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So just exactly how many times does one have to succeed in business to become a success in someone such as yourself's eyes?Until you figure that out, you will NEVER succeed in any business endeavor.
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So just exactly how many times does one have to succeed in business to become a success in someone such as yourself's eyes?Until you figure that out, you will NEVER succeed in any business endeavor.
What are you advocating? Are you some kind of superior being or race, Superman maybe?
The gist of your post claim that anyone who advocates in favor of a living wage is, "Breeding", "superior," "weaker" employees by allowing starvation and slave policies.
Since these are getting long and you quite clearly are getting frazzled as evidenced by your responses become less and less constructive and more and more obtuse to what I am saying we'll go back to square.
You claim I can't see past the nost on my face, so let's do a little exercise. You claim my company should not be in business if it doesn't provide a standard of living wage. Do you honestly think I would be oppossed to a ssytem that could actually function that way? Of course not. As with many liveral ideals yeah it looks great in paper, but in practice and FACT (as in not opinion) it will doom the entire society. That is why I have a problem with your proposal. Not because I want people to be poor, but because I have the ability to see the obvious logistical problems in a society that works that way. It isn't a question of just paying everybody more so they can live, it is a question of what are the consequences for EVERYBODY of doing that?
You seem to be of the belief that my company is doing something wrong because things are harder now than they were before. That simply isn't the case. Again we sell what can best be described as a none neccessity. When economies cycle down people spend less money on the things they don't need. Thus there are fewer orders for our products. Subsequently profits are down. Then it's simply a math problem. Last year we could afford to more employees than we do now because there was high demand for our product, so we had a higher demand for labor. Now there is less demand for our product so now there is a lesser demand for labor. Be honest you don't just want companies to pay a living wage, you would have them gaurantee people jobs for life regardless of ecoomic conditions.
Back to dollars and sense: Your mandate is now in place: all companies including ours must pay x wage which x amount more than it had before. What happens when expenses exceed revenue? Either you figure how to get more revenue (tough when there is little demand for your product) or you downsize. If costs continue to exceed revenue than you probably won't be able to keep business doors open. So what started out as altruistc bleeding heart sentiment to do good by everyone ended up costing everyone their jobs. THAT is the reality of your proposal.
I've been hearing about this forum for several hours now. I am the husband of the gal who will never succeed in any business endeavor as you say. You have alot to learn lad and it's not up to my wife or I to teach you. What is happening now in this country today is the result of a president being duped by two bankers. It haunted this president until the day he died. He said and I quote, "Had I known what they were doing I would never have signed it." This particular president had signed a bill into law that has devastated this country. You go search it out and find out who it was and what the man signed. Being a member of a top notch fortune 500 company you should be able to easily figure out who, what and where. Cheers lad. Rod
Bern,
You have not heard a proposal from me. You have only assumed based on your predisposition to accuse me of trying to bilk your poor little luxury item company by asking that everyone recieve at least enough when they work to pay their avergae daily bills.
You did not know that we already have agency that do this?And who will decide what our "average daily bills" should be?
The guy who spends 20 dollars a day on mocha assochinos and cigarettes average daily bills are not the same as the guy who takes his coffee to work in a thermos and brown bags lunch everyday.
So what we need is a government certified "average daily bill" guide.
Let's see.
Breakfast
1 cup oatmeal per day per person.......
2 cups coffee per day per adult (coffee is bad for minors).....
1 cup juice per person per day
Lunch
2 slices bologna per person per day
2 slices bread per person per day
1 table spoon mustard or mayo but not both per person per day
1 apple per person per day
As much tap water as you want.
need I go on?
You did not know that we already have agency that do this?
Do you work for somene else, retired, welfare or own some sort of business?No and I don't want to know. I think what I spend my money on....let me clarify...
I think that where and on what i spend what little money the government allows me to keep is my business
Do you have employees?if you must know, my wife and i own a business
Obviously by what you say you have ten employees on your payroll. So that means you also have ten writeoffs that are providing something valuble into the scheme of your business or you would not be in a business with an employee based workforce.Please.
Payroll is the single biggest expense in my budget as it is with most small businesses.
Payroll taxes, unemployment taxes, state taxes, federal taxes, workers comp etc etc etc
It certainly seems to me that all those so called write offs cost a hell of a lot of money.
Bern,
You have not heard a proposal from me. You have only assumed based on your predisposition to accuse me of trying to bilk your poor little luxury item company by asking that everyone recieve at least enough when they work to pay their avergae daily bills.