'we have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt'

[Political Junky]

What a kook.

It makes a lot more sense than cutting ones salary to help them get out of debt, as in cutting taxes [the country's income].

 

[MaggieMae]

What a kook.

Are you talking about the stimulus? Because it is working. Not working fast enough for you? Too fucking bad. Its July 2009. Boy you right wingers really want fast results.

If your guy was in charge, you would be saying the economy was great, so who gives a fuck what you think or say. I just have to combat your ignorance because it seems like the right wing machine is working overtime.

The spending is fixing infrastructure and putting people to work and extending unemployment bene's.

In other words, things would be worse without it.

And the stimulis is not the solution. Its just buying us time while the Dems come up with the long term fixes and solutions.

You just don't want us to fix anything that is broken because your party benefits from the status quo. Your ceo's love the healthcare mess. Haloburton/Blackwater love the wars. The oil companies don't want alternative energy. Companies don't want to stop pollution because it will cost them money. You don't want unions because then you'll have to pay us more. You dont' want to bring jobs back home or fix nafta. You don't want to kick the illegal cheap labor out.

The Grand Obstructionist Party

Do you ever provide any facts to back up your opinions?

Yeah, the stimulus is really working...

Unemployment is going to be over 10%!

All you ever do is regurgitate the same crap, KMAN. Do you ever check YOUR facts beforehand? If so, you would have looked at some of the websites closely following the stimulus money. I've posted this one many times, and others that have come after this one. You can find every state, and read how it is using stimulus money (or in some cases, not because of their own internal bickering).

Chart: Tracking States’ Spending Sites - ProPublica

Unemployment began rising in 2007, and began increasing by alarming numbers all through 2008, reaching 1.3 million lost jobs in November and December 2008 alone, which only told part of the story (see WSJ link below). It is equally stupid to blame Obama for continued job losses when the dominos began to fall long before he was inaugurated.

Broader Unemployment Rate Hits 12.5% - Real Time Economics - WSJ

 

[Annie]

Are you talking about the stimulus? Because it is working. Not working fast enough for you? Too fucking bad. Its July 2009. Boy you right wingers really want fast results.

If your guy was in charge, you would be saying the economy was great, so who gives a fuck what you think or say. I just have to combat your ignorance because it seems like the right wing machine is working overtime.

The spending is fixing infrastructure and putting people to work and extending unemployment bene's.

In other words, things would be worse without it.

And the stimulis is not the solution. Its just buying us time while the Dems come up with the long term fixes and solutions.

You just don't want us to fix anything that is broken because your party benefits from the status quo. Your ceo's love the healthcare mess. Haloburton/Blackwater love the wars. The oil companies don't want alternative energy. Companies don't want to stop pollution because it will cost them money. You don't want unions because then you'll have to pay us more. You dont' want to bring jobs back home or fix nafta. You don't want to kick the illegal cheap labor out.

The Grand Obstructionist Party

Do you ever provide any facts to back up your opinions?

Yeah, the stimulus is really working...

Unemployment is going to be over 10%!

All you ever do is regurgitate the same crap, KMAN. Do you ever check YOUR facts beforehand? If so, you would have looked at some of the websites closely following the stimulus money. I've posted this one many times, and others that have come after this one. You can find every state, and read how it is using stimulus money (or in some cases, not because of their own internal bickering).

Chart: Tracking States’ Spending Sites - ProPublica

Unemployment began rising in 2007, and began increasing by alarming numbers all through 2008, reaching 1.3 million lost jobs in November and December 2008 alone, which only told part of the story (see WSJ link below). It is equally stupid to blame Obama for continued job losses when the dominos began to fall long before he was inaugurated.

Broader Unemployment Rate Hits 12.5% - Real Time Economics - WSJ

But no where near the rate since Obama has taken office. It will increase ever more rapidly as his policies take hold and YOU know it. The unemployment figures are directly related to Obama, not his predecessor.

 

[Fatality]

What a kook.

It makes a lot more sense than cutting ones salary to help them get out of debt, as in cutting taxes [the country's income].

the countries income? what kind of stupid ignorant shit is that?

 

[Soaring]

What mess? You, Bush, McCain and Rush said that everything was fine. We tried but you guys obstructed. I think you did it on purpose. You love that wages are low and you love breaking unions. And the mess you caused allowed you to give your banker buddies trillions of dollars.

What caused the housing crash? Because most of the people looking for jobs and getting hired at my company came from the mortgage industry. The predatory lending and overvaluing houses and selling toxic assets to banks, which caused the bankers to need a bailout, all happened because of GOP policies.

Jobs have been going overseas long before Pelosi. People were worried about their jobs, even if they had them. And people who found new jobs found themselves making less. So no one is/was spending.

I could go on and on about why your reply is sooo wrong.

Tell me what bills Pelosi/Reed passed that caused unemployment to go up so much.

We were telling you guys since 2003 that GOP policies were going to cause a mess, but you didn't listen. That was 3 years into Bush's presidency. You didn't believe us. Now 6 months into Obama's presidency, you want to tell us his policies are going to cause doom? Got news for you. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Iraq has something to do with our problems too. The GOP shouldn't have lied us into that war. Can't take that back, can you?

You keep asking for what bills Pelosi and Reed passed to cause unemployment to skyrocket. I find it funny that you are not asking why did they do nothing? If you knew in 2003 the wreck was coming and did nothing in 2007 to slow it down, what does that say about democratic leadership?

Do you have a quote from me that said everything was fine or are you trying to put words in my mouth?

like all clowns, you give me a good chuckle.

I have been arguing with clowns like you since 1988. No quote from you, but I got ones from McCain, Bush and Romney.

So you can not tell me what Pelosi/Reed did, because it was GOP policies that caused it. Exactly.

And they didn't have the votes to get past Bush's veto pen even if they tried.

By the way, it is hard to tell if clowns like you really believe what you are saying or do you even realize that you are being told what to say? Certainly you are wrong. But what is amazing is just how on point your message is. You sound a lot like Rish/hannity/o'reilly/savage and every other right wing tool. The question is, will it work. I seriously doubt it. Loser.

Here are your marching orders stupid:

Republicans are seeking to build on public anxiety and drape the weak economy around the necks of President Obama and the Democratic Congress if they hope to make gains in the 2010 congressional elections. Their daily, relentless message leaves little doubt that this is exactly what they intend to do as they hammer at the president’s $787 billion stimulus package (PL 111-5) and the growing national debt.

The GOP also are tying the Democrats’ key legislative initiatives on global warming and energy and health care to the economy, charging that legislation pushed by Obama and his Democratic allies includes huge middle-class tax increases that would cripple the economy at exactly the wrong moment.

“We’re going to take the gloves off on the economy,” said Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana, chairman of the House Republican Conference. “I’m going to be a one-trick pony on the economy for a while.”

You complain about what the repubs are trying to do to get this country back on track economically, and yet you actually believe that global warming is taking place because of what man is doing, and you actually believe a national health plan will solve our health issues, and you actually believe that we don't need to drill for more oil and build more Nuclear plants to ease the need for foreign oil, and you actually believe that all these taxes that Obama wants to instigate are not targeted at the middle class?
I have a bridge in Arizona that I will sell you where you can see the sea.

 

[MaggieMae]

Only a couple of years actually. The deficit was actually going DOWN before Dems got control.

Blaming Boooooosh is really the refuge of the lazy, sloppy analyst.

Bush's budget deficit reductions were a sham. All the pretty graphs in the world don't account for (pun intended) the fuzzy math used, the best explanation for which can be found in this 4-page brief analysis (specifically Footnote #1) by the GAO.

http://www.gao.gov/financial/fy2007/cgstatement.pdf

 

[MaggieMae]

We will be into Obama's second term and have 10% unemployment and it will still be Bush's fault according to booboo and jillian... LOL

And me... and everyone else with half a brain.

 

[MaggieMae]

We will be into Obama's second term and have 10% unemployment and it will still be Bush's fault according to booboo and jillian... LOL

Well the idea that it is Obama's fault is rediculous. You're acting like Obama didn't inherit Bush's mess. Your lie isn't any more true today than it was the first day Obama took office.

Now you can maybe make a case that Obama's plans aren't working, but you can't say the mess we are in is his fault. Oh, and you can make a case, but you would still be wrong/lying.

Please explain to us how unemployment ISN'T the GOP's fault when from 2000-2006 they:

Got hit on 9-11, which caused a recession.

The GOP gave tax breaks to companies going overseas.

Their tinkering and deregulations with wallstreet and the housing market caused the housing crash and stock market crash

Their tax breaks didn't create jobs

Tell us what new laws Pelosi & Reed got passed between 2007 and 2008 that created this mess.

A little gem brom Barney Frank and Melvin Watt when Mr Bush tried to introduce stricter regulation way back in 2003"

”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ‘‘The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.

I give up. Day in and day out, along with others here we post link after link after link PROVING how that misconception has been PROVEN wrong, yet here you are again, day in and day out, belching out the same bunch of uneducated CRAP. It's reached the point where I feel like I'm trying to explain to a fat person why eating a box of cookies after gorging on a Big Mac probably will add more calories, and he looks at me with big dumb eyes and says HUH?

Listen up, folks: IGNORANCE is curable. STUPIDITY is not. If you can comprehend, do some homework. If you can't, then you'd be wiser to just shut up and have people only think you're a fool, rather than knowing you're one.

 

[MaggieMae]

I here you....

Dec 2006 unemployment was an atrocious 4.4%. Bush kept harping on education during his presidency and unemployment rate for in 2007 with some college was 3.6% and if you had at least a bachelor's degree then unemployment was 2.0%.

I agree with you that Pelosi and Reed ain't the brightest light-bulbs in the box. For two years they had the ability to stop the mess before it went out of control, and they did nothing.

What mess? You, Bush, McCain and Rush said that everything was fine. We tried but you guys obstructed. I think you did it on purpose. You love that wages are low and you love breaking unions. And the mess you caused allowed you to give your banker buddies trillions of dollars.

What caused the housing crash? Because most of the people looking for jobs and getting hired at my company came from the mortgage industry. The predatory lending and overvaluing houses and selling toxic assets to banks, which caused the bankers to need a bailout, all happened because of GOP policies.

Jobs have been going overseas long before Pelosi. People were worried about their jobs, even if they had them. And people who found new jobs found themselves making less. So no one is/was spending.

I could go on and on about why your reply is sooo wrong.

Tell me what bills Pelosi/Reed passed that caused unemployment to go up so much.

We were telling you guys since 2003 that GOP policies were going to cause a mess, but you didn't listen. That was 3 years into Bush's presidency. You didn't believe us. Now 6 months into Obama's presidency, you want to tell us his policies are going to cause doom? Got news for you. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Iraq has something to do with our problems too. The GOP shouldn't have lied us into that war. Can't take that back, can you?

You keep asking for what bills Pelosi and Reed passed to cause unemployment to skyrocket. I find it funny that you are not asking why did they do nothing? If you knew in 2003 the wreck was coming and did nothing in 2007 to slow it down, what does that say about democratic leadership?

Do you have a quote from me that said everything was fine or are you trying to put words in my mouth?

like all clowns, you give me a good chuckle.

What is it they should have done? In 2007, while the housing market began to slow, there was still no hair on fire warning of a pending collapse. NO ONE could predict what would happen one year later.

FRB: Testimony, Bernanke--The economic outlook--March 28, 2007
Chairman Ben S. Bernanke
The economic outlook
Before the Joint Economic Committee, U.S. Congress
March 28, 2007

 

[MaggieMae]

What mess? You, Bush, McCain and Rush said that everything was fine. We tried but you guys obstructed. I think you did it on purpose. You love that wages are low and you love breaking unions. And the mess you caused allowed you to give your banker buddies trillions of dollars.

What caused the housing crash? Because most of the people looking for jobs and getting hired at my company came from the mortgage industry. The predatory lending and overvaluing houses and selling toxic assets to banks, which caused the bankers to need a bailout, all happened because of GOP policies.

Jobs have been going overseas long before Pelosi. People were worried about their jobs, even if they had them. And people who found new jobs found themselves making less. So no one is/was spending.

I could go on and on about why your reply is sooo wrong.

Tell me what bills Pelosi/Reed passed that caused unemployment to go up so much.

We were telling you guys since 2003 that GOP policies were going to cause a mess, but you didn't listen. That was 3 years into Bush's presidency. You didn't believe us. Now 6 months into Obama's presidency, you want to tell us his policies are going to cause doom? Got news for you. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Iraq has something to do with our problems too. The GOP shouldn't have lied us into that war. Can't take that back, can you?

You keep asking for what bills Pelosi and Reed passed to cause unemployment to skyrocket. I find it funny that you are not asking why did they do nothing? If you knew in 2003 the wreck was coming and did nothing in 2007 to slow it down, what does that say about democratic leadership?

Do you have a quote from me that said everything was fine or are you trying to put words in my mouth?

like all clowns, you give me a good chuckle.

I have been arguing with clowns like you since 1988. No quote from you, but I got ones from McCain, Bush and Romney.

So you can not tell me what Pelosi/Reed did, because it was GOP policies that caused it. Exactly.

And they didn't have the votes to get past Bush's veto pen even if they tried.

By the way, it is hard to tell if clowns like you really believe what you are saying or do you even realize that you are being told what to say? Certainly you are wrong. But what is amazing is just how on point your message is. You sound a lot like Rish/hannity/o'reilly/savage and every other right wing tool. The question is, will it work. I seriously doubt it. Loser.

Here are your marching orders stupid:

Republicans are seeking to build on public anxiety and drape the weak economy around the necks of President Obama and the Democratic Congress if they hope to make gains in the 2010 congressional elections. Their daily, relentless message leaves little doubt that this is exactly what they intend to do as they hammer at the president’s $787 billion stimulus package (PL 111-5) and the growing national debt.

The GOP also are tying the Democrats’ key legislative initiatives on global warming and energy and health care to the economy, charging that legislation pushed by Obama and his Democratic allies includes huge middle-class tax increases that would cripple the economy at exactly the wrong moment.

“We’re going to take the gloves off on the economy,” said Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana, chairman of the House Republican Conference. “I’m going to be a one-trick pony on the economy for a while.”

If Republicans make big gains in 2010, it won't be because they've got better solutions. It will be because the American people expected all our economic problems to be "fixed" (as promised) in two years, forgetting how we got to where we're at. The pubs will then go on to do nothing, and we'll be back to the status quo as it was around summer of 2005, except that more people will be unemployed, more families will be homeless, more families on government welfare and medical assistance, which will require scrambling for funding just to accommodate another round of growing anxiety among the people.

 

[MaggieMae]

Okay let me see if I understand our Vice Presidents logic here, if a Govt. goes out and opens up a new credit card with a billion dollar line of credit and max's it out then opens anohter and anohter and another in the hopes that by doing so he can create revenue before the bills come due is sort of like saying if I bet enough at blackjack I will eventually break even. The do have clinics for that sort of addiction. The facts are you need to pay down the deficit and limit spending while cutting programs and taxes even Bill Clinton understood that. You cannot spend your way into a healthy economy regardless of what some new age pie in the sky economist may have you believe.

If you invest (spend) $100 in a Blue Chip stock, do you expect it to just sit there or lose it all? No. You hope it will pay at least a small dividend. We're not talking about simple credit card overspending here, and we're not talking about casino gambling (although casinos are smart enough to have the money to back up winning streaks, unlike our major financial institutions).

This is not a "normal" economy, for one thing. To do nothing would accomplish nothing. Simple.

 

[MaggieMae]

And people are still in denial about how Palin flayed Biden in their debate making him come across as a lying idiot.

 

[MaggieMae]

the reason for the need is the dead end spending done by bush for 8 years...military spending does not generate the same return as spending in the private sector. only about 25% of the monies have been released...it will be interesting to see if there are any new jobs?

oh good fucking god, bush? obama owns this economy he spent more than bushy could have ever fucking hoped to spend. give it a rest, the song is as bad as listening to "born to be wild" for the upteenth bazillion time, it just doesnt compute.

Of course it doesn't compute, if you are clueless to begin with. Try educating yourself.

 

[MaggieMae]

He has only spent 10% of the stimulis so far idiot.

as if the rest wont get spent by liberal maniacs unless otherwise stopped.

Most say he hasn't spent enough

most liberal maniac welfare recipients who sit on the corner wiht their thumb up their ass and their other hand out waiting for their master to come along and put something into it.

but he's making sure the money isn't pissed away like Bush pissed money away.

oh, good god, billions to acorn [huh?], taking over a car company, funding algea research as it relates to the asshole of an ameba [huh?], what the fuck! thats what you call not pissing money away?

good gawd you people are dumb.

And you're just plain funny.

 

[MaggieMae]

as if the rest wont get spent by liberal maniacs unless otherwise stopped.



most liberal maniac welfare recipients who sit on the corner wiht their thumb up their ass and their other hand out waiting for their master to come along and put something into it.

oh, good god, billions to acorn, taking over a car company, funding algea research as it relates to the asshole of an ameba, what the fuck! thats what you call not pissing money away?

good gawd you people are dumb.

link to what, what the fuck do you want a link to?

of good gawd yes i would, fuck them.

you brain dead morons cant get enough of saying "this or that is the reason for losing" dipshit, john mccain was the reason for losing.

3. Acorn again. Shows your ignorance and how you are a right wing brainwashed partisan hack. Acorn schmaycorn.

dumb fucker, your blind eye to billions being stolen from people to feed a corrupt organization under investigation by the fbi is proof of your political hackery

Stimulus bill funds ACORN despite its history of corruption | Washington Examiner

http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/media/pdfs/20090707HousingCrisisReport.pdf

First link is debunked. Acorn will be able to bid on certain community projects just as any other qualified organization for the specific project will. The Washington Examiner is another CONSERVATIVE rag that embellishes facts. Second link is NOT the finding of the Oversight Committee, but INCOMPLETE findings of the ranking member.

 

[MaggieMae]

Do you ever provide any facts to back up your opinions?

Yeah, the stimulus is really working...

Unemployment is going to be over 10%!

All you ever do is regurgitate the same crap, KMAN. Do you ever check YOUR facts beforehand? If so, you would have looked at some of the websites closely following the stimulus money. I've posted this one many times, and others that have come after this one. You can find every state, and read how it is using stimulus money (or in some cases, not because of their own internal bickering).

Chart: Tracking States’ Spending Sites - ProPublica

Unemployment began rising in 2007, and began increasing by alarming numbers all through 2008, reaching 1.3 million lost jobs in November and December 2008 alone, which only told part of the story (see WSJ link below). It is equally stupid to blame Obama for continued job losses when the dominos began to fall long before he was inaugurated.

Broader Unemployment Rate Hits 12.5% - Real Time Economics - WSJ

But no where near the rate since Obama has taken office. It will increase ever more rapidly as his policies take hold and YOU know it. The unemployment figures are directly related to Obama, not his predecessor.

NO, I don't "know" that, and neither do you. Companies have not been laying off and/or folding because of Obama. It's because they could not get continued credit to run their businesses and ultimately meet their payrolls. Again, how is that all Obama's fault? Then and now?

 

[Fatality]

the reason for the need is the dead end spending done by bush for 8 years...military spending does not generate the same return as spending in the private sector. only about 25% of the monies have been released...it will be interesting to see if there are any new jobs?

oh good fucking god, bush? obama owns this economy he spent more than bushy could have ever fucking hoped to spend. give it a rest, the song is as bad as listening to "born to be wild" for the upteenth bazillion time, it just doesnt compute.

Of course it doesn't compute, if you are clueless to begin with. Try educating yourself.

i expect you to do exactly what you are doing.

 

[MaggieMae]

What a kook.

It makes a lot more sense than cutting ones salary to help them get out of debt, as in cutting taxes [the country's income].

the countries income? what kind of stupid ignorant shit is that?

The Treasury.

 

[Soaring]

the reason for the need is the dead end spending done by bush for 8 years...military spending does not generate the same return as spending in the private sector. only about 25% of the monies have been released...it will be interesting to see if there are any new jobs?

oh good fucking god, bush? obama owns this economy he spent more than bushy could have ever fucking hoped to spend. give it a rest, the song is as bad as listening to "born to be wild" for the upteenth bazillion time, it just doesnt compute.

Of course it doesn't compute, if you are clueless to begin with. Try educating yourself.

Try educating yourself dipshit. This economy belongs to Obama.

 

[MaggieMae]

oh good fucking god, bush? obama owns this economy he spent more than bushy could have ever fucking hoped to spend. give it a rest, the song is as bad as listening to "born to be wild" for the upteenth bazillion time, it just doesnt compute.

Of course it doesn't compute, if you are clueless to begin with. Try educating yourself.

i expect you to do exactly what you are doing.

I will. My sole purpose is to educate people just like you. Hopefully at some point there will be a spark and you'll decide to read a wider variety of information upon which to base opinions.