What Americans Were.....sigh....

[regent]

What are free markets, and when did America, since the Constitution was ratified, ever have free markets? Whatever free markets means.
Individualism has many definitions what is yours? What is it, and who should qualify?
As for limited government that's pretty apparent with the Court about to rule on the health care law, that limited government still exists. But even beyond the health care law there are numerous court decisions regarding limited government.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If we could only live as our founding father did and believe in the same things, what a glorious adventure we would have.

No paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic, and a life span of around 42 years.

The naïve idiocy of reactionaryism blinds the adherent to the facts of reality, then and today.

PC's mind is stuck in the 18th century and cannot factor in the world as it is today. Such is the world of the Reactionary, not a conservative as she likes to pretend.

The bane of reactionaryism imperils our Nation, founded on the principles of progress and embracing the future, not fearing the future and seeking refuge in the past.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What are free markets, and when did America, since the Constitution was ratified, ever have free markets? Whatever free markets means.
Individualism has many definitions what is yours? What is it, and who should qualify?
As for limited government that's pretty apparent with the Court about to rule on the health care law, that limited government still exists. But even beyond the health care law there are numerous court decisions regarding limited government.

Don't have dictionaries where you reside?

 

[PoliticalChic]

If we could only live as our founding father did and believe in the same things, what a glorious adventure we would have.

No paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic, and a life span of around 42 years.

The naïve idiocy of reactionaryism blinds the adherent to the facts of reality, then and today.

PC's mind is stuck in the 18th century and cannot factor in the world as it is today. Such is the world of the Reactionary, not a conservative as she likes to pretend.

The bane of reactionaryism imperils our Nation, founded on the principles of progress and embracing the future, not fearing the future and seeking refuge in the past.

You write so nicely.

It is surprising to find same in one whose understanding is so limited.

 

[Wry Catcher]

March 22.1775, Edmund Burke took the floor of the British Parliament, and explained why his country should seek reconciliation with the Americans, asserting that the colonists derived their ideas about freedom and resistance from their Protestant Christianity.

They were Protestants “of that kind which is most adverse to all implicit submission of mind and opinion,” and their dissent from the Anglican Church not only favored liberty, it was “built upon it.”
Edmund Burke, “The Speech of Edmund Burke, Esq,; On Moving His Resolution for Conciliation with the Colonies,” p.15-17.

Today, another March 22, this great nation is half filled with folks who demand that others pay for their chosen styles of life, their insurance, their leisure....who give up individuality and liberty for the embrace of the collective, the state.

What would Edmund Burke think of Americans today...and the poster child for the spoiled, full-of-themselves wastrels, Sandra Fluke?

November will tell if the other kinds of Americans are still around...I think they are.

Who was Edmund Burke?
The philosopher who is generally considered the father of modern conservatism.

"You win by giving people a choice. You win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone who's just going to be a little different than the person in there," Santorum told supporters in San Antonio. "If you're going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate of the future."
Rick Santorum
March 22, 2012

"Good morning. American and coalition forces have begun a concerted campaign against the regime of Saddam Hussein. In this war, our coalition is broad, more than 40 countries from across the globe. Our cause is just, the security of the nations we serve and the peace of the world. And our mission is clear, to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people.'
George W. Bush
March 22, 2003

The difference between Sandra Fluke and PC is clear. Ms. Fluke speaks HER mind and reflects the words of RFK: "Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not."

PC's mind is stuck in the 18th century and cannot factor in the world as it is today. Such is the world of the Reactionary, not a conservative as she likes to pretend.

Every time I read your post, I shake my head so rapidly, you could blend paint colors in my mouth….
" Ms. Fluke speaks HER mind and reflects the words of RFK: "Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not."

Every time I read your post, I shake my head so rapidly, you could blend paint colors in my mouth….

There's only one part of Ms. Fluke that "some men see."

I guess you don't realize how moronic you sound....RFK running on a platform of the United States of America paying spoiled 30-something brats to have as much sex as they would like....and demanding that working Americans pay for same.....

Exactly what the OP was claiming about the Left.

As predicted, the lower Obama and the Democrats fall in the polls, the more loud and loony the Left becomes.

A typical PC retort; no substance, a pound of hyperbole and a quart of mendacity.

 

[daveman]

"You win by giving people a choice. You win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone who's just going to be a little different than the person in there," Santorum told supporters in San Antonio. "If you're going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate of the future."
Rick Santorum
March 22, 2012

"Good morning. American and coalition forces have begun a concerted campaign against the regime of Saddam Hussein. In this war, our coalition is broad, more than 40 countries from across the globe. Our cause is just, the security of the nations we serve and the peace of the world. And our mission is clear, to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people.'
George W. Bush
March 22, 2003

The difference between Sandra Fluke and PC is clear. Ms. Fluke speaks HER mind and reflects the words of RFK: "Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not."

PC's mind is stuck in the 18th century and cannot factor in the world as it is today. Such is the world of the Reactionary, not a conservative as she likes to pretend.

Every time I read your post, I shake my head so rapidly, you could blend paint colors in my mouth….
" Ms. Fluke speaks HER mind and reflects the words of RFK: "Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not."

Every time I read your post, I shake my head so rapidly, you could blend paint colors in my mouth….

There's only one part of Ms. Fluke that "some men see."

I guess you don't realize how moronic you sound....RFK running on a platform of the United States of America paying spoiled 30-something brats to have as much sex as they would like....and demanding that working Americans pay for same.....

Exactly what the OP was claiming about the Left.

As predicted, the lower Obama and the Democrats fall in the polls, the more loud and loony the Left becomes.

A typical PC retort; no substance, a pound of hyperbole and a quart of mendacity.

Once again, you unknowingly describe Obama.

 

[regent]

What are free markets, and when did America, since the Constitution was ratified, ever have free markets? Whatever free markets means.
Individualism has many definitions what is yours? What is it, and who should qualify?
As for limited government that's pretty apparent with the Court about to rule on the health care law, that limited government still exists. But even beyond the health care law there are numerous court decisions regarding limited government.

Don't have dictionaries where you reside?

Yes, but I have discovered that freqently the dictionary and the poster each have their own definitions and not always the same. For example one of the favorite terms of conservatives is "socialism" but on asking what it means there were few answers, but it is still used as often just a form of name-calling.

 

[007]

"You win by giving people a choice. You win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone who's just going to be a little different than the person in there," Santorum told supporters in San Antonio. "If you're going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate of the future."
Rick Santorum
March 22, 2012

"Good morning. American and coalition forces have begun a concerted campaign against the regime of Saddam Hussein. In this war, our coalition is broad, more than 40 countries from across the globe. Our cause is just, the security of the nations we serve and the peace of the world. And our mission is clear, to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people.'
George W. Bush
March 22, 2003

The difference between Sandra Fluke and PC is clear. Ms. Fluke speaks HER mind and reflects the words of RFK: "Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not."

PC's mind is stuck in the 18th century and cannot factor in the world as it is today. Such is the world of the Reactionary, not a conservative as she likes to pretend.

Every time I read your post, I shake my head so rapidly, you could blend paint colors in my mouth….
" Ms. Fluke speaks HER mind and reflects the words of RFK: "Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not."

Every time I read your post, I shake my head so rapidly, you could blend paint colors in my mouth….

There's only one part of Ms. Fluke that "some men see."

I guess you don't realize how moronic you sound....RFK running on a platform of the United States of America paying spoiled 30-something brats to have as much sex as they would like....and demanding that working Americans pay for same.....

Exactly what the OP was claiming about the Left.

As predicted, the lower Obama and the Democrats fall in the polls, the more loud and loony the Left becomes.

A typical PC retort; no substance, a pound of hyperbole and a quart of mendacity.

:Irony alert:

 

[PoliticalChic]

"You win by giving people a choice. You win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone who's just going to be a little different than the person in there," Santorum told supporters in San Antonio. "If you're going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate of the future."
Rick Santorum
March 22, 2012

"Good morning. American and coalition forces have begun a concerted campaign against the regime of Saddam Hussein. In this war, our coalition is broad, more than 40 countries from across the globe. Our cause is just, the security of the nations we serve and the peace of the world. And our mission is clear, to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people.'
George W. Bush
March 22, 2003

The difference between Sandra Fluke and PC is clear. Ms. Fluke speaks HER mind and reflects the words of RFK: "Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not."

PC's mind is stuck in the 18th century and cannot factor in the world as it is today. Such is the world of the Reactionary, not a conservative as she likes to pretend.

Every time I read your post, I shake my head so rapidly, you could blend paint colors in my mouth….
" Ms. Fluke speaks HER mind and reflects the words of RFK: "Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not."

Every time I read your post, I shake my head so rapidly, you could blend paint colors in my mouth….

There's only one part of Ms. Fluke that "some men see."

I guess you don't realize how moronic you sound....RFK running on a platform of the United States of America paying spoiled 30-something brats to have as much sex as they would like....and demanding that working Americans pay for same.....

Exactly what the OP was claiming about the Left.

As predicted, the lower Obama and the Democrats fall in the polls, the more loud and loony the Left becomes.

A typical PC retort; no substance, a pound of hyperbole and a quart of mendacity.

How about we plumb the depths of your stupidity...

....well beyond the jejune, you've reached down to the troglodyte level of abject and abysmal asininity.


As you can see, words don't quite fail me in assailing your jaw-dropping attempt to use RFK to excuse the arrogance of demanding other peoples hard-earned assets to support ones licentious lifestyle....

You are so ignorant that you use a Kennedy scion to support Fluke's absurd demands...and are unaware that Robert Kennedy's father had his daughter surgically 'altered' so that promiscuity would not stain the family reputation...

"In 1941, Joseph Kennedy, worried his daughter's mild mental retardation would lead her into situations that could damage the family's reputation, arranged for Rosemary to have a lobotomy. She was 23.

"Rosemary was a woman, and there was a dread fear of pregnancy, disease and disgrace," author Laurence Leamer wrote in his book "The Kennedy Women: The Saga of an American Family."
Retarded Kennedy sister dies at 86 - Democratic Underground
There are many rumors that he had her sterilized.


You would have been far wiser to have chosen Ted Kennedy, the poster child for profligacy...but then you wouldn't be 'you.'


Now, you buffoon, would you like to go on to state that Mother Teresa an Mahatma Gandhi also support Sandra Fluke????

DUNCE.


And....'pound' goes with 'ounces,' and 'gallons' with 'quarts,' nincompoop.

And....use a dictionary to research the meaning of 'mendacity'....you will find that that term in no way applies to me.
You ignoramus.

 

[midcan5]

Why do you idiots insist that a call for the return to conservative principles means abandoning modern civilization?

Oh...it's because you don't have a rational rebuttal to conservative principles.

Kerry on.

I'd be only too pleased to review for our Liberal friends:

1.Individualism,

2. Free markets,

3. and Limited constitutional government.

You may as well be speaking in Esperanto, dear. They're not equipped to understand those ideas.

Those are just words my friends, they mean nothing outside of context, especially if you consider the historical reality of the times you worship. Read a bit of history sometime - but allow me again, for maybe the hundred time, to ask what conservatism has done for all the people? No one can answer, as conservatism is merely reactionary partisanship, and when given the reigns of power a complete failure as Bush Jr demonstrated so well. 'All you need is freedom, freedom is all you need....' Sing it enough times and it still means nada. More to it than empty phrases.

"Hirschman draws his examples from three successive waves of reactive thought, that arose in response to the liberal ideas of the French Revolution and the Declaration of the Rights of Man, to democratization and the drive toward universal suffrage in the nineteenth century, and to the welfare state in our own century. In each case he identifies three principal arguments invariably used - the theses of perversity, futility, and jeopardy. He illustrates these propositions by ciung writers across the centuries from Alexis de Tocqueville to George Stigler, Herbert Spencer to Jay Forrester, Edmund Burke to Charles Murray." From backcover http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/HIRRHE.html?show=reviews

Your tries are here: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/186726-republican-ideology-through-history-7.html#post4251322

 

[regent]

There is the theory that liberals move the country too fast, and America has to stop once in a while and digest such things as women get the vote, or Social Security. After we learn to live with the new liberal programs, we are ready to move on again. In due time America will have a health care program, and all the Republican attempts to stop that progress with their slogans, scare words, platitudes and so forth will not matter. When America is ready to move forward again, it will.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

A typical PC retort; no substance, a pound of hyperbole and a quart of mendacity.

It’s not fair to single-out this particular poster, as a conservative ideologue she knows no substance and can only respond with hyperbole and dogma. The fault lies not with her but with whomever failed to teach her critical thinking skills.

Those are just words my friends, they mean nothing outside of context, especially if you consider the historical reality of the times you worship. Read a bit of history sometime - but allow me again, for maybe the hundred time, to ask what conservatism has done for all the people? No one can answer, as conservatism is merely reactionary partisanship, and when given the reigns of power a complete failure as Bush Jr demonstrated so well. 'All you need is freedom, freedom is all you need....' Sing it enough times and it still means nada. More to it than empty phrases.

Correct.

Reactionaries dream in naïve ignorance of an idealized American past that never existed to begin with.

The reality of America’s past – the past the right longs for – is a past of racism, segregation, and discrimination; a past of restricted liberties, no right to counsel, no right to equal access to the law, no right to due process.

It was only through the efforts of progressives and liberals in the courts – efforts fought every step of the way by the right – which the American dream was finally realized for all Americans.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Every time I read your post, I shake my head so rapidly, you could blend paint colors in my mouth….
" Ms. Fluke speaks HER mind and reflects the words of RFK: "Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not."

Every time I read your post, I shake my head so rapidly, you could blend paint colors in my mouth….

There's only one part of Ms. Fluke that "some men see." (Shame on you)

I guess you don't realize how moronic you sound....RFK running on a platform of the United States of America paying spoiled 30-something brats to have as much sex as they would like....and demanding that working Americans pay for same.....(Same, shame)

Exactly what the OP was claiming about the Left.

As predicted, the lower Obama and the Democrats fall in the polls, the more loud and loony the Left becomes.

A typical PC retort; no substance, a pound of hyperbole and a quart of mendacity.

How about we plumb the depths of your stupidity...

....well beyond the jejune, you've reached down to the troglodyte level of abject and abysmal asininity.


As you can see, words don't quite fail me in assailing your jaw-dropping attempt to use RFK to excuse the arrogance of demanding other peoples hard-earned assets to support ones licentious lifestyle.... (liar, you have no way to know her private life, and licentious, really - self righteous prig)

You are so ignorant that you use a Kennedy scion to support Fluke's absurd demands...and are unaware that Robert Kennedy's father had his daughter surgically 'altered' so that promiscuity would not stain the family reputation...(liar, liar)

"In 1941, Joseph Kennedy, worried his daughter's mild mental retardation would lead her into situations that could damage the family's reputation, arranged for Rosemary to have a lobotomy. She was 23. (pants on fire)

"Rosemary was a woman, and there was a dread fear of pregnancy, disease and disgrace," author Laurence Leamer wrote in his book "The Kennedy Women: The Saga of an American Family."
Retarded Kennedy sister dies at 86 - Democratic Underground
There are many rumors that he had her sterilized. (lobotomy, if I recall correctly - a medical procedure once considered beneficial)


You would have been far wiser to have chosen Ted Kennedy, the poster child for profligacy...but then you wouldn't be 'you.'


Now, you buffoon, would you like to go on to state that Mother Teresa an Mahatma Gandhi also support Sandra Fluke????

DUNCE.


And....'pound' goes with 'ounces,' and 'gallons' with 'quarts,' nincompoop. (being cavil now? It's called style, to bad you haven't any)

And....use a dictionary to research the meaning of 'mendacity'....you will find that that term in no way applies to me. (Know thyself, it does, it does)
You ignoramus.

Once again you transgress the boundaries of civil discourse and offend the language with your "enchant for promulgating your esoteric cogitations or articulating your superficial sentimentalities, and amicable philosophical or psychological observations"

RSB -- News (Details)

Mendacity forms your entire being, I suppose that will fly over your pompous head too. Stating that Ms. Fluke spoke out of her concern that others pay for her alleged sexual activities was a lie (do you have a primary source for such an allegation?). Of course this is only one of the outrageous allegations you make in this single post. Shame on you.

 

[rightwinger]

If we could only live as our founding father did and believe in the same things, what a glorious adventure we would have.

No paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic, and a life span of around 42 years.

What does that have to do with self-respect, initiative, a desire for freedom and liberty?

Americans have the same self respect, initiative and desire for freedom and liberty as they always have

Even more so

 

[daveman]

I'd be only too pleased to review for our Liberal friends:

1.Individualism,

2. Free markets,

3. and Limited constitutional government.

You may as well be speaking in Esperanto, dear. They're not equipped to understand those ideas.

Those are just words my friends, they mean nothing outside of context...

In the context of liberalism, sure, they're meaningless. That's why I said you can't understand them.

And you proved me right. Thanks.

 

[PoliticalChic]

A typical PC retort; no substance, a pound of hyperbole and a quart of mendacity.

How about we plumb the depths of your stupidity...

....well beyond the jejune, you've reached down to the troglodyte level of abject and abysmal asininity.


As you can see, words don't quite fail me in assailing your jaw-dropping attempt to use RFK to excuse the arrogance of demanding other peoples hard-earned assets to support ones licentious lifestyle.... (liar, you have no way to know her private life, and licentious, really - self righteous prig)

You are so ignorant that you use a Kennedy scion to support Fluke's absurd demands...and are unaware that Robert Kennedy's father had his daughter surgically 'altered' so that promiscuity would not stain the family reputation...(liar, liar)

"In 1941, Joseph Kennedy, worried his daughter's mild mental retardation would lead her into situations that could damage the family's reputation, arranged for Rosemary to have a lobotomy. She was 23. (pants on fire)

"Rosemary was a woman, and there was a dread fear of pregnancy, disease and disgrace," author Laurence Leamer wrote in his book "The Kennedy Women: The Saga of an American Family."
Retarded Kennedy sister dies at 86 - Democratic Underground
There are many rumors that he had her sterilized. (lobotomy, if I recall correctly - a medical procedure once considered beneficial)


You would have been far wiser to have chosen Ted Kennedy, the poster child for profligacy...but then you wouldn't be 'you.'


Now, you buffoon, would you like to go on to state that Mother Teresa an Mahatma Gandhi also support Sandra Fluke????

DUNCE.


And....'pound' goes with 'ounces,' and 'gallons' with 'quarts,' nincompoop. (being cavil now? It's called style, to bad you haven't any)

And....use a dictionary to research the meaning of 'mendacity'....you will find that that term in no way applies to me. (Know thyself, it does, it does)
You ignoramus.

Once again you transgress the boundaries of civil discourse and offend the language with your "enchant for promulgating your esoteric cogitations or articulating your superficial sentimentalities, and amicable philosophical or psychological observations"

RSB -- News (Details)

Mendacity forms your entire being, I suppose that will fly over your pompous head too. Stating that Ms. Fluke spoke out of her concern that others pay for her alleged sexual activities was a lie (do you have a primary source for such an allegation?). Of course this is only one of the outrageous allegations you make in this single post. Shame on you.

Your post was overstated, unjust, slanderous, weak, lazy, irresponsible, poorly informed, and misleading. Other than that, I liked it.

I read your link....if you can't keep up, .....don't.

You remain everything I said you were.



You might as well gas up the dinghy and go fishing with Fredo because you are dead to me.

 

[Wry Catcher]

" Ms. Fluke speaks HER mind and reflects the words of RFK: "Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not."

I posted this because I believe Ms. Fluke sees in the New Right an effort by those extremists to put women in their place and asks why. She likely dreams of the day when the Equal Rights Amendment would no longer necessary.

Of course PC needs to attack anyone who disagrees with her world view - not their ideas, but the person. Is there any greater proof that her ideas and opinions are those of a parrot?

 

[daveman]

A typical PC retort; no substance, a pound of hyperbole and a quart of mendacity.

It’s not fair to single-out this particular poster, as a conservative ideologue she knows no substance and can only respond with hyperbole and dogma. The fault lies not with her but with whomever failed to teach her critical thinking skills.

Those are just words my friends, they mean nothing outside of context, especially if you consider the historical reality of the times you worship. Read a bit of history sometime - but allow me again, for maybe the hundred time, to ask what conservatism has done for all the people? No one can answer, as conservatism is merely reactionary partisanship, and when given the reigns of power a complete failure as Bush Jr demonstrated so well. 'All you need is freedom, freedom is all you need....' Sing it enough times and it still means nada. More to it than empty phrases.

Correct.

Reactionaries dream in naïve ignorance of an idealized American past that never existed to begin with.

The reality of America’s past – the past the right longs for – is a past of racism, segregation, and discrimination; a past of restricted liberties, no right to counsel, no right to equal access to the law, no right to due process.

It was only through the efforts of progressives and liberals in the courts – efforts fought every step of the way by the right – which the American dream was finally realized for all Americans.

Never before have I ever seen someone so utterly proud of the fact that he's unable to think for himself.

Mindlessly repeating leftist horseshit does not mean you're intelligent. Quite the opposite.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Americans have the same self respect, initiative and desire for freedom and liberty as they always have

Even more so.

Agreed – the best America is yet to come, provided we survive the bane of conservative reactionaryism, as exhibited by the OP.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If we could only live as our founding father did and believe in the same things, what a glorious adventure we would have.

No paved roads, rum used as an anesthetic, and a life span of around 42 years.

What does that have to do with self-respect, initiative, a desire for freedom and liberty?

Americans have the same self respect, initiative and desire for freedom and liberty as they always have

Even more so

I have no doubt they will recoup same in November,

...after they send “Après moi le Déluge” and his ilk packing.