West's Communist Party claim about Democrats

[kaz]

Inevitable revolution of the working class

That's a process, not an end

So what? It's something Communists believe in

Just because someone is a communist and they believe something doesn't mean that particular belief is communist. Communism is an end. Just because you want to use the ballot box to get government to use it's own guns to enforce your Marxism rather then using your own guns to overthrow the government guns doesn't make you not a Communist. Frankly it's a whole heck of a lot easier and it's working. It's sad that it's working, but it's working because of the same wealth envy that the European Communists used and it ends up in not eliminating a ruling class, just making it based on political power instead of economic achievement.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That's a process, not an end

So what? It's something Communists believe in

Just because someone is a communist and they believe something doesn't mean that particular belief is communist. Communism is an end. Just because you want to use the ballot box to get government to use it's own guns to enforce your Marxism rather then using your own guns to overthrow the government guns doesn't make you not a Communist. Frankly it's a whole heck of a lot easier and it's working. It's sad that it's working, but it's working because of the same wealth envy that the European Communists used and it ends up in not eliminating a ruling class, just making it based on political power instead of economic achievement.

Ahh man you spoiled all the fun by giving away the surprise ending!

 

[kaz]

So what? It's something Communists believe in

Just because someone is a communist and they believe something doesn't mean that particular belief is communist. Communism is an end. Just because you want to use the ballot box to get government to use it's own guns to enforce your Marxism rather then using your own guns to overthrow the government guns doesn't make you not a Communist. Frankly it's a whole heck of a lot easier and it's working. It's sad that it's working, but it's working because of the same wealth envy that the European Communists used and it ends up in not eliminating a ruling class, just making it based on political power instead of economic achievement.

Ahh man you spoiled all the fun by giving away the surprise ending!

You already see it happening pretty clearly. Liberal women let a President who sexually harasses a woman in the white house off. Democrats let tax cheats who are Senate Majority leader and even the guy who headed the committee writing the tax code in the House off when they cheat on their taxes. Buffet can complain he pays a lower tax rate then his secretary when he uses an army of accountants to find any loophole to lower his taxes and his "secretary" is an evil 1 percenter. And Obama can back him up while he pays women in the White House less then men and pays a lower tax rate then his secretary. Who also makes six figures.

And the left is fine with all that. They are just after a political ruling elite, there is not even a pretense they care about people having the same opportunity in their system. You drive liberalism, you can ride in limousines...

 

[JakeStarkey]

And the far right nutters nutter away, trying to ruin MR's candidacy with their stupidities.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Just because someone is a communist and they believe something doesn't mean that particular belief is communist. Communism is an end. Just because you want to use the ballot box to get government to use it's own guns to enforce your Marxism rather then using your own guns to overthrow the government guns doesn't make you not a Communist. Frankly it's a whole heck of a lot easier and it's working. It's sad that it's working, but it's working because of the same wealth envy that the European Communists used and it ends up in not eliminating a ruling class, just making it based on political power instead of economic achievement.

Ahh man you spoiled all the fun by giving away the surprise ending!

You already see it happening pretty clearly. Liberal women let a President who sexually harasses a woman in the white house off. Democrats let tax cheats who are Senate Majority leader and even the guy who headed the committee writing the tax code in the House off when they cheat on their taxes. Buffet can complain he pays a lower tax rate then his secretary when he uses an army of accountants to find any loophole to lower his taxes and his "secretary" is an evil 1 percenter. And Obama can back him up while he pays women in the White House less then men and pays a lower tax rate then his secretary. Who also makes six figures.

And the left is fine with all that. They are just after a political ruling elite, there is not even a pretense they care about people having the same opportunity in their system. You drive liberalism, you can ride in limousines...

And the vast majority of useful idiots think that somehow, because they supported a system with a 100% guaranteed fail rate, they will be better off for it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

See. Frank goes "nutter, nutter".

 

[Dragon]

Just because someone is a communist and they believe something doesn't mean that particular belief is communist.

No, but in this case that belief IS Communist. The revolt of the proletariat and the overthrow of the bourgeoisie is central to Marxist thought. Someone who does not believe in that is not a Communist.

Communism is an end.

It's an end AND a means. What's more, the end is more specifically defined than you want to make out. It's a stateless, classless utopia in which all wealth is shared. You are trying to redefine the concept so that it can be synonymous with liberalism; liberals advocate a certain DEGREE of economic fairness, limitations to inequality, and socialist-leaning methods in pursuit of social justice; that however does NOT make them Communists.

The reason being contained in that word "exactly." To be a Communist, you must believe in EXACTLY what Communists believe in and advocate -- not it's fifth cousin three or four times removed.

 

[Dragon]

Let me add something here. My disagreement with Communists with respect to the goal of a stateless, communist utopia in which everyone shares all wealth is not that this would be a bad thing. It's that it's not possible. Since it's not possible, there's no sense in enduring bad things, like a one-party dictatorship with secret police and gulags, in pursuit of it.

If communism in its end-stage ideal were humanly possible, it would be a very GOOD thing. It's too bad it isn't possible, but there you have it; we live in a real and limited world where not all things can be done just because they seem like a cool idea.

A criticism of some non-Communist idea in that it is a milder, more realistic version of this ultimate Marxist goal really isn't a criticism at all. It's praise.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Let me add something here. My disagreement with Communists with respect to the goal of a stateless, communist utopia in which everyone shares all wealth is not that this would be a bad thing. It's that it's not possible. Since it's not possible, there's no sense in enduring bad things, like a one-party dictatorship with secret police and gulags, in pursuit of it.

If communism in its end-stage ideal were humanly possible, it would be a very GOOD thing. It's too bad it isn't possible, but there you have it; we live in a real and limited world where not all things can be done just because they seem like a cool idea.

A criticism of some non-Communist idea in that it is a milder, more realistic version of this ultimate Marxist goal really isn't a criticism at all. It's praise.

It's inhuman and it fails every time it's tried because, as I said when I first started, it's inhuman

 

[kaz]

And the far right nutters nutter away, trying to ruin MR's candidacy with their stupidities.

If you're normal, I'll pass on being normal...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And the far right nutters nutter away, trying to ruin MR's candidacy with their stupidities.

If you're normal, I'll pass on being normal...

Jake's a lot of things, but normal never makes anyone top 10 things about Jake List

 

[Dragon]

And the far right nutters nutter away, trying to ruin MR's candidacy with their stupidities.

If you're normal, I'll pass on being normal...

I think we figured that out a long time ago, Kaz.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If you're normal, I'll pass on being normal...

Fakey Jake is normally pretty fucking stupid...

 

[MikeK]

Saying we need more failed redistribution and central planning to rescue the US economy is like saying the Titanic should have rammed a second iceberg to try to plug the gaping hole left by the first.

In spite of its perfectly normal corrective cycles, during which even the healthiest economy inhales and exhales, the U.S. Economy was doing just fine when Ronald Reagan introduced the "supply-side" scam, the ultimate effect of which was to redistribute the bulk of our Nation's wealth upward to an emerging financial elite while the formerly solvent middle class gradually became financially stagnant and drifted toward impoverishment.

The objective of the Buffett Rule is not to impoverish the emerging financial ruling class but to aid in a corrective redistribution of America's wealth. Its ultimate purpose is to restore the equitable economic balance that existed prior to the Reagan Revolution. In the simplest terms, the objective is to restore the system of horizontal distribution that existed prior to a deceptive "trickle down" scheme of vertical distribution surreptitiously imposed by a progression of deregulations enacted by a corporatist President and a corrupt and/or incompetent Congress.

The redistribution that began in the early 80s quite obviously is the "failed" one you've referred to above.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Saying we need more failed redistribution and central planning to rescue the US economy is like saying the Titanic should have rammed a second iceberg to try to plug the gaping hole left by the first.

In spite of its perfectly normal corrective cycles, during which even the healthiest economy inhales and exhales, the U.S. Economy was doing just fine when Ronald Reagan introduced the "supply-side" scam, the ultimate effect of which was to redistribute the bulk of our Nation's wealth upward to an emerging financial elite while the formerly solvent middle class gradually became financially stagnant and drifted toward impoverishment.

The objective of the Buffett Rule is not to impoverish the emerging financial ruling class but to aid in a corrective redistribution of America's wealth. Its ultimate purpose is to restore the equitable economic balance that existed prior to the Reagan Revolution. In the simplest terms, the objective is to restore the system of horizontal distribution that existed prior to a deceptive "trickle down" scheme of vertical distribution surreptitiously imposed by a progression of deregulations enacted by a corporatist President and a corrupt and/or incompetent Congress.

The redistribution that began in the early 80s quite obviously is the "failed" one you've referred to above.

WTF is going on here?

Reagan?

You're playbook is 30 years out of date!

It's Booooooooooooooooosh! Airport kiosks! Bank Atms!

 

[Uncensored2008]

In spite of its perfectly normal corrective cycles, during which even the healthiest economy inhales and exhales, the U.S. Economy was doing just fine when Ronald Reagan introduced the "supply-side" scam,


SNIP

Yeah, stagflation is the pinnacle of economic achievement, stupid fuck.


ROFL

Put your dunce cap on and move to the corner, you know the drill...

 

[kaz]

WTF is going on here?

Reagan?

You're playbook is 30 years out of date!

It's Booooooooooooooooosh! Airport kiosks! Bank Atms!

They finally got tired of running against Bush

 

[kaz]

The objective of the Buffett Rule is not to impoverish the emerging financial ruling class but to aid in a corrective redistribution of America's wealth

How are you going to redistribute the money when Buffett doesn't pay it? Or is he the only one who gets a pass on that?

 

[Uncensored2008]

How are you going to redistribute the money when Buffett doesn't pay it? Or is he the only one who gets a pass on that?

I suspect that MikeK traditionally used a .38 snub nose to redistribute liquor store cash drawers...

The difference between armed holdups and Obama is only a matter of scale.

 

[bripat9643]

In spite of its perfectly normal corrective cycles, during which even the healthiest economy inhales and exhales, the U.S. Economy was doing just fine when Ronald Reagan introduced the "supply-side" scam,


SNIP

Yeah, stagflation is the pinnacle of economic achievement, stupid fuck.


ROFL

Put your dunce cap on and move to the corner, you know the drill...

21% interest rates
14% inflation
8% unemployment.

Yeah, that's a great economy!