War and the Constitution: How do we justify U.S. involvement in Ukraine?

Maybe you could quit your support of Russia over the free world. Appeasement is not the answer. Maybe you should immigrate.
There won't be a "free world" if we let the D.C. Swamp destroy America from within. We've completely misplaced our priorities. The social engineers are winning the game. While easily amused Americans are distracted by what's way over there ... their freedoms are being dismantled right before their very noses. Shell game 101.
 
There won't be a "free world" if we let the D.C. Swamp destroy America from within. We've completely misplaced our priorities. The social engineers are winning the game. While easily amused Americans are distracted by what's way over there ... their freedoms are being dismantled right before their very noses. Shell game 101.
Spare me the hysterical bullsh#t. Your avatar says Utah. Your America isn't destroyed, certainly not by the DC Swamp. I have enjoyed your state every time I visited or passed through. Your America is fine. Detroyed America, my ass. You could be living in Washington state or Oregon, left coast states, ruined not by DC, but by their own elected officials, the laws they passed, the laws they don't enforce, their lack of stand your ground law, constricted weapons ownership, and high taxes, state, city and counties.
 
Fast forward a month and a half from when this article was written and thanks to a brave young American releasing "classified" documents we know the extent of Biden's violating the War Powers Act.


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Congress has not only not declared war on Russia; it has not authorized the use of American military forces against it. Yet, it has given President Joe Biden a blank check for $100 billion and authorized him to spend it on military equipment for Ukraine however he sees fit.​
He has promised to continue giving Ukraine whatever it needs for “as long as it takes.” As long as it takes to do what? He cannot answer that because he has no clear military objective. Eliminating Russian troops from Ukraine and Crimea or Russian President Vladimir Putin from office are not realistically attainable military goals.​
Congress has only authorized weapons and cash to be sent to Ukraine, but Biden has sent troops as well. The U.S. involvement in Vietnam began the same way: no declaration of war, no authorization for the use of military force, yet a gradual buildup of American troops as advisers and instructors, and then a congressionally supported war that saw half a million American troops deployed, 10% of whom came home in body bags.​
We don’t know how many American troops are in Ukraine, as they are out of uniform and their whereabouts a secret. We do know that they are involved in hostilities, since much of the hardware that Biden has sent requires American know-how to operate and maintain. And some of the weaponry has American troops actually targeting Russian forces and pulling the triggers.​
Are American soldiers killing Russian soldiers? Yes. None of it has been authorized by Congress, but Congress has paid for it in borrowed dollars.​
Now back to the Constitution. The War Powers Resolution, which requires presidential notification to Congress of the use of American military force, is unconstitutional because it consists of Congress giving away one of its core functions -- declaring war. The Supreme Court has characterized delegating away core functions as violative of the separation of powers.​
Nevertheless, Biden has not informed Congress of his intentions to use American troops violently. Yet, he has used the Navy and the CIA to attack Germany — a war crime and a violation of the NATO treaty — and he has soldiers out of uniform in Ukraine, so as to perpetuate the deception that boots are not on the ground.​
Don’t be surprised if Biden gives War Powers Act notice secretly to the Gang of Eight. What’s that? The Gang of Eight is the Congress within the Congress. It consists of the chairs and ranking members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees and the Republican and Democratic leaders of the House and Senate with which the president legally shares secrets.
Just as Congress cannot delegate away its war-making powers to the president, it cannot delegate them away to the Gang of Eight. The concept of the Gang of Eight is antithetical to democratic values. Informing them of whatever violence the president is up to is done under an oath of secrecy. What kind of democracy operates and kills in secret?
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Congress has not obeyed the War Powers Act since it became law, never once.

It further abdicated its responsibilities with AUMF, which it just effectively renewed last month by voting down Rand Paul's bill to repeal it. Eisenhower was right--the military industrial complex rules the government. Biden and many others are profiting nicely from the Ukraine fiasco.
 
Spare me the hysterical bullsh#t. Your avatar says Utah. Your America isn't destroyed, certainly not by the DC Swamp. I have enjoyed your state every time I visited or passed through. Your America is fine. Detroyed America, my ass. You could be living in Washington state or Oregon, left coast states, ruined not by DC, but by their own elected officials, the laws they passed, the laws they don't enforce, their lack of stand your ground law, constricted weapons ownership, and high taxes, state, city and counties.
Are you this hysterical often?
 
Are you this hysterical often?
Giving it to you and him straight. The man in Utah says his world is being destroyed by DC, in his reply to this thread on our involvement in Ukraine, and you say I am being hysterical? How do you figure?
 
Giving it to you and him straight. The man in Utah says his world is being destroyed by DC, in his reply to this thread on our involvement in Ukraine, and you say I am being hysterical? How do you figure?
You can be partially right and still hysterical, yes. And you are right, Utah is beautiful.
 
What are you babbling about now? We are just giving military aid as we have many other countries, acting our interests and of our allies. I have seen nothing about any troops on the ground and neither have you. You just like Puting, as Donny does, and see some benefit most normal Americans that support the independence of Ukraine and the security of NATO, do not see. Vlad should not have invaded. I and most Americans support efforts of the Ukrainians to remain free from Russian takeover, and approve of military aid to help them repel the barbaric Russian invasion, being waged as a terrorist action by Russia, against the Ukrainian people (not just their military), completely outside the rules of war and against international treaties and law, by the war criminal Vladimir Putin.

Wrong.

First of all, there is no way the Javelin, Stinger, and HIMARs missiles are being operated by Ukrainians.
There was not nearly enough time to train them in the US in maintenance and use.
Those have to be operated and maintained by US troops, illegally.

Second is that when Congress ratified the UN charter in 1945, it made it illegal to arm belligerents in armed conflicts. The only legal way to send weapons to the Ukraine is if the UN votes for it.

Third is that there historically and culturally is no country called the Ukraine.
The word means "the disputed border lands", meaning between Poland and Russia.
So the western part is ethnic Polish and should be part of Poland, and the eastern part is ethnic Russian and should be returned to Russia.
Nor is Russia "invading" since all of the Ukraine is historically Russia, with Kyiv at one time being the Russian capital, before the Mongol invasion.

Forth is that Gorbachev only granted independence on the condition of NO NATO EXPANSION, so by trying to join NATO, Kyiv violated its treaties and forfeit its independence.
If you think that is harsh, you would be wrong, because the Ukraine is INSIDE the Russian defense grid, so can NEVER be allowed to join NATO. That would allow US nukes to be install with a "first strike capability". And that is NEVER going to be allowed to happen. If it even looked like Russia was going to stalemate, then Russia would be forced to resort to nukes. The Ukraine simply can never possibly ever win or even hold off losing.

As far as your emotional diatribe against Putin, that is also totally wrong, in my opinion.
Russia started off very racist from their Viking origins, but quickly came to allow nomads from the east to join, like the Mongols, Moghuls, Tatars, Cossacks, Turks, Moslems, etc.
In contrast, the Polish never did integrate and remain extremely racist and fascist.
Going back to WWII, you see the western part of the Ukraine joining Germany and running their death camps.
If you go back further, you run into Vlad the Impaler.
So the Polish do not have a nice history at all.
At one time they were the single largest and most hated country in Europe.
 
Maybe you could quit your support of Russia over the free world. Appeasement is not the answer. Maybe you should immigrate.

Russia is vastly more ethical than what you call the "free world".
The US has been illegally installing dictators since we invaded Mexico twice, started the Illegal Spanish American war, massacred the Moro Rebellion, set up Pinochet in Chile, Batista in Cuba, Chaing Kai Shek in China, Syngman Rhee in Korea, Diem in Vietnam, Samosa in Nicaragua, etc.
All our wars since 1812 have been illegal invasions based on lies.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc., are all horrific criminal acts.

In contrast, Russia comes off like pacifist, concerned only about defending their borders.
They had to end the USSR because it was costing them too much to support all those countries, instead of stealing profits from them as we would have done.
 
Giving it to you and him straight. The man in Utah says his world is being destroyed by DC, in his reply to this thread on our involvement in Ukraine, and you say I am being hysterical? How do you figure?

Again, it should be obvious Russia can never allow the Ukraine to join NATO and install US first strike nukes.
So if we do not cut this out very soon, the US will end up getting nuked.
That is not a good result for the Ukraine either, but is better than allowing a US First Strike capability.
 
Wrong.

First of all, there is no way the Javelin, Stinger, and HIMARs missiles are being operated by Ukrainians.
There was not nearly enough time to train them in the US in maintenance and use.
Those have to be operated and maintained by US troops, illegally.

Second is that when Congress ratified the UN charter in 1945, it made it illegal to arm belligerents in armed conflicts. The only legal way to send weapons to the Ukraine is if the UN votes for it.

Third is that there historically and culturally is no country called the Ukraine.
The word means "the disputed border lands", meaning between Poland and Russia.
So the western part is ethnic Polish and should be part of Poland, and the eastern part is ethnic Russian and should be returned to Russia.
Nor is Russia "invading" since all of the Ukraine is historically Russia, with Kyiv at one time being the Russian capital, before the Mongol invasion.

Forth is that Gorbachev only granted independence on the condition of NO NATO EXPANSION, so by trying to join NATO, Kyiv violated its treaties and forfeit its independence.
If you think that is harsh, you would be wrong, because the Ukraine is INSIDE the Russian defense grid, so can NEVER be allowed to join NATO. That would allow US nukes to be install with a "first strike capability". And that is NEVER going to be allowed to happen. If it even looked like Russia was going to stalemate, then Russia would be forced to resort to nukes. The Ukraine simply can never possibly ever win or even hold off losing.

As far as your emotional diatribe against Putin, that is also totally wrong, in my opinion.
Russia started off very racist from their Viking origins, but quickly came to allow nomads from the east to join, like the Mongols, Moghuls, Tatars, Cossacks, Turks, Moslems, etc.
In contrast, the Polish never did integrate and remain extremely racist and fascist.
Going back to WWII, you see the western part of the Ukraine joining Germany and running their death camps.
If you go back further, you run into Vlad the Impaler.
So the Polish do not have a nice history at all.
At one time they were the single largest and most hated country in Europe.
Do you have documented proof?
 
Do you have documented proof?

Do you really think that after we gave the Mujahideen all those Stingers in Afghanistan, and they ended up being used against us, that we would ever do that same foolish mistake again?
Already US corpses have been returned from the Ukraine.
Undoubtedly there are many US citizens still there who have not yet been killed.
 
Do you really think that after we gave the Mujahideen all those Stingers in Afghanistan, and they ended up being used against us, that we would ever do that same foolish mistake again?
Already US corpses have been returned from the Ukraine.
Undoubtedly there are many US citizens still there who have not yet been killed.
Do you have documented proof?
 
Again, it should be obvious Russia can never allow the Ukraine to join NATO and install US first strike nukes.
So if we do not cut this out very soon, the US will end up getting nuked.
That is not a good result for the Ukraine either, but is better than allowing a US First Strike capability.
The US has no need or plan for such nukes there

They have no right to stop Ukraine from Joining NATO
 

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