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What will happen if the government took it over?
Rationing
Poor service
Poor quality
Very long wait times
America has the best health care in the world. The trick is to keep the best health care in the world but make it affordable to the middle of america.
What I can't understand is the rightwing conservative obsession that we are somehow looking at a "government takeover" of healthcare.
Where has a Government takeover ever been proposed? Neither the House or Senat bill had anything close the the government taking over healthcare. The only thing proposed was a public option that would provide competition and keep prices down for middle class people
Q. Where has a Government takeover ever been proposed?
A. By Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et al on conservative radio; on Fox "News", and by the 'leadership' of the Republicans in the House and Senate as well as by Chairman Steele.
What I can't understand is the rightwing conservative obsession that we are somehow looking at a "government takeover" of healthcare.
Where has a Government takeover ever been proposed? Neither the House or Senat bill had anything close the the government taking over healthcare. The only thing proposed was a public option that would provide competition and keep prices down for middle class people
Q. Where has a Government takeover ever been proposed?
A. By Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et al on conservative radio; on Fox "News", and by the 'leadership' of the Republicans in the House and Senate as well as by Chairman Steele.
And the government "didn't take over General Motors and Chrysler" either, huh? The public option IS the government; plus they make all the rules for the private insurance sector. That's just a small part of what's in store for American health care.
"We are all about socializing....er...um.....ahh...." - Maxine Waters
What will happen if the government took it over?
Rationing
Poor service
Poor quality
Very long wait times
America has the best health care in the world. The trick is to keep the best health care in the world but make it affordable to the middle of america.
What I can't understand is the rightwing conservative obsession that we are somehow looking at a "government takeover" of healthcare.
Where has a Government takeover ever been proposed? Neither the House or Senat bill had anything close the the government taking over healthcare. The only thing proposed was a public option that would provide competition and keep prices down for middle class people
What will happen if the government took it over?
Rationing
Poor service
Poor quality
Very long wait times
America has the best health care in the world. The trick is to keep the best health care in the world but make it affordable to the middle of america.
What I can't understand is the rightwing conservative obsession that we are somehow looking at a "government takeover" of healthcare.
Where has a Government takeover ever been proposed? Neither the House or Senat bill had anything close the the government taking over healthcare. The only thing proposed was a public option that would provide competition and keep prices down for middle class people
Q. Where has a Government takeover ever been proposed?
A. By Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et al on conservative radio; on Fox "News", and by the 'leadership' of the Republicans in the House and Senate as well as by Chairman Steele.
It is a talking point of the RW used to obfuscate legitimate debate on how health care can be reformed in America; a tactic to protect the status quo which benefits the few at the expense of the many.
But we pay more than any other industrialized country for our #37 ranking
The US is the only country where you can go bankrupt just for getting sick. 60% of personal bankruptcies are because of healthcare costs not financial mismanagement. And the majority of that 60% have healthcare
hey RW....would you rather have some serious surgery here or would you rather go to Oman who is no 8....its cheaper there and the vaunted WHO says they are what 20-30x better then us.....how about it RW....answer me....you said your a stand up guy....well stand up....
I have never been to Oman. I do know they are a fairly wealthy country, so I would not be so quick to condemn their healthcare.
What I did find was..
As of 1999, there were an estimated 1.3 physicians and 2.2 hospital beds per 1,000 people. In 1993, 89% of the population had access to health care services. In 2000, 99% of the population had access to health care services.. During the last 3 decades, the Oman health care system has demonstrated and reported great achievements in health care services and preventive and curative medicine. In 2001, Oman was ranked number 8 by the World Health Organization.
It appears that Oman is a wealthy country that cares about the well being of its citizens. It has invested heavily in its healthcare system and covers 99% of its population. I would guess that if you were to visti Oman, you would find hospitals and equipment acquired in the last 20 years. The only problem is you would find the hospital staffed with foreign doctors.....
Wait a minute...US hospitals are staffed with foreign doctors too.
So I guess the answer you have been waiting for is that I would not have a problem using a hospital in the #8 healthcare country ...Oman
What is the first thing they do when you go to an ER? They check your insurance.
From that point on, your care is determined by your coverage. ERs are there to fix your immediate symptoms. They will do whatever is medically necessary to stabilize your condition.
Once you are stabilized.....your ability to pay will determine what happens next
I have never been to Oman. I do know they are a fairly wealthy country, so I would not be so quick to condemn their healthcare.
What I did find was..
As of 1999, there were an estimated 1.3 physicians and 2.2 hospital beds per 1,000 people. In 1993, 89% of the population had access to health care services. In 2000, 99% of the population had access to health care services.. During the last 3 decades, the Oman health care system has demonstrated and reported great achievements in health care services and preventive and curative medicine. In 2001, Oman was ranked number 8 by the World Health Organization.
It appears that Oman is a wealthy country that cares about the well being of its citizens. It has invested heavily in its healthcare system and covers 99% of its population. I would guess that if you were to visti Oman, you would find hospitals and equipment acquired in the last 20 years. The only problem is you would find the hospital staffed with foreign doctors.....
Wait a minute...US hospitals are staffed with foreign doctors too.
So I guess the answer you have been waiting for is that I would not have a problem using a hospital in the #8 healthcare country ...Oman
Small Country awash in OIL money, ya that is a fair comparison to the US.
Bring it up with Harry Dresden.
He is the one who has been hounding me about whether I would go for treatment in Oman.
Like I said, I would hae no problem with it
1) How can the governing body in control of regulation and standards be 'competition'?
2) No lib still gives any reason as to why they are owed something for their personal care at the expense of another, the government, or the populace
3) No sufficient answer ever given as to why the government would run anything better than the red tape laden, overbloated, failure entitlement systems that they already have in their grasp (and should not be in their grasp)
What I can't understand is the rightwing conservative obsession that we are somehow looking at a "government takeover" of healthcare.
Where has a Government takeover ever been proposed? Neither the House or Senat bill had anything close the the government taking over healthcare. The only thing proposed was a public option that would provide competition and keep prices down for middle class people
Q. Where has a Government takeover ever been proposed?
A. By Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et al on conservative radio; on Fox "News", and by the 'leadership' of the Republicans in the House and Senate as well as by Chairman Steele.
And the government "didn't take over General Motors and Chrysler" either, huh? The public option IS the government; plus they make all the rules for the private insurance sector. That's just a small part of what's in store for American health care.
"We are all about socializing....er...um.....ahh...." - Maxine Waters
Small Country awash in OIL money, ya that is a fair comparison to the US.
Bring it up with Harry Dresden.
He is the one who has been hounding me about whether I would go for treatment in Oman.
Like I said, I would hae no problem with it
look Rw....you can say what you want....if you were in Oman and had somthing go wrong with your Heart or another vital part....and they said we can do it here.....or you could go and have it done back home at a top rated surgery center....i think we know were you would go Rw....so Oman has made great strides in medicine....did they go from 1930's med tech to the 70's medical technology?....that would be considered a great improvement....remember...they are still 3rd world....
I think you are mistaken about Oman. They are not "third world" they are a fairly wealthy nation. I have never been there but unlike other African nations, I would not use the risk of inadequate healthcare as a reason for not going there.
Would I go home if I had an option? sure I would as I would if I were in Texas or Wyoming if I got sick. I would prefer being treated close to home. From what I have read, Oman has pretty decent healthcare and deserves a high rating. Covering 99% of their people is admirable
1) How can the governing body in control of regulation and standards be 'competition'?
2) No lib still gives any reason as to why they are owed something for their personal care at the expense of another, the government, or the populace
3) No sufficient answer ever given as to why the government would run anything better than the red tape laden, overbloated, failure entitlement systems that they already have in their grasp (and should not be in their grasp)
I'm not "owed" a police officer when my house get's broken into either... or a fire department to extinguish it when it's burning, or interstate highways, or NIH to prevent the country from facing an epidemic. But I do pay for these things, whether I use them or not, and I don't get mad at the neighbors when the fire department puts out their blazing house "At my expense."
"Libs" are not freedom hating conspirators. Some things are done far more efficiently at a community level, some at a state level, and some at a federal level. As it turns out, healthcare is done far more efficiently at a federal level. You can disagree with that statement, but making fun of liberals and prattling on about "entitlements" is not constructive.
And since we're talking about existing "entitlements," you don't have to use them either. If you think the police are not doing a good enough job, you can hire private security, armed or otherwise. You can hire someone to install a sprinkler system in your house, or hire someone to stand outside all day with a garden hose in case of fire for god's sake. You're not forced into using these things, but they exist for anyone who needs them.
Q. Where has a Government takeover ever been proposed?
A. By Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et al on conservative radio; on Fox "News", and by the 'leadership' of the Republicans in the House and Senate as well as by Chairman Steele.
And the government "didn't take over General Motors and Chrysler" either, huh? The public option IS the government; plus they make all the rules for the private insurance sector. That's just a small part of what's in store for American health care.
"We are all about socializing....er...um.....ahh...." - Maxine Waters
Actually, the government didn't "take over" GM and Chrysler either. What we did was place conditions on the bailout. If you take our money ...here is what you will have to do. The government is not running either company
The public option is just that....AN OPTION
1) How can the governing body in control of regulation and standards be 'competition'?
2) No lib still gives any reason as to why they are owed something for their personal care at the expense of another, the government, or the populace
3) No sufficient answer ever given as to why the government would run anything better than the red tape laden, overbloated, failure entitlement systems that they already have in their grasp (and should not be in their grasp)
I'm not "owed" a police officer when my house get's broken into either... or a fire department to extinguish it when it's burning, or interstate highways, or NIH to prevent the country from facing an epidemic. But I do pay for these things, whether I use them or not, and I don't get mad at the neighbors when the fire department puts out their blazing house "At my expense."
"Libs" are not freedom hating conspirators. Some things are done far more efficiently at a community level, some at a state level, and some at a federal level. As it turns out, healthcare is done far more efficiently at a federal level. You can disagree with that statement, but making fun of liberals and prattling on about "entitlements" is not constructive.
And since we're talking about existing "entitlements," you don't have to use them either. If you think the police are not doing a good enough job, you can hire private security, armed or otherwise. You can hire someone to install a sprinkler system in your house, or hire someone to stand outside all day with a garden hose in case of fire for god's sake. You're not forced into using these things, but they exist for anyone who needs them.
Aside from the public option, the government micromanaging health care is the government taking over health care.
1) How can the governing body in control of regulation and standards be 'competition'?
2) No lib still gives any reason as to why they are owed something for their personal care at the expense of another, the government, or the populace
3) No sufficient answer ever given as to why the government would run anything better than the red tape laden, overbloated, failure entitlement systems that they already have in their grasp (and should not be in their grasp)
I'm not "owed" a police officer when my house get's broken into either... or a fire department to extinguish it when it's burning, or interstate highways, or NIH to prevent the country from facing an epidemic. But I do pay for these things, whether I use them or not, and I don't get mad at the neighbors when the fire department puts out their blazing house "At my expense."
"Libs" are not freedom hating conspirators. Some things are done far more efficiently at a community level, some at a state level, and some at a federal level. As it turns out, healthcare is done far more efficiently at a federal level. You can disagree with that statement, but making fun of liberals and prattling on about "entitlements" is not constructive.
And since we're talking about existing "entitlements," you don't have to use them either. If you think the police are not doing a good enough job, you can hire private security, armed or otherwise. You can hire someone to install a sprinkler system in your house, or hire someone to stand outside all day with a garden hose in case of fire for god's sake. You're not forced into using these things, but they exist for anyone who needs them.
The difference between things for a populace and things for individuals is quite easy to understand.... you see... you and I can both use a road, a park... it is public domain... your body and your personal well being is not....
There is ZERO evidence that any healthcare done at any federal level is 'efficient' but nice try
