We cannot win in iraq.

[1776]

Strange...in another thread you are washing the hands of losertarians that demanded total surrender of Iraq by pulling out but then say the US military should be given the chance to win the war at all costs.

When you make the US military go home from Iraq, you don't support their previous efforts....and thus hold any blame for a collapse afterwards.

We will never "win" another war until Politicians let the Military actually "fight" the war.

There are no "RULES OF ENGAGEMENT in war.

Agreed. We're the only country in the world and we're the only top power in the history of man that uses our military endlessly for purposes other than our own interest, yet we're continually undercut by our "allies" who are acting in their own interest. And when we go into these hell holes, we try to fight a clean war and go to ridiculous lengths to avoid civilian casualties.

Wars are either worth fighting, which means you do what you have to win and pay the price of killing non-combatants along the way to win it or you stay out of it. This endless quest we have to fight barbarians with Marcus of Queensbury rules has to end.

 

[Antares]

No rules of engagement? Then no human rights abuses, either, right? Just give a bunch of people some rifles and let them do whatever, right?

That's a great plan. It worked great in Vice City and San Andreas.

It is what it is.
War is war, and you don't hamstring your military because you are worried about hurting somebodies feelers.

 

[kaz]

Strange...in another thread you are washing the hands of losertarians that demanded total surrender of Iraq by pulling out but then say the US military should be given the chance to win the war at all costs.

When you make the US military go home from Iraq, you don't support their previous efforts....and thus hold any blame for a collapse afterwards.

We will never "win" another war until Politicians let the Military actually "fight" the war.

There are no "RULES OF ENGAGEMENT in war.

Agreed. We're the only country in the world and we're the only top power in the history of man that uses our military endlessly for purposes other than our own interest, yet we're continually undercut by our "allies" who are acting in their own interest. And when we go into these hell holes, we try to fight a clean war and go to ridiculous lengths to avoid civilian casualties.

Wars are either worth fighting, which means you do what you have to win and pay the price of killing non-combatants along the way to win it or you stay out of it. This endless quest we have to fight barbarians with Marcus of Queensbury rules has to end.

Your conclusion is just stupid. I'm not to blame for losing a war I didn't want to be in from the beginning. That's on the politicians.

However, I am also saying if we are going to send our troops, their hands should not be tied as we endlessly do. Iraq was not a failure of the troops. It was a political failure.

That we don't see these things through is yet another reason we shouldn't be there to begin with.