Were religions the first propagators of Fake News?

[frigidweirdo]

Heaven.

Back in the days before space flight, airplanes etc, they used to say that heaven was up in the clouds.

Then they went into space and found no heaven there. So they changed their story.

The Earth was made in 6 or 7 days and is only 6,000 years old.

Well, we have evidence that this isn't true.

Adam and Eve

We have evidence this isn't true.

We can start with these three.

Are these lies, or are they the truth?

They are allegorical accounts.

Tell me, what do you think the Tower of Babel is about?

Ah, so the Bible isn't true then?

So, what about those people who say it IS true?

Fake news?

Is that what you thought I said.

Do you understand what allegorical means?

Let's use the Tower of Babel as an example. What exactly do you think it means?

Yes, I'm asking YOU whether the Bible is therefore true or not. I mean, it should be a rhetorical question, shouldn't it, we know it's not actually true. But I need to hear it from you that it's not actually true before we can continue.

And I am trying to show you by using an example.

What do you think the Tower of babel is saying? Is what this account tells, true?

I understand what you're trying to do, and it's nice, but... it's not really the point of this, is it?

If I make a nice story about something, it's still a story, right?

The point of this thread is that religion spreads FAKE NEWS. Now, you might spread a story on CNN and it might have a nice moral to it, but that doesn't make it true. It'd still be fake, and it'd still cause the right wing crowd to shout FAKE NEWS.

The other problem comes that there are 2 billion Christians and the vast majority of them think the Bible is true. So, if someone tells people "the Bible is true", then it's fake news.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ve-that-what-is-in-the-bible-is-actually-true

"In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”"

So, 53%, or the people believe the Bible is true. Fake news, huh?

 

[ding]

They are allegorical accounts.

Tell me, what do you think the Tower of Babel is about?

Ah, so the Bible isn't true then?

So, what about those people who say it IS true?

Fake news?

Is that what you thought I said.

Do you understand what allegorical means?

Let's use the Tower of Babel as an example. What exactly do you think it means?

Yes, I'm asking YOU whether the Bible is therefore true or not. I mean, it should be a rhetorical question, shouldn't it, we know it's not actually true. But I need to hear it from you that it's not actually true before we can continue.

And I am trying to show you by using an example.

What do you think the Tower of babel is saying? Is what this account tells, true?

I understand what you're trying to do, and it's nice, but... it's not really the point of this, is it?

If I make a nice story about something, it's still a story, right?

The point of this thread is that religion spreads FAKE NEWS. Now, you might spread a story on CNN and it might have a nice moral to it, but that doesn't make it true. It'd still be fake, and it'd still cause the right wing crowd to shout FAKE NEWS.

The other problem comes that there are 2 billion Christians and the vast majority of them think the Bible is true. So, if someone tells people "the Bible is true", then it's fake news.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ve-that-what-is-in-the-bible-is-actually-true

"In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”"

So, 53%, or the people believe the Bible is true. Fake news, huh?

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

 

[ding]

I wonder what else frigidwierdo doesn’t know but is convinced she does.

Normalization of deviance eventually leads to predictable surprises.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Ah, so the Bible isn't true then?

So, what about those people who say it IS true?

Fake news?

Is that what you thought I said.

Do you understand what allegorical means?

Let's use the Tower of Babel as an example. What exactly do you think it means?

Yes, I'm asking YOU whether the Bible is therefore true or not. I mean, it should be a rhetorical question, shouldn't it, we know it's not actually true. But I need to hear it from you that it's not actually true before we can continue.

And I am trying to show you by using an example.

What do you think the Tower of babel is saying? Is what this account tells, true?

I understand what you're trying to do, and it's nice, but... it's not really the point of this, is it?

If I make a nice story about something, it's still a story, right?

The point of this thread is that religion spreads FAKE NEWS. Now, you might spread a story on CNN and it might have a nice moral to it, but that doesn't make it true. It'd still be fake, and it'd still cause the right wing crowd to shout FAKE NEWS.

The other problem comes that there are 2 billion Christians and the vast majority of them think the Bible is true. So, if someone tells people "the Bible is true", then it's fake news.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ve-that-what-is-in-the-bible-is-actually-true

"In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”"

So, 53%, or the people believe the Bible is true. Fake news, huh?

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

 

[ding]

Is that what you thought I said.

Do you understand what allegorical means?

Let's use the Tower of Babel as an example. What exactly do you think it means?

Yes, I'm asking YOU whether the Bible is therefore true or not. I mean, it should be a rhetorical question, shouldn't it, we know it's not actually true. But I need to hear it from you that it's not actually true before we can continue.

And I am trying to show you by using an example.

What do you think the Tower of babel is saying? Is what this account tells, true?

I understand what you're trying to do, and it's nice, but... it's not really the point of this, is it?

If I make a nice story about something, it's still a story, right?

The point of this thread is that religion spreads FAKE NEWS. Now, you might spread a story on CNN and it might have a nice moral to it, but that doesn't make it true. It'd still be fake, and it'd still cause the right wing crowd to shout FAKE NEWS.

The other problem comes that there are 2 billion Christians and the vast majority of them think the Bible is true. So, if someone tells people "the Bible is true", then it's fake news.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ve-that-what-is-in-the-bible-is-actually-true

"In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”"

So, 53%, or the people believe the Bible is true. Fake news, huh?

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

I’m not avoiding the topic. I am proving that all of your beliefs are based on other people’s lies.

I just showed you an example of your ignorance.

You had no clue what the account of the Tower of Babel was about but you were sure it couldn’t be true. Looks like you were wrong about that.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes, I'm asking YOU whether the Bible is therefore true or not. I mean, it should be a rhetorical question, shouldn't it, we know it's not actually true. But I need to hear it from you that it's not actually true before we can continue.

And I am trying to show you by using an example.

What do you think the Tower of babel is saying? Is what this account tells, true?

I understand what you're trying to do, and it's nice, but... it's not really the point of this, is it?

If I make a nice story about something, it's still a story, right?

The point of this thread is that religion spreads FAKE NEWS. Now, you might spread a story on CNN and it might have a nice moral to it, but that doesn't make it true. It'd still be fake, and it'd still cause the right wing crowd to shout FAKE NEWS.

The other problem comes that there are 2 billion Christians and the vast majority of them think the Bible is true. So, if someone tells people "the Bible is true", then it's fake news.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ve-that-what-is-in-the-bible-is-actually-true

"In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”"

So, 53%, or the people believe the Bible is true. Fake news, huh?

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

I’m not avoiding the topic. I am proving that all of your beliefs are based on other people’s lies.

I just showed you an example of your ignorance.

You had no clue what the account of the Tower of Babel was about but you were sure it couldn’t be true. Looks like you were wrong about that.

Of course they're based on other people's lies. That's the whole point of this topic.

No, you haven't "showed... an example of [my] ignorance" at all.

What you've shown me is something that doesn't have much to do with this topic.

For two thousand years Christianity has grown and grown and grown. In the beginning they told people stuff. They wrote it in Latin, most people couldn't read for a start, and even if they could read that vast majority couldn't read Latin. Why? So they could essentially say whatever they like.

Blasphemy laws are a perfect example. They're laws that say "if you say something we don't like, we'll kill you so we can keep our lies".

That some people not see religion as merely telling moral stories, rather than the truth avoids the FACT that many people believe the Bible is true.

Do you understand that lots of people believe that the Bible is true or not?

 

[ding]

Is that what you thought I said.

Do you understand what allegorical means?

Let's use the Tower of Babel as an example. What exactly do you think it means?

Yes, I'm asking YOU whether the Bible is therefore true or not. I mean, it should be a rhetorical question, shouldn't it, we know it's not actually true. But I need to hear it from you that it's not actually true before we can continue.

And I am trying to show you by using an example.

What do you think the Tower of babel is saying? Is what this account tells, true?

I understand what you're trying to do, and it's nice, but... it's not really the point of this, is it?

If I make a nice story about something, it's still a story, right?

The point of this thread is that religion spreads FAKE NEWS. Now, you might spread a story on CNN and it might have a nice moral to it, but that doesn't make it true. It'd still be fake, and it'd still cause the right wing crowd to shout FAKE NEWS.

The other problem comes that there are 2 billion Christians and the vast majority of them think the Bible is true. So, if someone tells people "the Bible is true", then it's fake news.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ve-that-what-is-in-the-bible-is-actually-true

"In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”"

So, 53%, or the people believe the Bible is true. Fake news, huh?

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

Haven’t we already discussed the age of the earth?

Can you show me where the Bible says the earth is 6000 years old?

It doesn’t.

The Bible does tell an account that there was a beginning of existence and that what we see was created in steps and that we are creatures who come from dust. All amazingly accurate.

 

[ding]

And I am trying to show you by using an example.

What do you think the Tower of babel is saying? Is what this account tells, true?

I understand what you're trying to do, and it's nice, but... it's not really the point of this, is it?

If I make a nice story about something, it's still a story, right?

The point of this thread is that religion spreads FAKE NEWS. Now, you might spread a story on CNN and it might have a nice moral to it, but that doesn't make it true. It'd still be fake, and it'd still cause the right wing crowd to shout FAKE NEWS.

The other problem comes that there are 2 billion Christians and the vast majority of them think the Bible is true. So, if someone tells people "the Bible is true", then it's fake news.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ve-that-what-is-in-the-bible-is-actually-true

"In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”"

So, 53%, or the people believe the Bible is true. Fake news, huh?

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

I’m not avoiding the topic. I am proving that all of your beliefs are based on other people’s lies.

I just showed you an example of your ignorance.

You had no clue what the account of the Tower of Babel was about but you were sure it couldn’t be true. Looks like you were wrong about that.

Of course they're based on other people's lies. That's the whole point of this topic.

No, you haven't "showed... an example of [my] ignorance" at all.

What you've shown me is something that doesn't have much to do with this topic.

For two thousand years Christianity has grown and grown and grown. In the beginning they told people stuff. They wrote it in Latin, most people couldn't read for a start, and even if they could read that vast majority couldn't read Latin. Why? So they could essentially say whatever they like.

Blasphemy laws are a perfect example. They're laws that say "if you say something we don't like, we'll kill you so we can keep our lies".

That some people not see religion as merely telling moral stories, rather than the truth avoids the FACT that many people believe the Bible is true.

Do you understand that lots of people believe that the Bible is true or not?

No. Your beliefs are based on other people’s lies. You have never studied anything. You didn’t even test what you did read. You latched onto something that confirmed your bias and never looked back.

The Bible is true. It just takes a little work to discover it. You’ve never done that.

 

[ding]

And I am trying to show you by using an example.

What do you think the Tower of babel is saying? Is what this account tells, true?

I understand what you're trying to do, and it's nice, but... it's not really the point of this, is it?

If I make a nice story about something, it's still a story, right?

The point of this thread is that religion spreads FAKE NEWS. Now, you might spread a story on CNN and it might have a nice moral to it, but that doesn't make it true. It'd still be fake, and it'd still cause the right wing crowd to shout FAKE NEWS.

The other problem comes that there are 2 billion Christians and the vast majority of them think the Bible is true. So, if someone tells people "the Bible is true", then it's fake news.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ve-that-what-is-in-the-bible-is-actually-true

"In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”"

So, 53%, or the people believe the Bible is true. Fake news, huh?

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

I’m not avoiding the topic. I am proving that all of your beliefs are based on other people’s lies.

I just showed you an example of your ignorance.

You had no clue what the account of the Tower of Babel was about but you were sure it couldn’t be true. Looks like you were wrong about that.

Of course they're based on other people's lies. That's the whole point of this topic.

No, you haven't "showed... an example of [my] ignorance" at all.

What you've shown me is something that doesn't have much to do with this topic.

For two thousand years Christianity has grown and grown and grown. In the beginning they told people stuff. They wrote it in Latin, most people couldn't read for a start, and even if they could read that vast majority couldn't read Latin. Why? So they could essentially say whatever they like.

Blasphemy laws are a perfect example. They're laws that say "if you say something we don't like, we'll kill you so we can keep our lies".

That some people not see religion as merely telling moral stories, rather than the truth avoids the FACT that many people believe the Bible is true.

Do you understand that lots of people believe that the Bible is true or not?

You know what I think? I think you have an ax to grind. I think it is personal for you.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes, I'm asking YOU whether the Bible is therefore true or not. I mean, it should be a rhetorical question, shouldn't it, we know it's not actually true. But I need to hear it from you that it's not actually true before we can continue.

And I am trying to show you by using an example.

What do you think the Tower of babel is saying? Is what this account tells, true?

I understand what you're trying to do, and it's nice, but... it's not really the point of this, is it?

If I make a nice story about something, it's still a story, right?

The point of this thread is that religion spreads FAKE NEWS. Now, you might spread a story on CNN and it might have a nice moral to it, but that doesn't make it true. It'd still be fake, and it'd still cause the right wing crowd to shout FAKE NEWS.

The other problem comes that there are 2 billion Christians and the vast majority of them think the Bible is true. So, if someone tells people "the Bible is true", then it's fake news.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ve-that-what-is-in-the-bible-is-actually-true

"In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”"

So, 53%, or the people believe the Bible is true. Fake news, huh?

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

Haven’t we already discussed the age of the earth?

Can you show me where the Bible says the earth is 6000 years old?

It doesn’t.

The Bible does tell an account that there was a beginning of existence and that what we see was created in steps and that we are creatures who come from dust. All amazingly accurate.

Well the Bible isn't everything.

How Old is the Earth According to the Bible and Science?

"The age of the earth has been a topic of debate among Christians over the last two centuries. Several Christian ministries promote the idea that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, which they say comes from the Bible. In reality, the Bible makes no claim as to the age of the earth, although it does establish a minimum age."

So, do you see? It's a FACT that various parts of Christianity spread FAKE NEWS. They'll even claim the Bible says so.

How Old Is the Earth?

"Adam was created on day 6, so there were five days before him. If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years, using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5 and 11.3 Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago)."

They literally say that the Bible saying "the Earth is 6,000 years old" would be ridiculous, as 2,000 years later it wouldn't be 6,000 years old then, would it?

But then it does say a lot of things that aren't true. We could go through Genesis and see that.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Clearly not true. And it's not even moral. It's basically convenient for humans in that they can say "God made up landlord of this planet", er... did he? No. There's not even any evidence there is a God.

 

[ding]

And I am trying to show you by using an example.

What do you think the Tower of babel is saying? Is what this account tells, true?

I understand what you're trying to do, and it's nice, but... it's not really the point of this, is it?

If I make a nice story about something, it's still a story, right?

The point of this thread is that religion spreads FAKE NEWS. Now, you might spread a story on CNN and it might have a nice moral to it, but that doesn't make it true. It'd still be fake, and it'd still cause the right wing crowd to shout FAKE NEWS.

The other problem comes that there are 2 billion Christians and the vast majority of them think the Bible is true. So, if someone tells people "the Bible is true", then it's fake news.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ve-that-what-is-in-the-bible-is-actually-true

"In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”"

So, 53%, or the people believe the Bible is true. Fake news, huh?

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

Haven’t we already discussed the age of the earth?

Can you show me where the Bible says the earth is 6000 years old?

It doesn’t.

The Bible does tell an account that there was a beginning of existence and that what we see was created in steps and that we are creatures who come from dust. All amazingly accurate.

Well the Bible isn't everything.

How Old is the Earth According to the Bible and Science?

"The age of the earth has been a topic of debate among Christians over the last two centuries. Several Christian ministries promote the idea that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, which they say comes from the Bible. In reality, the Bible makes no claim as to the age of the earth, although it does establish a minimum age."

So, do you see? It's a FACT that various parts of Christianity spread FAKE NEWS. They'll even claim the Bible says so.

How Old Is the Earth?

"Adam was created on day 6, so there were five days before him. If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years, using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5 and 11.3 Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago)."

They literally say that the Bible saying "the Earth is 6,000 years old" would be ridiculous, as 2,000 years later it wouldn't be 6,000 years old then, would it?

But then it does say a lot of things that aren't true. We could go through Genesis and see that.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Clearly not true. And it's not even moral. It's basically convenient for humans in that they can say "God made up landlord of this planet", er... did he? No. There's not even any evidence there is a God.

Of course there is evidence of God. It’s all around and in you. You are just too blind to see it.

So you are going to point to some people’s interpretation that the Bible says the earth is 6000 years old?

What about the ones like me who say it doesn’t say the earth is 6000 years old?

 

[frigidweirdo]

I understand what you're trying to do, and it's nice, but... it's not really the point of this, is it?

If I make a nice story about something, it's still a story, right?

The point of this thread is that religion spreads FAKE NEWS. Now, you might spread a story on CNN and it might have a nice moral to it, but that doesn't make it true. It'd still be fake, and it'd still cause the right wing crowd to shout FAKE NEWS.

The other problem comes that there are 2 billion Christians and the vast majority of them think the Bible is true. So, if someone tells people "the Bible is true", then it's fake news.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ve-that-what-is-in-the-bible-is-actually-true

"In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”"

So, 53%, or the people believe the Bible is true. Fake news, huh?

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

I’m not avoiding the topic. I am proving that all of your beliefs are based on other people’s lies.

I just showed you an example of your ignorance.

You had no clue what the account of the Tower of Babel was about but you were sure it couldn’t be true. Looks like you were wrong about that.

Of course they're based on other people's lies. That's the whole point of this topic.

No, you haven't "showed... an example of [my] ignorance" at all.

What you've shown me is something that doesn't have much to do with this topic.

For two thousand years Christianity has grown and grown and grown. In the beginning they told people stuff. They wrote it in Latin, most people couldn't read for a start, and even if they could read that vast majority couldn't read Latin. Why? So they could essentially say whatever they like.

Blasphemy laws are a perfect example. They're laws that say "if you say something we don't like, we'll kill you so we can keep our lies".

That some people not see religion as merely telling moral stories, rather than the truth avoids the FACT that many people believe the Bible is true.

Do you understand that lots of people believe that the Bible is true or not?

No. Your beliefs are based on other people’s lies. You have never studied anything. You didn’t even test what you did read. You latched onto something that confirmed your bias and never looked back.

The Bible is true. It just takes a little work to discover it. You’ve never done that.

The Bible is true if you twist it so much it looks like something else.

Genesis 1:5 "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

Let's see. We're 5 sentences into Genesis. Is this true? God called the light day? No, humans called the light day because it conforms without OUR VIEW OF THINGS. Day and night doesn't actually exist. It's a concept that only living beings on a planet would come up with. Were we floating free in space there wouldn't be any day and night. It's be all "day". It's be all light.

The sun doesn't go out at night. It's merely the Earth blocks this light.

"And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

Now, on this planet, we have lots of different time zones. Of course time zones are a man made thing. Not that old either, from the times of the trains in the US. Before that "noon" was when the sun was at its highest point.

So, the "evening and the morning were the second day" is done from the perspective of a human in one spot on Earth, and not from a human understanding that there are 24 hours all around the globe. Like a flat Earth kind of thing.

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."

So, there was grass on the Earth after the 2nd day of the planet "existing"? Chances are the planet wasn't even inhabitable for millions of years while it was forming, and then when it settled down, there wasn't grass at first either.

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"

As if God made seasons. The Earth has seasons because it's rotating badly, abnormally. Probably got hit by something, rather than "God made it".

"And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

Mammals have only been on the Earth for 200 million years. So, I doubt that Whales have been on the Earth for billions of years, wouldn't you say?

So, I've only got 21 sentences down through the Bible and I've found lie after lie after lie. Unless of course you can tell me they're true and prove they're true.

Or are we going back to "it's a moral story", and I'd say, how is saying you created Whales on the third day a "moral story"?

 

[frigidweirdo]

I understand what you're trying to do, and it's nice, but... it's not really the point of this, is it?

If I make a nice story about something, it's still a story, right?

The point of this thread is that religion spreads FAKE NEWS. Now, you might spread a story on CNN and it might have a nice moral to it, but that doesn't make it true. It'd still be fake, and it'd still cause the right wing crowd to shout FAKE NEWS.

The other problem comes that there are 2 billion Christians and the vast majority of them think the Bible is true. So, if someone tells people "the Bible is true", then it's fake news.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ve-that-what-is-in-the-bible-is-actually-true

"In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”"

So, 53%, or the people believe the Bible is true. Fake news, huh?

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

I’m not avoiding the topic. I am proving that all of your beliefs are based on other people’s lies.

I just showed you an example of your ignorance.

You had no clue what the account of the Tower of Babel was about but you were sure it couldn’t be true. Looks like you were wrong about that.

Of course they're based on other people's lies. That's the whole point of this topic.

No, you haven't "showed... an example of [my] ignorance" at all.

What you've shown me is something that doesn't have much to do with this topic.

For two thousand years Christianity has grown and grown and grown. In the beginning they told people stuff. They wrote it in Latin, most people couldn't read for a start, and even if they could read that vast majority couldn't read Latin. Why? So they could essentially say whatever they like.

Blasphemy laws are a perfect example. They're laws that say "if you say something we don't like, we'll kill you so we can keep our lies".

That some people not see religion as merely telling moral stories, rather than the truth avoids the FACT that many people believe the Bible is true.

Do you understand that lots of people believe that the Bible is true or not?

You know what I think? I think you have an ax to grind. I think it is personal for you.

You know what I think? I think you've got about as far as your lies will take you and you're having to find a different tactic to "win".

 

[frigidweirdo]

I understand what you're trying to do, and it's nice, but... it's not really the point of this, is it?

If I make a nice story about something, it's still a story, right?

The point of this thread is that religion spreads FAKE NEWS. Now, you might spread a story on CNN and it might have a nice moral to it, but that doesn't make it true. It'd still be fake, and it'd still cause the right wing crowd to shout FAKE NEWS.

The other problem comes that there are 2 billion Christians and the vast majority of them think the Bible is true. So, if someone tells people "the Bible is true", then it's fake news.

https://www.quora.com/What-percenta...ve-that-what-is-in-the-bible-is-actually-true

"In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”In the answer by David R. Carpenter he says “Today, it is estimated that approximately 47% of Americans consider the Bible to be ‘the inspired word of God, but should not be taken literally’”"

So, 53%, or the people believe the Bible is true. Fake news, huh?

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

Haven’t we already discussed the age of the earth?

Can you show me where the Bible says the earth is 6000 years old?

It doesn’t.

The Bible does tell an account that there was a beginning of existence and that what we see was created in steps and that we are creatures who come from dust. All amazingly accurate.

Well the Bible isn't everything.

How Old is the Earth According to the Bible and Science?

"The age of the earth has been a topic of debate among Christians over the last two centuries. Several Christian ministries promote the idea that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, which they say comes from the Bible. In reality, the Bible makes no claim as to the age of the earth, although it does establish a minimum age."

So, do you see? It's a FACT that various parts of Christianity spread FAKE NEWS. They'll even claim the Bible says so.

How Old Is the Earth?

"Adam was created on day 6, so there were five days before him. If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years, using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5 and 11.3 Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago)."

They literally say that the Bible saying "the Earth is 6,000 years old" would be ridiculous, as 2,000 years later it wouldn't be 6,000 years old then, would it?

But then it does say a lot of things that aren't true. We could go through Genesis and see that.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Clearly not true. And it's not even moral. It's basically convenient for humans in that they can say "God made up landlord of this planet", er... did he? No. There's not even any evidence there is a God.

Of course there is evidence of God. It’s all around and in you. You are just too blind to see it.

So you are going to point to some people’s interpretation that the Bible says the earth is 6000 years old?

What about the ones like me who say it doesn’t say the earth is 6000 years old?

No, there isn't.

What you're doing is starting with the concept that God exists and working from there.

Sorry, that's ridiculous.

It's like me saying that dragons exist, therefore dragons exist.

So, why is it that I'm supposedly blind and you're not. What is it that you see that PROVES that God exists?

Yes, I'm going to point to SOMEONE'S INTERPRETATION. Why?

Because you're coming here with YOUR INTERPRETATION and demanding that everyone agree with you. I'm saying I don't agree with you. And then you say "why would you believe someone's interpretation?"

And I'm pointing to their interpretation to PROVE that religion and lies go HAND IN HAND.

If you say "the Earth isn't 6,000 years old" and someone else says "the Earth is 6,000 years old" then one of the two people is clearly lying, aren't they?

Which means, in Trump's era, that one of the two is spreading FAKE NEWS, aren't they?

This is the point of the topic. The topic isn't about whether you believe this or that. It's about whether religions spread fake news, and they clearly do.

If I don't know something and I tell you that it's true, it's fake news. And this is almost all of religion.

 

[ding]

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

I’m not avoiding the topic. I am proving that all of your beliefs are based on other people’s lies.

I just showed you an example of your ignorance.

You had no clue what the account of the Tower of Babel was about but you were sure it couldn’t be true. Looks like you were wrong about that.

Of course they're based on other people's lies. That's the whole point of this topic.

No, you haven't "showed... an example of [my] ignorance" at all.

What you've shown me is something that doesn't have much to do with this topic.

For two thousand years Christianity has grown and grown and grown. In the beginning they told people stuff. They wrote it in Latin, most people couldn't read for a start, and even if they could read that vast majority couldn't read Latin. Why? So they could essentially say whatever they like.

Blasphemy laws are a perfect example. They're laws that say "if you say something we don't like, we'll kill you so we can keep our lies".

That some people not see religion as merely telling moral stories, rather than the truth avoids the FACT that many people believe the Bible is true.

Do you understand that lots of people believe that the Bible is true or not?

No. Your beliefs are based on other people’s lies. You have never studied anything. You didn’t even test what you did read. You latched onto something that confirmed your bias and never looked back.

The Bible is true. It just takes a little work to discover it. You’ve never done that.

The Bible is true if you twist it so much it looks like something else.

Genesis 1:5 "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

Let's see. We're 5 sentences into Genesis. Is this true? God called the light day? No, humans called the light day because it conforms without OUR VIEW OF THINGS. Day and night doesn't actually exist. It's a concept that only living beings on a planet would come up with. Were we floating free in space there wouldn't be any day and night. It's be all "day". It's be all light.

The sun doesn't go out at night. It's merely the Earth blocks this light.

"And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

Now, on this planet, we have lots of different time zones. Of course time zones are a man made thing. Not that old either, from the times of the trains in the US. Before that "noon" was when the sun was at its highest point.

So, the "evening and the morning were the second day" is done from the perspective of a human in one spot on Earth, and not from a human understanding that there are 24 hours all around the globe. Like a flat Earth kind of thing.

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."

So, there was grass on the Earth after the 2nd day of the planet "existing"? Chances are the planet wasn't even inhabitable for millions of years while it was forming, and then when it settled down, there wasn't grass at first either.

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"

As if God made seasons. The Earth has seasons because it's rotating badly, abnormally. Probably got hit by something, rather than "God made it".

"And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

Mammals have only been on the Earth for 200 million years. So, I doubt that Whales have been on the Earth for billions of years, wouldn't you say?

So, I've only got 21 sentences down through the Bible and I've found lie after lie after lie. Unless of course you can tell me they're true and prove they're true.

Or are we going back to "it's a moral story", and I'd say, how is saying you created Whales on the third day a "moral story"?

Why are you reading it literally?

Do you not understand that the account of Genesis was passed down verbally for like 2000 years before it was recorded in writing?

What you read with a critical eye, I read as it was intended. Which is an account of the early world history which begins with the creation of existence. In that regard it is amazingly accurate.

 

[ding]

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

I’m not avoiding the topic. I am proving that all of your beliefs are based on other people’s lies.

I just showed you an example of your ignorance.

You had no clue what the account of the Tower of Babel was about but you were sure it couldn’t be true. Looks like you were wrong about that.

Of course they're based on other people's lies. That's the whole point of this topic.

No, you haven't "showed... an example of [my] ignorance" at all.

What you've shown me is something that doesn't have much to do with this topic.

For two thousand years Christianity has grown and grown and grown. In the beginning they told people stuff. They wrote it in Latin, most people couldn't read for a start, and even if they could read that vast majority couldn't read Latin. Why? So they could essentially say whatever they like.

Blasphemy laws are a perfect example. They're laws that say "if you say something we don't like, we'll kill you so we can keep our lies".

That some people not see religion as merely telling moral stories, rather than the truth avoids the FACT that many people believe the Bible is true.

Do you understand that lots of people believe that the Bible is true or not?

You know what I think? I think you have an ax to grind. I think it is personal for you.

You know what I think? I think you've got about as far as your lies will take you and you're having to find a different tactic to "win".

I nailed it right? Be honest. Tell me your gripe with Christians. You are only as sick as your secrets.

 

[ding]

I don’t believe you do know what I am trying to do.

I believe that the error is yours. You clearly do not know what the account of the Tower of Babel is about.

So there is no possible way for you to know if it is true or not.

I on the other hand do know what it is about and can confirm with 100% accuracy that it is true and correct and did in fact occur.

It’s an allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

But you go right ahead with your limited understanding and your belief that you can’t be wrong.

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

Haven’t we already discussed the age of the earth?

Can you show me where the Bible says the earth is 6000 years old?

It doesn’t.

The Bible does tell an account that there was a beginning of existence and that what we see was created in steps and that we are creatures who come from dust. All amazingly accurate.

Well the Bible isn't everything.

How Old is the Earth According to the Bible and Science?

"The age of the earth has been a topic of debate among Christians over the last two centuries. Several Christian ministries promote the idea that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, which they say comes from the Bible. In reality, the Bible makes no claim as to the age of the earth, although it does establish a minimum age."

So, do you see? It's a FACT that various parts of Christianity spread FAKE NEWS. They'll even claim the Bible says so.

How Old Is the Earth?

"Adam was created on day 6, so there were five days before him. If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years, using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5 and 11.3 Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago)."

They literally say that the Bible saying "the Earth is 6,000 years old" would be ridiculous, as 2,000 years later it wouldn't be 6,000 years old then, would it?

But then it does say a lot of things that aren't true. We could go through Genesis and see that.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Clearly not true. And it's not even moral. It's basically convenient for humans in that they can say "God made up landlord of this planet", er... did he? No. There's not even any evidence there is a God.

Of course there is evidence of God. It’s all around and in you. You are just too blind to see it.

So you are going to point to some people’s interpretation that the Bible says the earth is 6000 years old?

What about the ones like me who say it doesn’t say the earth is 6000 years old?

No, there isn't.

What you're doing is starting with the concept that God exists and working from there.

Sorry, that's ridiculous.

It's like me saying that dragons exist, therefore dragons exist.

So, why is it that I'm supposedly blind and you're not. What is it that you see that PROVES that God exists?

Yes, I'm going to point to SOMEONE'S INTERPRETATION. Why?

Because you're coming here with YOUR INTERPRETATION and demanding that everyone agree with you. I'm saying I don't agree with you. And then you say "why would you believe someone's interpretation?"

And I'm pointing to their interpretation to PROVE that religion and lies go HAND IN HAND.

If you say "the Earth isn't 6,000 years old" and someone else says "the Earth is 6,000 years old" then one of the two people is clearly lying, aren't they?

Which means, in Trump's era, that one of the two is spreading FAKE NEWS, aren't they?

This is the point of the topic. The topic isn't about whether you believe this or that. It's about whether religions spread fake news, and they clearly do.

If I don't know something and I tell you that it's true, it's fake news. And this is almost all of religion.

Have you ever created anything?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

I’m not avoiding the topic. I am proving that all of your beliefs are based on other people’s lies.

I just showed you an example of your ignorance.

You had no clue what the account of the Tower of Babel was about but you were sure it couldn’t be true. Looks like you were wrong about that.

Of course they're based on other people's lies. That's the whole point of this topic.

No, you haven't "showed... an example of [my] ignorance" at all.

What you've shown me is something that doesn't have much to do with this topic.

For two thousand years Christianity has grown and grown and grown. In the beginning they told people stuff. They wrote it in Latin, most people couldn't read for a start, and even if they could read that vast majority couldn't read Latin. Why? So they could essentially say whatever they like.

Blasphemy laws are a perfect example. They're laws that say "if you say something we don't like, we'll kill you so we can keep our lies".

That some people not see religion as merely telling moral stories, rather than the truth avoids the FACT that many people believe the Bible is true.

Do you understand that lots of people believe that the Bible is true or not?

No. Your beliefs are based on other people’s lies. You have never studied anything. You didn’t even test what you did read. You latched onto something that confirmed your bias and never looked back.

The Bible is true. It just takes a little work to discover it. You’ve never done that.

The Bible is true if you twist it so much it looks like something else.

Genesis 1:5 "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

Let's see. We're 5 sentences into Genesis. Is this true? God called the light day? No, humans called the light day because it conforms without OUR VIEW OF THINGS. Day and night doesn't actually exist. It's a concept that only living beings on a planet would come up with. Were we floating free in space there wouldn't be any day and night. It's be all "day". It's be all light.

The sun doesn't go out at night. It's merely the Earth blocks this light.

"And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

Now, on this planet, we have lots of different time zones. Of course time zones are a man made thing. Not that old either, from the times of the trains in the US. Before that "noon" was when the sun was at its highest point.

So, the "evening and the morning were the second day" is done from the perspective of a human in one spot on Earth, and not from a human understanding that there are 24 hours all around the globe. Like a flat Earth kind of thing.

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."

So, there was grass on the Earth after the 2nd day of the planet "existing"? Chances are the planet wasn't even inhabitable for millions of years while it was forming, and then when it settled down, there wasn't grass at first either.

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"

As if God made seasons. The Earth has seasons because it's rotating badly, abnormally. Probably got hit by something, rather than "God made it".

"And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

Mammals have only been on the Earth for 200 million years. So, I doubt that Whales have been on the Earth for billions of years, wouldn't you say?

So, I've only got 21 sentences down through the Bible and I've found lie after lie after lie. Unless of course you can tell me they're true and prove they're true.

Or are we going back to "it's a moral story", and I'd say, how is saying you created Whales on the third day a "moral story"?

Why are you reading it literally?

Do you not understand that the account of Genesis was passed down verbally for like 2000 years before it was recorded in writing?

What you read with a critical eye, I read as it was intended. Which is an account of the early world history which begins with the creation of existence. In that regard it is amazingly accurate.

This isn't about ME. Did you not understand the first, second, third, or even fourth time?

This is about Christians (and other religions) spreading FAKE NEWS.

Why do you read what politicians say literally? When Trump says something, what he's saying doesn't often reflect the facts, but he's spreading a message. It's still him spreading FAKE NEWS with MADE UP "FACTS".

Yes, I understand what Genesis is. It's lies, it's fake news, it's false, it's made up. I get it all. But I've told you a hundred times that this topic isn't about that. It's about people SPREADING FAKE NEWS.

Do you, or do you not accept that people believe the Bible is true or not?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

I’m not avoiding the topic. I am proving that all of your beliefs are based on other people’s lies.

I just showed you an example of your ignorance.

You had no clue what the account of the Tower of Babel was about but you were sure it couldn’t be true. Looks like you were wrong about that.

Of course they're based on other people's lies. That's the whole point of this topic.

No, you haven't "showed... an example of [my] ignorance" at all.

What you've shown me is something that doesn't have much to do with this topic.

For two thousand years Christianity has grown and grown and grown. In the beginning they told people stuff. They wrote it in Latin, most people couldn't read for a start, and even if they could read that vast majority couldn't read Latin. Why? So they could essentially say whatever they like.

Blasphemy laws are a perfect example. They're laws that say "if you say something we don't like, we'll kill you so we can keep our lies".

That some people not see religion as merely telling moral stories, rather than the truth avoids the FACT that many people believe the Bible is true.

Do you understand that lots of people believe that the Bible is true or not?

You know what I think? I think you have an ax to grind. I think it is personal for you.

You know what I think? I think you've got about as far as your lies will take you and you're having to find a different tactic to "win".

I nailed it right? Be honest. Tell me your gripe with Christians. You are only as sick as your secrets.

I'm not playing these childish games. Sorry, go find someone who is willing.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Again, you're trying to avoid the topic. Carry on, I mean I've had religious people avoiding uncomfortable and inconvenient facts for a long time.

Simple fact is the Earth is not 6,000 years old. You can say whatever you like about it all you like, but the fact doesn't change. So this is fake news.

Haven’t we already discussed the age of the earth?

Can you show me where the Bible says the earth is 6000 years old?

It doesn’t.

The Bible does tell an account that there was a beginning of existence and that what we see was created in steps and that we are creatures who come from dust. All amazingly accurate.

Well the Bible isn't everything.

How Old is the Earth According to the Bible and Science?

"The age of the earth has been a topic of debate among Christians over the last two centuries. Several Christian ministries promote the idea that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, which they say comes from the Bible. In reality, the Bible makes no claim as to the age of the earth, although it does establish a minimum age."

So, do you see? It's a FACT that various parts of Christianity spread FAKE NEWS. They'll even claim the Bible says so.

How Old Is the Earth?

"Adam was created on day 6, so there were five days before him. If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years, using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5 and 11.3 Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago)."

They literally say that the Bible saying "the Earth is 6,000 years old" would be ridiculous, as 2,000 years later it wouldn't be 6,000 years old then, would it?

But then it does say a lot of things that aren't true. We could go through Genesis and see that.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Clearly not true. And it's not even moral. It's basically convenient for humans in that they can say "God made up landlord of this planet", er... did he? No. There's not even any evidence there is a God.

Of course there is evidence of God. It’s all around and in you. You are just too blind to see it.

So you are going to point to some people’s interpretation that the Bible says the earth is 6000 years old?

What about the ones like me who say it doesn’t say the earth is 6000 years old?

No, there isn't.

What you're doing is starting with the concept that God exists and working from there.

Sorry, that's ridiculous.

It's like me saying that dragons exist, therefore dragons exist.

So, why is it that I'm supposedly blind and you're not. What is it that you see that PROVES that God exists?

Yes, I'm going to point to SOMEONE'S INTERPRETATION. Why?

Because you're coming here with YOUR INTERPRETATION and demanding that everyone agree with you. I'm saying I don't agree with you. And then you say "why would you believe someone's interpretation?"

And I'm pointing to their interpretation to PROVE that religion and lies go HAND IN HAND.

If you say "the Earth isn't 6,000 years old" and someone else says "the Earth is 6,000 years old" then one of the two people is clearly lying, aren't they?

Which means, in Trump's era, that one of the two is spreading FAKE NEWS, aren't they?

This is the point of the topic. The topic isn't about whether you believe this or that. It's about whether religions spread fake news, and they clearly do.

If I don't know something and I tell you that it's true, it's fake news. And this is almost all of religion.

Have you ever created anything?

In what sense?

Everything I might have created existed before it was created. The atoms weren't made by me. I didn't create those.

Then again I was created.

Are you saying God was created?