We banned a flag not too long ago...HEY what about this one? A very long rant...

[Conservative65]

I guess that's what happens when you see over 70% of black babies born as bastards.

I don't think that word means what you think it means anymore.

Fact is, lots of kids are born outside of legal marriage, and lots of them are products of divorce. Maybe it's the concept of marriage that's become obsolete.

How is a person whose parents never legally married but were together the whole time they were growing up "bastards", but the kid whose father walked out on his marriage when he was six month old not?

It means what the dictionary says it means. I use it by that meaning. You know, the one that says a child born out of wedlock. If you don't think it means that, you ignore what the dictionary says.

Fact is, a lot more kids are born bastards.

If you go by the definition, if the parents weren't legally married, they are a bastard child. Being together but not legally married is nothing more than a business deal. If the piece of shit father walked out of the MARRIAGE when the child was 6 months old, the child doesn't mean the definition. That's not hard to understand.

Maybe it's the sorry outlook that people will have kids without being married then go their separate ways that has changed.

 

[BULLDOG]

It's what the rest of the people who live here believe about lowlifes like you. We put up gates to keep YOUR KIND out.

You mean you think I'd want to go into your inbred and stupid part of the country?

You had your stash of playboys? We had the real thing. While you were jacking off to pictures of it, we were getting it.

So you are saying as a pre-teen, you were having sex, Cooter?

I guess that happens when there is no regulation of home schooling.

I guess that's what happens when you see over 70% of black babies born as bastards.

What does that have to do with your claim of having sex with your home school teacher?

 

[JoeB131]

It means what the dictionary says it means. I use it by that meaning. You know, the one that says a child born out of wedlock. If you don't think it means that, you ignore what the dictionary says.

By that reasoning, "Gay" means "Happy".

Maybe it's the sorry outlook that people will have kids without being married then go their separate ways that has changed.

Um, no. The thing that has changed is that people don't feel the need to lock themselves into a perpertual union with someone they don't really love, or even like, because they happened to have produced a kid. The "Shotgun Wedding" is a thing of the past, and we are all better off for it.

That said, the real problem here is that a lot of these minimum wage poor people are gaming a system that punishes them if they do get married. So it would strike me the real solution would be mandating the rich pay a living wage. That would make marriage worth it.

You see, you kind of have it ass-backwards, guy. Back in the day people got married because husbands could get a union job and bring home a good paycheck. today, Dad works two jobs and mom works one and they see the babysitter more often than their parents.

 

[Conservative65]

It means what the dictionary says it means. I use it by that meaning. You know, the one that says a child born out of wedlock. If you don't think it means that, you ignore what the dictionary says.

By that reasoning, "Gay" means "Happy".

Maybe it's the sorry outlook that people will have kids without being married then go their separate ways that has changed.

Um, no. The thing that has changed is that people don't feel the need to lock themselves into a perpertual union with someone they don't really love, or even like, because they happened to have produced a kid. The "Shotgun Wedding" is a thing of the past, and we are all better off for it.

That said, the real problem here is that a lot of these minimum wage poor people are gaming a system that punishes them if they do get married. So it would strike me the real solution would be mandating the rich pay a living wage. That would make marriage worth it.

You see, you kind of have it ass-backwards, guy. Back in the day people got married because husbands could get a union job and bring home a good paycheck. today, Dad works two jobs and mom works one and they see the babysitter more often than their parents.

Your only suggested solution is for someone else to pay more. That's because it's the only way you'll ever get something. You can't earn it so you want it handed to you.

No such thing as a good union. The extort in order to have people who would otherwise make little based on their skills more for doing nothing more. Again, it's the only way someone like you would ever have anything. It has to be handed to you.

 

[Silhouette]

Um, no. The thing that has changed is that people don't feel the need to lock themselves into a perpertual union with someone they don't really love, or even like, because they happened to have produced a kid. The "Shotgun Wedding" is a thing of the past, and we are all better off for it.

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Practicality, and not some ethereal moral concept, was the reason people encouraged chaperons and chastity in teenagers and young adults. The loveless "oops" marriages were seen over time to be the real burdens they are. The solution was to encourage young people, with supervision, to find someone who really wanted to be with them, and vice versa. The chaperon closely guided this process. This isn't an old fashioned ideal. It's a modern and practical, perennial fix for an age-old problem.

Hence the reason we shouldn't rush to discard all old style morality concepts. The 'free love' generation brought us to where we are today. And where we are today is promiscuity, loveless relationships and ass sex getting "married". Two gay men marrying is the epitome of the opposite of chaperoned hetero relationships blooming. Gay men are notoriously, and statistically, the most disinterested (anonymous encounters), promiscuous, hypersexual and unattached individuals on earth. They are the ultimate blaspheme to marriage.

The solution to the "shotgun" wedding isn't to demolish marriage beyond recognition. The solution was to demolish free love beyond recognition. We aren't here merely as consumers, mowing through people for our pleasure without any attachments or consideration for them beyond the moment. That type of thinking fosters all manner of evil. We are here to regard each other, to think more deeply about our commitments and attachments to each other. We are here to promote the common welfare. We are not here on some myopic, narcissistic flesh-fest where others mean no more to us than a handi-wipe or a disposable razor. Free love ushered in the worst of men's traits: getting the milk for free without buying the cow. And when men become spoiled like that, their doom isn't far behind...

 

[JoeB131]

Your only suggested solution is for someone else to pay more. That's because it's the only way you'll ever get something. You can't earn it so you want it handed to you.

No such thing as a good union. The extort in order to have people who would otherwise make little based on their skills more for doing nothing more. Again, it's the only way someone like you would ever have anything. It has to be handed to you.

Guy, I WISH I belonged to a union. You seem to have no problem with extortion when it's rich people doing it, probably because you harbor fantasies about being the one doing the extortion.

And, yes, it's kind of sensible that the people who ACTUALLY DO THE WORK reap the rewards. Even medieval Kings didn't have the kind of wealth disparity we have today.

What I've learned in 54 years of life is that some people will always try to cheat you if they can get away with it. Whether it be the insurance company that tries to find a "pre-existing condition" after you get sick but have paid your premiums, or the manager who fires his long term work force in a recession and hires a bunch of people who will work cheaper. And sometimes it's just petty shit, like the gal I worked with who was fired after the managers found out she was gay.

The main reason why socialism doesn't' work is because of human nature. Capitalism doesn't work for the same damned reason, which is why you usually end up with something in between.

 

[JoeB131]

Practicality, and not some ethereal moral concept, was the reason people encouraged chaperons and chastity in teenagers and young adults. The loveless "oops" marriages were seen over time to be the real burdens they are. The solution was to encourage young people, with supervision, to find someone who really wanted to be with them, and vice versa. The chaperon closely guided this process. This isn't an old fashioned ideal. It's a modern and practical, perennial fix for an age-old problem.

Hence the reason we shouldn't rush to discard all old style morality concepts. The 'free love' generation brought us to where we are today. And where we are today is promiscuity, loveless relationships and ass sex getting "married". Two gay men marrying is the epitome of the opposite of chaperoned hetero relationships blooming. Gay men are notoriously, and statistically, the most disinterested (anonymous encounters), promiscuous, hypersexual and unattached individuals on earth. They are the ultimate blaspheme to marriage.

Okay, Sil, I don't know how old you really are, but the old-style morality concepts are not all you make them up to be.

The reality is, the "Old style Chaperon" marriages were usually arranged affairs where the woman had no real say in who she got to marry. And, yes, this is often the case in a lot of third world countries today like most of the Middle East and India.

That was of course, if you were of some means. IN most of the world, the "Oops" marriage was the norm, marriage usually followed pregnancy.

 

[Conservative65]

Your only suggested solution is for someone else to pay more. That's because it's the only way you'll ever get something. You can't earn it so you want it handed to you.

No such thing as a good union. The extort in order to have people who would otherwise make little based on their skills more for doing nothing more. Again, it's the only way someone like you would ever have anything. It has to be handed to you.

Guy, I WISH I belonged to a union. You seem to have no problem with extortion when it's rich people doing it, probably because you harbor fantasies about being the one doing the extortion.

And, yes, it's kind of sensible that the people who ACTUALLY DO THE WORK reap the rewards. Even medieval Kings didn't have the kind of wealth disparity we have today.

What I've learned in 54 years of life is that some people will always try to cheat you if they can get away with it. Whether it be the insurance company that tries to find a "pre-existing condition" after you get sick but have paid your premiums, or the manager who fires his long term work force in a recession and hires a bunch of people who will work cheaper. And sometimes it's just petty shit, like the gal I worked with who was fired after the managers found out she was gay.

The main reason why socialism doesn't' work is because of human nature. Capitalism doesn't work for the same damned reason, which is why you usually end up with something in between.

You wish you did so you could get more handed to you than your skills are worth.

It's sensible that those who hire those who do the work and invest in them reap the rewards. If those who do the work are so good, let them start their own companies. Most would fail miserably. Maybe that's why you didn't do it. Hell, you're a failure as a worker.

Socialism doesn't work because no one owes another person a damn thing. When you say human nature, it sounds as if you think if you don't have food to eat it's the place of someone else to be forced to give it to you.

 

[JoeB131]

You wish you did so you could get more handed to you than your skills are worth.

It's sensible that those who hire those who do the work and invest in them reap the rewards. If those who do the work are so good, let them start their own companies. Most would fail miserably. Maybe that's why you didn't do it. Hell, you're a failure as a worker.

Guy, most of the companies that I worked for succeeded DESPITE the owners, not because of them. For instance, the company that really changed my mind about Capitalism involved a founder who passed on his company to a kid who really didn't know how to run the place, and management ignoring dozens of warnings from the employees that we had a serious problem with our largest customer who we invested heavily on. (This customer was 50% of our business, and the six figure sales executive they hired almost never visited them).

What we had was managers pretty much lying to us and themselves about how this customer was going to renew their contract. Then how they were going to come crawling back to us when they found out they couldn't manage without us.

This company was recently bought out by another company at bargain basement rates. All they wanted was their facilities for distribution purposes.

So, no, frankly, I've seen more "Owners carried by loyal employees" than "Brilliant Leadership by Management".

You see, the big lie of capitalism is that the Capitalist is a vital organ instead of a parasite. Capitalism works to the degree it works because consumers creating goods and services are making good enough wages to BUY goods and services. And when we had a high rate of unionization and strong workers rights, before that senile old fuck Reagan came along, you had a pretty good standard of living, at least for white people, anyway.

Socialism doesn't work because no one owes another person a damn thing. When you say human nature, it sounds as if you think if you don't have food to eat it's the place of someone else to be forced to give it to you.

Socialism doesn't work because if you tell someone that they are going to get everything and not have to work, they probably won't. Capitalism doesn't work because if you tell someone they are going to have to work very hard, and someone ELSE is going to enjoy the bounty of your labor, eventually, people are going to get sort of fed up with that.

Now, since you brought up food, if there is ONE sector in this economy that is indeed truly socialized, it's agriculture. The fact is, food is the one thing we DON'T entirely trust to capitalism. We have food stamps to make sure everyone can afford it and there is enough demand to make it worth growing, and we have subsidies for farmer to grow it. We have guys like Cliven Bundy who graze their cattle on Federal Land and don't have to pay for it (and nuts like you who show up with guns to defend the right of a millionaire to freeload on the public dime.

Because THIS is what Capitalist Agriculture ends up looking like.

Supply being destroyed because there wasn't enough demand for it.

 

[Conservative65]

You wish you did so you could get more handed to you than your skills are worth.

It's sensible that those who hire those who do the work and invest in them reap the rewards. If those who do the work are so good, let them start their own companies. Most would fail miserably. Maybe that's why you didn't do it. Hell, you're a failure as a worker.

Guy, most of the companies that I worked for succeeded DESPITE the owners, not because of them. For instance, the company that really changed my mind about Capitalism involved a founder who passed on his company to a kid who really didn't know how to run the place, and management ignoring dozens of warnings from the employees that we had a serious problem with our largest customer who we invested heavily on. (This customer was 50% of our business, and the six figure sales executive they hired almost never visited them).

What we had was managers pretty much lying to us and themselves about how this customer was going to renew their contract. Then how they were going to come crawling back to us when they found out they couldn't manage without us.

This company was recently bought out by another company at bargain basement rates. All they wanted was their facilities for distribution purposes.

So, no, frankly, I've seen more "Owners carried by loyal employees" than "Brilliant Leadership by Management".

You see, the big lie of capitalism is that the Capitalist is a vital organ instead of a parasite. Capitalism works to the degree it works because consumers creating goods and services are making good enough wages to BUY goods and services. And when we had a high rate of unionization and strong workers rights, before that senile old fuck Reagan came along, you had a pretty good standard of living, at least for white people, anyway.

Socialism doesn't work because no one owes another person a damn thing. When you say human nature, it sounds as if you think if you don't have food to eat it's the place of someone else to be forced to give it to you.

Socialism doesn't work because if you tell someone that they are going to get everything and not have to work, they probably won't. Capitalism doesn't work because if you tell someone they are going to have to work very hard, and someone ELSE is going to enjoy the bounty of your labor, eventually, people are going to get sort of fed up with that.

Now, since you brought up food, if there is ONE sector in this economy that is indeed truly socialized, it's agriculture. The fact is, food is the one thing we DON'T entirely trust to capitalism. We have food stamps to make sure everyone can afford it and there is enough demand to make it worth growing, and we have subsidies for farmer to grow it. We have guys like Cliven Bundy who graze their cattle on Federal Land and don't have to pay for it (and nuts like you who show up with guns to defend the right of a millionaire to freeload on the public dime.

Because THIS is what Capitalist Agriculture ends up looking like.

Supply being destroyed because there wasn't enough demand for it.

You tell all those stories. Now provided some verifiable truth that they actually occurred. Until then, I'll take it is you can't make it in the work world and want to blame anyone but the stupid piece of shit, YOU, for being a failure.

 

[JoeB131]

You tell all those stories. Now provided some verifiable truth that they actually occurred. Until then, I'll take it is you can't make it in the work world and want to blame anyone but the stupid piece of shit, YOU, for being a failure.

Guy, I know it's easier to believe people you disagree with are bad than to engage in critical thinking.

The rich people who play on your racial, religious and sexual fears generally count on that, and hope you are happy with your Double Wide Trailer.

So when you want to get back to discussing the topic, let me know, otherwise I will just enjoy the space I occupy in your head rent free.

 

[Conservative65]

You tell all those stories. Now provided some verifiable truth that they actually occurred. Until then, I'll take it is you can't make it in the work world and want to blame anyone but the stupid piece of shit, YOU, for being a failure.

Guy, I know it's easier to believe people you disagree with are bad than to engage in critical thinking.

The rich people who play on your racial, religious and sexual fears generally count on that, and hope you are happy with your Double Wide Trailer.

So when you want to get back to discussing the topic, let me know, otherwise I will just enjoy the space I occupy in your head rent free.

People like you are bad because you're stupid and have the ability to talk.

Occupy? Rent free? Typical of your kind to think you should have something you didn't pay for. I own your kind. All your tripe can't convince someone as smart as me that what you believe is good.

 

[JoeB131]

People like you are bad because you're stupid and have the ability to talk.

Occupy? Rent free? Typical of your kind to think you should have something you didn't pay for. I own your kind. All your tripe can't convince someone as smart as me that what you believe is good.

Guy, clearly you are not capable of rational discourse. You are too steeped in your racism, misogyny and homophobia to take seriously. So I enjoy the fuck out of tweeking you.

(Spoiler alert, I'm a lot more centrist than my posts come off.)

 

[Silhouette]

Well look here again! Conservative is game for another flame war...bashing gays...I wonder if the thread will be shut down or dungeoned soon?

If a flag stands for something terrible, it and its ideolgy should go. Exposing kids to sex acts in public qualifies. Get rid of the rainbow flag NOW.

Boys Scouts ^^

 

[Conservative65]

People like you are bad because you're stupid and have the ability to talk.

Occupy? Rent free? Typical of your kind to think you should have something you didn't pay for. I own your kind. All your tripe can't convince someone as smart as me that what you believe is good.

Guy, clearly you are not capable of rational discourse. You are too steeped in your racism, misogyny and homophobia to take seriously. So I enjoy the fuck out of tweeking you.

(Spoiler alert, I'm a lot more centrist than my posts come off.)

That you think you are proves you're stupid. You couldn't tweek yourself much less anyone else.

Spoiler alert. You're a liar is you call yourself centrist.

 

[JoeB131]

That you think you are proves you're stupid. You couldn't tweek yourself much less anyone else.

Spoiler alert. You're a liar is you call yourself centrist.

No, guy, the thing is, you guys have doubled down to the point where the GOP is too crazy for anyone to even recognize it anymore. It's what happens when you let your brain get bought the Adelson and Koch.

 

[Conservative65]

That you think you are proves you're stupid. You couldn't tweek yourself much less anyone else.

Spoiler alert. You're a liar is you call yourself centrist.

No, guy, the thing is, you guys have doubled down to the point where the GOP is too crazy for anyone to even recognize it anymore. It's what happens when you let your brain get bought the Adelson and Koch.

You mean like when you support someone due to skin color or what's between her legs?

 

[JoeB131]

You mean like when you support someone due to skin color or what's between her legs?

Except nobody did that.

Obama didn't win because he was black.

Obama won because Bush fucked up the economy, got us into a war over a lie that killed 5000 Americans, let a major city get wiped out in a storm, and pretty much fucked up everything he touched.

And your guys answer was to nominate a Weird Mormon Robot who talked about how he liked to fire people.

 

[Conservative65]

You mean like when you support someone due to skin color or what's between her legs?

Except nobody did that.

Obama didn't win because he was black.

Obama won because Bush fucked up the economy, got us into a war over a lie that killed 5000 Americans, let a major city get wiped out in a storm, and pretty much fucked up everything he touched.

And your guys answer was to nominate a Weird Mormon Robot who talked about how he liked to fire people.

You did. While you don't amount to much, you count as someone. These Obama supporters really knew about his policies. It leaves one reason why they support him. While you'll deny it, the truth hurts.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqAiarOhC2U

Weird Mormon robot? Bigoted much.

 

[JoeB131]

You did. While you don't amount to much, you count as someone. These Obama supporters really knew about his policies. It leaves one reason why they support him. While you'll deny it, the truth hurts.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqAiarOhC2U

Weird Mormon robot? Bigoted much.

Actually, I voted for McCain in 2008, the guy all you Republicans can't stop badmouthing today. So it seems that if anyone was voting on the basis of skin color, it was you guys voting for a guy you didn't like because you disliked the other guy's skin color.

And, yes, I do have a bias against cults started by child molesting con men cheating less smart people out of money.