Eric Arthur Blair
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You talking about someone talking about morals.....just a riot.LOL a Trump sheep talking about morals
I'll bet you were the funniest guy in Special Ed.
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You talking about someone talking about morals.....just a riot.LOL a Trump sheep talking about morals
I would rather befriend and form alliances with people on all sides, so we can hear each other's input and objections. We can correct problems and resolve conflicts by including and covering all the issues as needed to truly represent the public interest from all angles.
Taking delight in defeating each other and making others wrong might serve in humbling some people who need a check on themselves.
You're a better person than I, and I salute you. I wish I could be as level headed as you, but unfortunately, I feel the people that put this president in the White House are enemies of the republic at the moment. I have no empathy for these people. I do not consider them my countrymen. I won't compromise with them. They will receive no concessions other than total submission and subsequent destruction of their tribe.
Its time to show these pukes we are a nation of laws that apply to them too despite their political views and their self appointed moral high ground... In My Opinion, killing babies out of convenience is a very low rung on the moral ladder.
Can we really sustain this level of dehumanizing and dismissing each other's right to representation?
Doesn't the Golden Rule apply here: that if we want to be included in public policy,
even if we don't agree on beliefs, we should treat others with equal inclusion and respect even if we don't agree with their beliefs.
If we don't like being voted out of due process and democratic representation, because of exclusion by "majority rule by an opposing ideology", why should we engage in this tactic for overruling others we deem to have wrongful beliefs and approaches?
Why not support them in pursuing their own programs equally "on their own" in order to keep those out of govt in the first place?
It makes more sense to me that we RECOGNIZE parties as political religions or beliefs, and agree to SEPARATE these from govt and let people govern THEMSELVES,
such as through their own statewide and national parties that don't require other people to support that.
Both major parties are large enough collectively to fund their own programs for their own members.
So instead of trying to force one sets of terms and conditions on benefits and social programs,
why not call a truce and treat parties like any other religious organization that needs to keep funding of their programs to themselves.
If people VOLUNTEER to donate or participate, they should have equal free choice without being coerced or penalized by govt!
Start with all of the 13,14,15,16 year old girls getting pregnant in poverty areas and for some reason no rape charges ever against those who impregnate them. And if the males are underage also, does that make the pregnant females a felon also?Its time to show these pukes we are a nation of laws that apply to them too despite their political views and their self appointed moral high ground... In My Opinion, killing babies out of convenience is a very low rung on the moral ladder.
Dear Billy_Bob okay let's look for better ways to enforce laws to stop abortion. How about this:
instead of current laws that target and affect women while the men suffer no legal consequences from abortion laws,
why not turn the tables and put it ALL ON THE MEN with no consequences on the women:
How about banning relationship abuse based on complaints of unwanted sexual contact and/or sex leading to unwanted pregnancy, unwanted children or abortion.
And holding the MEN responsible for this abuse "instead of the women."
Billy_Bob if all MEN faced charges for statutory RAPE, sexual abuse, or relationship abuse
if sexual relations result in unwanted pregnancy or abortion, would you AGREE to that in order to stop abortion at the source?
Are you only in it for the convenience as long as it only affects women
and doesn't hold men accountable for decision to have sex, or coercion in the case of rape and abuse.
What if the tables are turned?
If MEN were automatically blamed for sex abuse, would you support that as a way to prevent abortion?
Can we really sustain this level of dehumanizing and dismissing each other's right to representation?
No. It will get systematically worse. Some won't even survive it.
Doesn't the Golden Rule apply here: that if we want to be included in public policy,
even if we don't agree on beliefs, we should treat others with equal inclusion and respect even if we don't agree with their beliefs.
I agree it would be great, using the 'treat others as you would treat yourself' rule rather than the 'he who has the gold makes the rules' rule. But these days, it seems the latter overshadows the former. For example, religion holds no special importance to me, thus this country has pretty much already disregarded my opinions as invalid and has so for decades. How could I possibly respect that?
If we don't like being voted out of due process and democratic representation, because of exclusion by "majority rule by an opposing ideology", why should we engage in this tactic for overruling others we deem to have wrongful beliefs and approaches?
Because beyond mutual assured destruction of the political tribes in this country, it's apparently the only way we know how to do things.
Why not support them in pursuing their own programs equally "on their own" in order to keep those out of govt in the first place?
Some people have an obsession with power and control. Obtaining political office is a way to satiate that urge for some. Plus, I believe neither party seems to want to make the government any smaller.
It makes more sense to me that we RECOGNIZE parties as political religions or beliefs, and agree to SEPARATE these from govt and let people govern THEMSELVES,
such as through their own statewide and national parties that don't require other people to support that.
Sure, but that's akin to saying religion should be separate from politics in this country. I just don't see it realistically happening in my lifetime. Especially when certain political tribes depend on it to sway voters.
Both major parties are large enough collectively to fund their own programs for their own members.
So instead of trying to force one sets of terms and conditions on benefits and social programs,
why not call a truce and treat parties like any other religious organization that needs to keep funding of their programs to themselves.
Because I believe that would cause a huge backlash. 1. Both parties will always want more taxpayer money no matter how 'well funded' they are. 2. I think certain demographics in this country believe they deserve more equality than others and won't be marginalized one bit. Example: Christians
If people VOLUNTEER to donate or participate, they should have equal free choice without being coerced or penalized by govt!
I don't see that working realistically, but we can dare to dream!
Start with all of the 13,14,15,16 year old girls getting pregnant in poverty areas and for some reason no rape charges ever against those who impregnate them. And if the males are underage also, does that make the pregnant females a felon also?Its time to show these pukes we are a nation of laws that apply to them too despite their political views and their self appointed moral high ground... In My Opinion, killing babies out of convenience is a very low rung on the moral ladder.
Dear Billy_Bob okay let's look for better ways to enforce laws to stop abortion. How about this:
instead of current laws that target and affect women while the men suffer no legal consequences from abortion laws,
why not turn the tables and put it ALL ON THE MEN with no consequences on the women:
How about banning relationship abuse based on complaints of unwanted sexual contact and/or sex leading to unwanted pregnancy, unwanted children or abortion.
And holding the MEN responsible for this abuse "instead of the women."
Billy_Bob if all MEN faced charges for statutory RAPE, sexual abuse, or relationship abuse
if sexual relations result in unwanted pregnancy or abortion, would you AGREE to that in order to stop abortion at the source?
Are you only in it for the convenience as long as it only affects women
and doesn't hold men accountable for decision to have sex, or coercion in the case of rape and abuse.
What if the tables are turned?
If MEN were automatically blamed for sex abuse, would you support that as a way to prevent abortion?
That would be RACIST! Black boy's lives matter! The girls, not so much.Start with all of the 13,14,15,16 year old girls getting pregnant in poverty areas and for some reason no rape charges ever against those who impregnate them
Dear Tumblin Tumbleweed Thank you for your thoughtful response in depth.
It's BECAUSE of what you said, that people of both parties WANT THEIR BELIEFS SO BADLY
that it will lead to separate funding. That's the only way they will get what they want without conflict or obstruction with others!
So this very selfish desire for full control is the very key to agreeing to separate.
Some ways I've been able to explain this to people
1. the conservatives who believe in prolife are not going to stop until abortion is completely defunded
and they have the right to recognize right to life as a valid belief that shouldn't be infringed or excluded from laws.
So I use that to explain to my right to health care friends that BOTH beliefs deserve equal treatment under law.
If you are going to say the right to life programs have to be privately funded by free choice outside of govt, the same applies to right to health care.
If you are going to say right to health care HAS TO BE ENDORSED THROUGH GOVT, then so can the right to life argue for their beliefs to be recognized and established by govt.
Sorry to tell people this, but when I present it consistently
it's hard to argue with. They can say they don't trust this group or that one, and I argue the others don't trust them or the govt either. So it's equal.
2. similar with the LGBT beliefs expression and practices
and the Christian beliefs expressing and practices. Either allow both in public schools and institutions,
or remove both. Or let each school community democratically decide what they want to fund and include or not.
But you can't make one rule for all people and then complain and want to remove the other group's beliefs.
Both are faith based, and not everyone shares the beliefs and they don't agree on what science has or has not proven.
So this "faith based" preference of beliefs cannot be FORCED or penalized by govt against the beliefs of others!
Treat them the same, either allow both, include both or remove both and stay neutral.
So what you assess above is exactly right.
And that's why people will be compelled to stick to a better solution because neither of these parties will ever agree to have the other mandate their beliefs through govt!
Dear Tumblin Tumbleweed Thank you for your thoughtful response in depth.
My pleasure.
It's BECAUSE of what you said, that people of both parties WANT THEIR BELIEFS SO BADLY
that it will lead to separate funding. That's the only way they will get what they want without conflict or obstruction with others!
So this very selfish desire for full control is the very key to agreeing to separate.
Secession has been tried before. Unfortunately, It tends to get a lot of folks killed.
Some ways I've been able to explain this to people
1. the conservatives who believe in prolife are not going to stop until abortion is completely defunded
and they have the right to recognize right to life as a valid belief that shouldn't be infringed or excluded from laws.
But it is law, not just a belief. Abortion is legal. This is a law pro-lifers have refused to accept.
So I use that to explain to my right to health care friends that BOTH beliefs deserve equal treatment under law.
I don't believe the government has any business running our health care system. Period.
If you are going to say the right to life programs have to be privately funded by free choice outside of govt, the same applies to right to health care.
Correct.
If you are going to say right to health care HAS TO BE ENDORSED THROUGH GOVT, then so can the right to life argue for their beliefs to be recognized and established by govt.
Also correct. But I believe both of the above are bad ideas.
Sorry to tell people this, but when I present it consistently
it's hard to argue with. They can say they don't trust this group or that one, and I argue the others don't trust them or the govt either. So it's equal.
Sure, fair enough.
2. similar with the LGBT beliefs expression and practices
and the Christian beliefs expressing and practices. Either allow both in public schools and institutions,
or remove both. Or let each school community democratically decide what they want to fund and include or not.
But you can't make one rule for all people and then complain and want to remove the other group's beliefs.
Both are faith based, and not everyone shares the beliefs and they don't agree on what science has or has not proven.
So this "faith based" preference of beliefs cannot be FORCED or penalized by govt against the beliefs of others!
Treat them the same, either allow both, include both or remove both and stay neutral.
Nothing to disagree with there because it's logical. We are in agreement on that.
So what you assess above is exactly right.
And that's why people will be compelled to stick to a better solution because neither of these parties will ever agree to have the other mandate their beliefs through govt!
But the political tribes always seem to be trying to do this very thing, aren't they? And if they can, you know they will. That's what I see happening to this failing 'democratic experiment' in America called government.
If a crime is committed there should be consequences for whom ever is responsible.Its time to show these pukes we are a nation of laws that apply to them too despite their political views and their self appointed moral high ground... In My Opinion, killing babies out of convenience is a very low rung on the moral ladder.
Dear Billy_Bob okay let's look for better ways to enforce laws to stop abortion. How about this:
instead of current laws that target and affect women while the men suffer no legal consequences from abortion laws,
why not turn the tables and put it ALL ON THE MEN with no consequences on the women:
How about banning relationship abuse based on complaints of unwanted sexual contact and/or sex leading to unwanted pregnancy, unwanted children or abortion.
And holding the MEN responsible for this abuse "instead of the women."
Billy_Bob if all MEN faced charges for statutory RAPE, sexual abuse, or relationship abuse
if sexual relations result in unwanted pregnancy or abortion, would you AGREE to that in order to stop abortion at the source?
Are you only in it for the convenience as long as it only affects women
and doesn't hold men accountable for decision to have sex, or coercion in the case of rape and abuse.
What if the tables are turned?
If MEN were automatically blamed for sex abuse, would you support that as a way to prevent abortion?
I just love it when the left is finally bitch slapped by the law.....it so rarely happens......Read the whole story behind this video at
WATCH: Feminist Who Attempted to Steal Pro-Life Sign Wilts When Justice Finds Her
Meanwhile thousands of fetuses got sucked out a vag today. WAKKA WAKKA
LOL a Trump sheep talking about moralsIts time to show these pukes we are a nation of laws that apply to them too despite their political views and their self appointed moral high ground... In My Opinion, killing babies out of convenience is a very low rung on the moral ladder.
I see your in that class of scum sucking pond sediment..
Your lack of caring for human life that can not protect itself makes you garbage.. Human babies are just pieces of shit you can kill for convenience.... FUCK YOU! Your beliefs remind me of Hitler and his attempt to dehumanize a whole race as he was systematically killing them.. You seek to dehumanize all races and think that killing them systematically is just okey dokey....Thanks for showing us your a bigot without morals..
Its time the law applied to all human life. Geroiga just made the distinction that all life is precious.
There are a lot of women who destroyed men. Many men will watch you get raped and killed and more then that suffer while it is being done. Half the men will not even defend you anymore. And the azzes that still do, do it their own detriment. You can not even control your own bodily urges as you spout that against men. You are frauds that have been empowered. And more then that the most spoiled people in human history. Divas without a cause in a world of want and pain.Its time to show these pukes we are a nation of laws that apply to them too despite their political views and their self appointed moral high ground... In My Opinion, killing babies out of convenience is a very low rung on the moral ladder.
Dear Billy_Bob okay let's look for better ways to enforce laws to stop abortion. How about this:
instead of current laws that target and affect women while the men suffer no legal consequences from abortion laws,
why not turn the tables and put it ALL ON THE MEN with no consequences on the women:
How about banning relationship abuse based on complaints of unwanted sexual contact and/or sex leading to unwanted pregnancy, unwanted children or abortion.
And holding the MEN responsible for this abuse "instead of the women."
Billy_Bob if all MEN faced charges for statutory RAPE, sexual abuse, or relationship abuse
if sexual relations result in unwanted pregnancy or abortion, would you AGREE to that in order to stop abortion at the source?
Are you only in it for the convenience as long as it only affects women
and doesn't hold men accountable for decision to have sex, or coercion in the case of rape and abuse.
What if the tables are turned?
If MEN were automatically blamed for sex abuse, would you support that as a way to prevent abortion?