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Yes that is fact dummy.You think he was just saying hello, maybe? A point blank pistol shot to the stomach is not nearly always a killing shot?A gut shot with a hand gun is not instant death insurance. I don't believe Ruby was an assigned assassin.
Okay....
LOL....sounds like someone taking care of last minute business to me.Ruby carried a receipt from Western Union sending money four minutes before he shot Oswald
Not the act of someone planning to assassinante him
Ruby said after the fact he was forced to do things against his will by very powerful men. Why do you suppose he said that?
It was Bobby Kennedy making demands on the autopsy and investigation/---/"So in other words you have no evidence if your idiotic claim "So in other words you have no evidence if your idiotic claim and no one pressured the wc to end early./---- / "Assuming you did hear this ( a link would be nice ) it means nothing."Assuming you did hear this ( a link would be nice ) it means nothing./---/ Except I recall the heated debates on radio and TV about LBJ pressuring the Warren Commission to reach a quick conclusion. You can deny it all you want, but I remember it clearly. Warren Commission on something that actually happened = 10 months / Mueller Investigation on something that never happened = 2 yearsActually there is no evidence of this.
They took months to finish and he did not interfere.
Someone somewhere debating what the government should do is not the same as the government doing it.
There is no evidence lbj interfered with the commission or rushed then to a conclusion even if some people think he should have
You want links to conversations and debates I heard on the radio and TV in the 1960s. OK coming right up. Please hold your breath while I dig up the links - you moron.
You are corrected dumbass
And your evidence that LBJ was hands off is posted ---- where?
You think he was just saying hello, maybe? A point blank pistol shot to the stomach is not nearly always a killing shot?A gut shot with a hand gun is not instant death insurance. I don't believe Ruby was an assigned assassin.
A point blank gun shot to the gut is not certain and quick?If he was an assassin, you'd think he would have done something a little more certain and quick. Otherwise, he leaves open the possibility of recovery.
No it is not you clearly know very little about gun shot wounds.A point blank gun shot to the gut is not certain and quick?If he was an assassin, you'd think he would have done something a little more certain and quick. Otherwise, he leaves open the possibility of recovery.
Here, let me get the little I can't believe this guy out again.
A point blank gun shot to the gut is not certain and quick?If he was an assassin, you'd think he would have done something a little more certain and quick. Otherwise, he leaves open the possibility of recovery.
Here, let me get the little I can't believe this guy out again.
/----/ Here is a great video on the released LBJ phone conversations:On November 21, 1963 Oswald learned the JFK motorcade would be passing by his window at work the next day. So he went home, brought his rifle to work the next morning and fired three shots at the President. One of which blew his brains out
That is all there is
Oswald was scheduled to be taken out of the Dallas police HQ at an earlier time. Ruby had tons of friends on the police force who kept him well informed.Nobody knew when Oswald was coming down. As it was, he was already an hour late in being transferred. Why would someone planning to shoot Oswald show up after he was originally announced to be transferred and then go to Western Union ?
“He had no choice,” Raven said. When I asked her to explain why he “had no choice,” she replied only, “Jack had bosses, just like everyone else.”Ruby never said he was forced to do things against his will by powerful people....You just made that up
What he did say was he was enraged by the smirk on Oswald’s face
As usual you are very wrong and uninformed.
You are right, I confess. A guillotine or RPG would have been more quick or certain.No, it is neither certain nor quick. A gut shot does not stop the heart or harm the lungs. Death is dependent on blood loss and organ damage, and that's dependent on what the bullet does inside the body. Have you seen too many movies where the bad guy gets shot, clutches his stomach and falls over dead?
/----/ There are literally thousands of google hits on LBJ and the Warren Commission. Again. I know what I heard and remember it because it was a traumatic event for the country that I lived through and followed closely. I did find a reference to a quick resolution because of the fear of nuclear war if the investigation led to the USSR as the culprit. More than this - I can not provide.So in other words you have no evidence if your idiotic claim and no one pressured the wc to end early./---- / "Assuming you did hear this ( a link would be nice ) it means nothing."Assuming you did hear this ( a link would be nice ) it means nothing./---/ Except I recall the heated debates on radio and TV about LBJ pressuring the Warren Commission to reach a quick conclusion. You can deny it all you want, but I remember it clearly. Warren Commission on something that actually happened = 10 months / Mueller Investigation on something that never happened = 2 yearsActually there is no evidence of this./----/ "If the motivation in killing JFK was to escalate the war in Vietnam…"
That's not what I meant. LBJ was an egotistical maniac. He wanted to be the center of attention. If the WC dragged on too long he couldn't move his agenda forward so he pushed them to wrap it up quickly. .
They took months to finish and he did not interfere.
Someone somewhere debating what the government should do is not the same as the government doing it.
There is no evidence lbj interfered with the commission or rushed then to a conclusion even if some people think he should have
You want links to conversations and debates I heard on the radio and TV in the 1960s. OK coming right up. Please hold your breath while I dig up the links - you moron.
You are corrected dumbass
Yes we all know why he set up the commission/----/ There are literally thousands of google hits on LBJ and the Warren Commission. Again. I know what I heard and remember it because it was a traumatic event for the country that I lived through and followed closely. I did find a reference to a quick resolution because of the fear of nuclear war if the investigation led to the USSR as the culprit. More than this - I can not provide.So in other words you have no evidence if your idiotic claim and no one pressured the wc to end early./---- / "Assuming you did hear this ( a link would be nice ) it means nothing."Assuming you did hear this ( a link would be nice ) it means nothing./---/ Except I recall the heated debates on radio and TV about LBJ pressuring the Warren Commission to reach a quick conclusion. You can deny it all you want, but I remember it clearly. Warren Commission on something that actually happened = 10 months / Mueller Investigation on something that never happened = 2 yearsActually there is no evidence of this.
They took months to finish and he did not interfere.
Someone somewhere debating what the government should do is not the same as the government doing it.
There is no evidence lbj interfered with the commission or rushed then to a conclusion even if some people think he should have
You want links to conversations and debates I heard on the radio and TV in the 1960s. OK coming right up. Please hold your breath while I dig up the links - you moron.
You are corrected dumbass
Warren Commission
The need to calm the nation was real, especially given speculation of foreign involvement in the assassination due to Oswald's prior defection to the Soviet Union. The Kennedy assassination occurred only a decade after fears of the "Communist menace" were carried to extremes by Joe McCarthy and others. The Commission resisted pressure to have it quickly affirm the FBI's report naming Oswald as the sole assassin. But it remains unrefuted that the Commission never really considered any other alternative.
In some of the phone calls that week, LBJ alluded to the possibility of 40 million Americans dying in a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union. This fear was apparently related to the issue of Oswald’s visit to Mexico City and the allegations of Communist conspiracy emanating from that city. A phone call with Senator Russell on November 29 (listen), whom Johnson picked as one of the Commissioners, shows how LBJ used this fear to convince Chief Justice Earl Warren to serve despite Warren’s great reluctance. Another phone call, in which Hoover told Johnson about an Oswald imposter in Mexico City, has been erased - see The Fourteen Minute Gap.
Everything I've ever studied and learned after fifty years of interest and research into the Kennedy coup tells me there was nothing happenstance about the coup and then the cover up.Perhaps both shootings were crimes of opportunity. Oswald didn't go out of his way to hunt down JFK and Ruby always carried a gun because he ran nightclubs. He saw a chance and shot Oswald spur of the moment. - Perhaps.
That quote was made during his trial not after his conviction.Oswald was scheduled to be taken out of the Dallas police HQ at an earlier time. Ruby had tons of friends on the police force who kept him well informed.Nobody knew when Oswald was coming down. As it was, he was already an hour late in being transferred. Why would someone planning to shoot Oswald show up after he was originally announced to be transferred and then go to Western Union ?
A brief trip to a Western Union office across the street is not at all unreasonable if someone told Ruby Oswald would be released finally in fifteen minutes or so.
“He had no choice,” Raven said. When I asked her to explain why he “had no choice,” she replied only, “Jack had bosses, just like everyone else.”Ruby never said he was forced to do things against his will by powerful people....You just made that up
What he did say was he was enraged by the smirk on Oswald’s face
Raven says she believes “he was instructed on what he needed to do, therefore he did it. And when the opportunity presented itself he went ahead and took it.” Ex-flame says Jack Ruby 'had no choice' but to kill Oswald - JFK Facts
"A year after his conviction, in March 1965, Ruby conducted a brief televised news conference in which he stated: "Everything pertaining to what's happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts of what occurred, my motives. The people who had so much to gain, and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world." When asked by a reporter, "Are these people in very high positions, Jack?", he responded "Yes." Jack Ruby - Wikipedia
Yeah....I made that all up.
It has to be by design by now. You are just a sad liar with no self respect or dignity.
Wrong.Everything I've ever studied and learned after fifty years of interest and research into the Kennedy coup tells me there was nothing happenstance about the coup and then the cover up.Perhaps both shootings were crimes of opportunity. Oswald didn't go out of his way to hunt down JFK and Ruby always carried a gun because he ran nightclubs. He saw a chance and shot Oswald spur of the moment. - Perhaps.
No one can ever prove Lee Oswald shot the president or that Jack Ruby shot Oswald as a matter of pure opportunism
No one!
Ruby shot Oswald to cover a vast conspiracy among political figures at the very highest levels of government to guarantee our Cold War policies would be carried out by LBJ as Kennedy was seen by hard liners as appeasing the Soviets and threatening our world position.
/----/Yes we all know why he set up the commission/----/ There are literally thousands of google hits on LBJ and the Warren Commission. Again. I know what I heard and remember it because it was a traumatic event for the country that I lived through and followed closely. I did find a reference to a quick resolution because of the fear of nuclear war if the investigation led to the USSR as the culprit. More than this - I can not provide.So in other words you have no evidence if your idiotic claim and no one pressured the wc to end early./---- / "Assuming you did hear this ( a link would be nice ) it means nothing."Assuming you did hear this ( a link would be nice ) it means nothing./---/ Except I recall the heated debates on radio and TV about LBJ pressuring the Warren Commission to reach a quick conclusion. You can deny it all you want, but I remember it clearly. Warren Commission on something that actually happened = 10 months / Mueller Investigation on something that never happened = 2 years
Someone somewhere debating what the government should do is not the same as the government doing it.
There is no evidence lbj interfered with the commission or rushed then to a conclusion even if some people think he should have
You want links to conversations and debates I heard on the radio and TV in the 1960s. OK coming right up. Please hold your breath while I dig up the links - you moron.
You are corrected dumbass
Warren Commission
The need to calm the nation was real, especially given speculation of foreign involvement in the assassination due to Oswald's prior defection to the Soviet Union. The Kennedy assassination occurred only a decade after fears of the "Communist menace" were carried to extremes by Joe McCarthy and others. The Commission resisted pressure to have it quickly affirm the FBI's report naming Oswald as the sole assassin. But it remains unrefuted that the Commission never really considered any other alternative.
In some of the phone calls that week, LBJ alluded to the possibility of 40 million Americans dying in a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union. This fear was apparently related to the issue of Oswald’s visit to Mexico City and the allegations of Communist conspiracy emanating from that city. A phone call with Senator Russell on November 29 (listen), whom Johnson picked as one of the Commissioners, shows how LBJ used this fear to convince Chief Justice Earl Warren to serve despite Warren’s great reluctance. Another phone call, in which Hoover told Johnson about an Oswald imposter in Mexico City, has been erased - see The Fourteen Minute Gap.
He had good reason
The point is no evidence exists of interference once it was set up.
Btw there is no evidence of an imposter
Yes and they had good reason for that./----/Yes we all know why he set up the commission/----/ There are literally thousands of google hits on LBJ and the Warren Commission. Again. I know what I heard and remember it because it was a traumatic event for the country that I lived through and followed closely. I did find a reference to a quick resolution because of the fear of nuclear war if the investigation led to the USSR as the culprit. More than this - I can not provide.So in other words you have no evidence if your idiotic claim and no one pressured the wc to end early./---- / "Assuming you did hear this ( a link would be nice ) it means nothing."Assuming you did hear this ( a link would be nice ) it means nothing.
Someone somewhere debating what the government should do is not the same as the government doing it.
There is no evidence lbj interfered with the commission or rushed then to a conclusion even if some people think he should have
You want links to conversations and debates I heard on the radio and TV in the 1960s. OK coming right up. Please hold your breath while I dig up the links - you moron.
You are corrected dumbass
Warren Commission
The need to calm the nation was real, especially given speculation of foreign involvement in the assassination due to Oswald's prior defection to the Soviet Union. The Kennedy assassination occurred only a decade after fears of the "Communist menace" were carried to extremes by Joe McCarthy and others. The Commission resisted pressure to have it quickly affirm the FBI's report naming Oswald as the sole assassin. But it remains unrefuted that the Commission never really considered any other alternative.
In some of the phone calls that week, LBJ alluded to the possibility of 40 million Americans dying in a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union. This fear was apparently related to the issue of Oswald’s visit to Mexico City and the allegations of Communist conspiracy emanating from that city. A phone call with Senator Russell on November 29 (listen), whom Johnson picked as one of the Commissioners, shows how LBJ used this fear to convince Chief Justice Earl Warren to serve despite Warren’s great reluctance. Another phone call, in which Hoover told Johnson about an Oswald imposter in Mexico City, has been erased - see The Fourteen Minute Gap.
He had good reason
The point is no evidence exists of interference once it was set up.
Btw there is no evidence of an imposter
Except for this evidence that I posted above: 'Almost immediately after the assassination, Director Hoover, the Justice Department and the White House 'exerted pressure' on senior Bureau officials to ... issue a factual report supporting the conclusion that Oswald was the lone assassin.
You are right, I confess. A guillotine or RPG would have been more quick or certain.No, it is neither certain nor quick. A gut shot does not stop the heart or harm the lungs. Death is dependent on blood loss and organ damage, and that's dependent on what the bullet does inside the body. Have you seen too many movies where the bad guy gets shot, clutches his stomach and falls over dead?
But given that Oswald was surrounded my Dallas police (at police HQ) and Ruby only had a moment to intercede I think he made the right choice. And indeed Oswald died shortly thereafter from his wound.
A guillotine would have been a sure give away, you see, and so difficult and awkward to get Oswald to place his head under the blade.
If Oswald were part of a plot to kill Kennedy he never would have been arrestedYou are right, I confess. A guillotine or RPG would have been more quick or certain.No, it is neither certain nor quick. A gut shot does not stop the heart or harm the lungs. Death is dependent on blood loss and organ damage, and that's dependent on what the bullet does inside the body. Have you seen too many movies where the bad guy gets shot, clutches his stomach and falls over dead?
But given that Oswald was surrounded my Dallas police (at police HQ) and Ruby only had a moment to intercede I think he made the right choice. And indeed Oswald died shortly thereafter from his wound.
A guillotine would have been a sure give away, you see, and so difficult and awkward to get Oswald to place his head under the blade.
Or a shot slightly higher, to the heart area, or a knife to the throat (he was able to get pretty close as it is). There are many better, faster means of killing that don't involve stupid. The bottom line remains that, if the government was really out to kill JFK and silence Oswald, they choose spectacularly inept ways to do it.
They were really out to silence Oswald and end any possibility of a trial in Texas. No ifs about it.Or a shot slightly higher, to the heart area, or a knife to the throat (he was able to get pretty close as it is). There are many better, faster means of killing that don't involve stupid. The bottom line remains that, if the government was really out to kill JFK and silence Oswald, they choose spectacularly inept ways to do it.
