted the Hegelian view of the collective as superior to the individual, and made America into the first fascist nation.
Behold your patriarch.

a. The electorate threw his successors out in a huge landslide election. (Be prepared for same in November).

2. The fulcrum of the progressive century was FDR.

a. Consider the following pluses for FDR( from “The Hundred Days of FDR”, by Schlesinger)
"Who can now imagine a day when America offered no Social Security, no unemployment compensation, no food stamps, no Federal guarantee of bank deposits, no Federal supervision of the stock market, no Federal protection for collective bargaining, no Federal standards for wages and hours, no Federal support for farm prices or rural electrification, no Federal refinancing for farm and home mortgages, no Federal commitment to high employment or to equal opportunity - in short, no Federal responsibility for Americans who found themselves, through no fault of their own, in economic or social distress?"
http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/11/26/specials/schlesinger-hundred.html

That's what you should have posted.

b. But, FDR decided he was far more prescient than our Founders, and he endangered this great nation by inserting equality of result where the Founders had written equality of opportunity.

He memorialized his view in the Second Bill of Rights speech, in which he incorrectly called a batch of new entitlements, as 'rights."

3. The legacy of Barack Obama will be that he coalesced all those who recognize the errors of progressive socialism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Clear, concise and spot on. And you did all that without an internet search and posting a outline of partisan pablum. Thanks.

You have all the discrimination of Don Quixote.

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go

To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar (ah, skip this one)
To try when the arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star

This is my quest,
To follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far

To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march into Hell
For a heavenly cause

And I know if I'll only be true
To this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest

And the world will be better for this
That one man, scorned and covered with scars
Still strove with his last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable star

I find Don Quixote quite admirable; unlike Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, McConnell, Boehner or Cantor. That is quite discriminating, in my humble opinion.

I knew you were good for something: I didn't even have to put in a quarter!

And, I'm glad that you recognize that you have every reason to be humble.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The truth is that most significant social changes in this country have come about because of liberals. Those we like to call "left"

These changes have included ending slavery, womens rights, labor laws, environmental proections, civil rights, gay rights....

What has remained constant through our history is that these social changes have been strongly resisted by conservatives .

Many still are

Of course your point is refuted right in item #1: "...individualism, private property, and limits on power."

Unless you would like to argue that the phrase identifies Modern Liberals....

Didn't think so.

You mean your cut and paste?

Refutes nothing, just more of you blindly posting rightwing propaganda and selling it as your own opinion

I've often been gratified to find that the only thing lesser posters can find to criticize is the style of a post....

 

[Dragon]

To argue that classical liberalism was about small, limited government is equivalent to arguing that transportation is about horsemanship.

 

[rightwinger]

Of course your point is refuted right in item #1: "...individualism, private property, and limits on power."

Unless you would like to argue that the phrase identifies Modern Liberals....

Didn't think so.

You mean your cut and paste?

Refutes nothing, just more of you blindly posting rightwing propaganda and selling it as your own opinion

I've often been gratified to find that the only thing lesser posters can find to criticize is the style of a post....

You have "lesser posters" now?

 

[sparky]

I've often been gratified to find that the only thing lesser posters can find to criticize is the style of a post....

Usually the ability to digest and debate flys anywhere PC

you see, things political are not a hard science, so those of us that rise to constructive critique accept that

but those history revisionists just piss me off, same as holocaust deniers do

that they'll continue on, even in light of some reading members that have actual sheepskins in history, or those that can easily provide historical links

it's the epitome of ignorance parading itself publicly

a shame it sells so well.....

~S~

 

[rightwinger]

I fully understand your fear to accept the truth.

The truth is that most significant social changes in this country have come about because of liberals. Those we like to call "left"

These changes have included ending slavery, womens rights, labor laws, environmental proections, civil rights, gay rights....

What has remained constant through our history is that these social changes have been strongly resisted by conservatives .

Many still are

'The truth is that most significant social changes in this country have come about because of liberals. Those we like to call "left"'

I suppose if I want something done right, I'll have to do it myself.

1. Woodrow Wilson, you philosophical doppelganger, wished to establish an administrative state of unelected bureaucrats. He wanted government indoctrination of children. He wanted to see the Constitution discarded. He wanted unbridled systemic racism. He instituted the Hegelian view of the collective as superior to the individual, and made America into the first fascist nation.
Behold your patriarch.

a. The electorate threw his successors out in a huge landslide election. (Be prepared for same in November).

2. The fulcrum of the progressive century was FDR.

a. Consider the following pluses for FDR( from “The Hundred Days of FDR”, by Schlesinger)
"Who can now imagine a day when America offered no Social Security, no unemployment compensation, no food stamps, no Federal guarantee of bank deposits, no Federal supervision of the stock market, no Federal protection for collective bargaining, no Federal standards for wages and hours, no Federal support for farm prices or rural electrification, no Federal refinancing for farm and home mortgages, no Federal commitment to high employment or to equal opportunity - in short, no Federal responsibility for Americans who found themselves, through no fault of their own, in economic or social distress?"
http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/11/26/specials/schlesinger-hundred.html

That's what you should have posted.

b. But, FDR decided he was far more prescient than our Founders, and he endangered this great nation by inserting equality of result where the Founders had written equality of opportunity.

He memorialized his view in the Second Bill of Rights speech, in which he incorrectly called a batch of new entitlements, as 'rights."

3. The legacy of Barack Obama will be that he coalesced all those who recognize the errors of progressive socialism.

I hope you realize what you just cut and pasted has nothing to do with what I posted

Do you even bother to read or do you just blindly cut and paste your rightwing propaganda?

 

[PoliticalChic]

You mean your cut and paste?

Refutes nothing, just more of you blindly posting rightwing propaganda and selling it as your own opinion

I've often been gratified to find that the only thing lesser posters can find to criticize is the style of a post....

You have "lesser posters" now?

Shoe fit?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I've often been gratified to find that the only thing lesser posters can find to criticize is the style of a post....

Usually the ability to digest and debate flys anywhere PC

you see, things political are not a hard science, so those of us that rise to constructive critique accept that

but those history revisionists just piss me off, same as holocaust deniers do

that they'll continue on, even in light of some reading members that have actual sheepskins in history, or those that can easily provide historical links

it's the epitome of ignorance parading itself publicly

a shame it sells so well.....

~S~

What you've failed to consider is that some of those "actual sheepskins in history" are, actually, worthless.

If you have been 'educated' under the wings of biased professors....perhaps education is no more than indoctrination in that case.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The truth is that most significant social changes in this country have come about because of liberals. Those we like to call "left"

These changes have included ending slavery, womens rights, labor laws, environmental proections, civil rights, gay rights....

What has remained constant through our history is that these social changes have been strongly resisted by conservatives .

Many still are

'The truth is that most significant social changes in this country have come about because of liberals. Those we like to call "left"'

I suppose if I want something done right, I'll have to do it myself.

1. Woodrow Wilson, you philosophical doppelganger, wished to establish an administrative state of unelected bureaucrats. He wanted government indoctrination of children. He wanted to see the Constitution discarded. He wanted unbridled systemic racism. He instituted the Hegelian view of the collective as superior to the individual, and made America into the first fascist nation.
Behold your patriarch.

a. The electorate threw his successors out in a huge landslide election. (Be prepared for same in November).

2. The fulcrum of the progressive century was FDR.

a. Consider the following pluses for FDR( from “The Hundred Days of FDR”, by Schlesinger)
"Who can now imagine a day when America offered no Social Security, no unemployment compensation, no food stamps, no Federal guarantee of bank deposits, no Federal supervision of the stock market, no Federal protection for collective bargaining, no Federal standards for wages and hours, no Federal support for farm prices or rural electrification, no Federal refinancing for farm and home mortgages, no Federal commitment to high employment or to equal opportunity - in short, no Federal responsibility for Americans who found themselves, through no fault of their own, in economic or social distress?"
http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/11/26/specials/schlesinger-hundred.html

That's what you should have posted.

b. But, FDR decided he was far more prescient than our Founders, and he endangered this great nation by inserting equality of result where the Founders had written equality of opportunity.

He memorialized his view in the Second Bill of Rights speech, in which he incorrectly called a batch of new entitlements, as 'rights."

3. The legacy of Barack Obama will be that he coalesced all those who recognize the errors of progressive socialism.

I hope you realize what you just cut and pasted has nothing to do with what I posted

Do you even bother to read or do you just blindly cut and paste your rightwing propaganda?

So....you're at a loss here, as well?

 

[rightwinger]

I've often been gratified to find that the only thing lesser posters can find to criticize is the style of a post....

You have "lesser posters" now?

Shoe fit?

At least some of us don't have to resort to cutting and pasting the work of others and passing it off as our opinion

Did you actually get through college that way? Pretty pathetic actually

 

[PoliticalChic]

You have "lesser posters" now?

Shoe fit?

At least some of us don't have to resort to cutting and pasting the work of others and passing it off as our opinion

Did you actually get through college that way? Pretty pathetic actually

See...now you are reduced to prevarication.

I source and link.

I don't know whether you sound more resentful, or more whiny.

Now, why would I be getting under your skin....could it be the truth of my posts?

Could be?


Imagine how you'll feel November 7th......