We must go back to a fairer early 20th century system of doing things

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    I'm watching the Men that built America on the history channel. I'll tell you the model for remaining number one is in the late 19th century and early 20th century when a man could become as powerful as hell pleased.

    Why is it good for innovation? Simply because under this system a man would work really fucking hard to come up with new idea's and drive our nation forward. This is why we had electricity, light bulbs, trains, rail-tracks, oil, steel, cars, trucks, trains, etc. Without a strong reason to innovate why would anyone want to invite and create wealth for our nation? Today China is kicking our ass for just this reason! Now I'll admit that workers deserve high working standards and fair pay. Again fair pay is what the market rates it at...This is a law of economics!

    If we wish to remain the most powerful economic engine on earth. We're going to have to relearn how and why we became such in the first place. The rich must want to invest not only within our national interest but within theirs. Yes, there's nothing what so ever wrong with a man becoming filthy fucking rich for good idea's.

    This is something we learn or die on. I agree that the workers deserves a clean work place with a fair market place wage. We can agree on that?
     
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    Gates and Jobs managed to do just fine. There's no need to go back to keeping the majority down, just so they could have a little extra. Libertarians always say you only have to work harder and improve yourself, totally disregarding those who would put up barriers so that won't happen, if they can.
     
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    Yeah...going back to the days of the Robber Baron's is JUST what we need to do. Screw the workers, the environment and poor people.
     
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    The massive resources of space is the only way we can bring up all of humanity to our standards. This takes massive capital....A system of innovation and great wealth is necessary to get at it.

    It takes money to make a money(a lot more money) You on the left don't want to fuck up the planet? well, to sustain human advancement and have high standards we must tap our solar system.
     
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    I have actually lived for short times as they did prior to WW1. No thank you. Ever use and outhouse at -20 degrees? And experiance not to be missed.
     
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    We must not and we can not – reactionaryism is a failed dogma, the refuge of cowards and tyrants.
     
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    You've heard of Planetary Resources? That's a step in the right direction.
     
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    The market didn't do a very good job rating fair pay during the late 19th/early 20th century which is partly the reason why unions were born.

    What was so fair about the early 20th? Little or no capital gains tax?
     
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    Yeah, and while you were watching that program, did you happen to catch what Henry Ford did? After fighting tooth and nail to be given permission to build his cars, he came up with the assembly line and paid workers a LIVING WAGE of 5 bucks/day, while other car makers were paying their workers only 2 bucks/day.

    Henry Ford helped to create the middle class by doing that, and also managed to help drive the economy as his workers were finally able to not only survive, but save up and buy other products (like his cars) as well.

    Too bad Wal-Mart and other large corporations didn't feel that way. I mean, you have to work there for 6 years to get from minimum wage up to around 11.50, which means that even after 6 years of good work and steady raises, you still only make around 1800/mo.
     
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    SPOILER ALERT:

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    You have not gotten to the episode where Henry Ford had to go to court to be able to build his own cars.
     

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