Waco....Thirty Years Later

[whitehall]

The ATF was in crisis. The agency needed a big bust to continue to be relevant. They found out that Branch Dividians were sending away for (legal) brochures that illustrated restoring junk WW2 weapons. That was the basis of the search warrant and it was bogus. No WW2 weapons either restored or unrestored were ever recovered after about 80 men women and children were incinerated by the poison gas carrier which was as combustable as laquor thinner.

 

[otto105]

The ATF was in crisis. The agency needed a big bust to continue to be relevant. They found out that Branch Dividians were sending away for (legal) brochures that illustrated restoring junk WW2 weapons. That was the basis of the search warrant and it was bogus. No WW2 weapons either restored or unrestored were ever recovered after about 80 men women and children were incinerated by the poison gas carrier which was as combustable as laquor thinner.

Pedo defender

 

[gtopa1]

pedo defender scum

You're defending the mass murder of CHILDREN; ordinary school shooters not good enough for you to defend????

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Pedo defender

You have evidence of that, Shrillary??

Greg

 

[otto105]

yeah this troll is a shill for langley as is Bodecca,he just parrots the CIA medias version of events that have been debunked.

Sure la, deify a pedo.

 

[otto105]

You're defending the mass murder of CHILDREN; ordinary school shooters not good enough for you to defend????

Greg

Sure, deify a pedo.

 

[otto105]

You have evidence of that, Shrillary??

Greg

You.

 

[otto105]

Reno's genocide against the Davidian kids was revenge against God for making her so butt ugly.

The sad effort to deify a pedo is sick.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Remember it well.
Janet Reno was a reincarnation of one of Hitler's henchmen.
She was jackboots all the way. And was a HUGE proponent of militarizing law enforcement.
Having said that, the Branch Davidians were ripe to be taken out. It had to happen, but never in a million years happen the way it did. The ground supervisor, realizing they lost the element of surprise called the raid off - it was Janet Reno herself who told them to raid anyway - and THAT is why it happened the way it did.

 

[otto105]

Remember it well.
Janet Reno was a reincarnation of one of Hitler's henchmen.
She was jackboots all the way. And was a HUGE proponent of militarizing law enforcement.
Having said that, the Branch Davidians were ripe to be taken out. It had to happen, but never in a million years happen the way it did. The ground supervisor, realizing they lost the element of surprise called the raid off - it was Janet Reno herself who told them to raid anyway - and THAT is why it happened the way it did.

Janet Reno did what was necessary and right.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Janet Reno did what was necessary and right.

Absolutely not.
You go by what your ground commanders tell you they see, and if they tell you it's "no good".
It's no good.
The shoot out massacre was a direct result of Reno ordering them to attack despite their cover was blown.
Outrageously irresponsible. We had an inside man literally in the building. He had informed them 2 weeks prior that they had dozens of automatic rifles/grenades and 100s of rifles with enough ammo to take out a small army. Within a half hour of the invasion he got word to them that David became aware they were coming and they were loading up.
Fucking stupid and reckless to go ahead with the invasion knowing this.
REMEMBER - they knew precisely where the guns were all kept, the plan was to storm the front door and rush that room. Which would have avoided the entire event.

 

[otto105]

Absolutely not.
You go by what your ground commanders tell you they see, and if they tell you it's "no good".
It's no good.
The shoot out massacre was a direct result of Reno ordering them to attack despite their cover was blown.
Outrageously irresponsible. We had an inside man literally in the building. He had informed them 2 weeks prior that they had dozens of automatic rifles/grenades and 100s of rifles with enough ammo to take out a small army. Within a half hour of the invasion he got word to them that David became aware they were coming and they were loading up.
Fucking stupid and reckless to go ahead with the invasion knowing this.
REMEMBER - they knew precisely where the guns were all kept, the plan was to storm the front door and rush that room. Which would have avoided the entire event.

That pedo had already wasted enough time, money and his sorry ass born on date was up.


Geezsus, the former 1-term fuckup would have pardoned him and invited himself down for a visit with his pal Jeff.

 

[whitehall]

Pedo defender

Pedo que?

 

[whitehall]

You have to judge the relevance of a federal assault on the documents that authorized it. The ATF could have confronted David Koresh at the nearby 7-11. The agency could have arrived at the Branch Davidian compound in shirts and ties with the proper identification. Why did it come to a standoff and freaking military tanks spraying toxic gas in areas where innocent people lived? We have to rely on the initial search warrant that produced nothing.

 

[DudleySmith]

The Feds should have deferred to the local county sheriff. All that was needed for the sheriff to call Koresh on the phone and he would come in, just as he had on all previous occasions. There was zero cause for a giant media show so Reno could sit safely in her office posing as a badass for her Party's media hacks.

As it was, the stupid bitch generated a whole action movie, with the working title 'When Nutjobs Collide' and lot of innocent kids died horribly, just so some sociopath bitch could get her rocks off slaughtering some uppity peasants.

 

[DudleySmith]

Pedo que?

These faggots always use the same tactics, trying to label others with what they promote and hope to legalize. Ignore them.

 

[beautress]

just how many of this followers wives and daughters did he fuck?

The pretty ones, and all children are pretty.

 

[otto105]

You have to judge the relevance of a federal assault on the documents that authorized it. The ATF could have confronted David Koresh at the nearby 7-11. The agency could have arrived at the Branch Davidian compound in shirts and ties with the proper identification. Why did it come to a standoff and freaking military tanks spraying toxic gas in areas where innocent people lived? We have to rely on the initial search warrant that produced nothing.

Because they believed that a pedo was their messiah.

 

[gtopa1]

Because they believed that a pedo was their messiah.

That was Jim Jones you idiot!!! And HE was a Democrat!!!

"Remembering Jim Jones, Once the Darling of California Liberals
Nov. 18 will mark 40 years since nearly 1,000 Americans—a majority of them African American—perished in a mass suicide/murder in the Jonestown compound in the jungles of Guyana. Many misconceptions surround this horror, but a new account dispels some common myths.

Cult leader Jim Jones is often portrayed as having been a normal fundamentalist Christian preacher. But as Daniel Flynn shows in “Cult City: Jim Jones, Harvey Milk, and 10 Days that Shook San Francisco,” Jones believed “the Bible is the root of all our problems today,” and he sought to “infiltrate the church” to spread the communist message.

Jones was also a racist. He used a racial epithet in reference to black activist Medgar Evers, and he called jazz icon Duke Ellington an “Uncle Tom.” The name-calling proved no obstacle when Jones moved to San Francisco. His People’s Temple congregation attracted some Black Panthers, and Jones became the darling of the California Democratic establishment.

In a letter to Cuban dictator Fidel Castro, then-state Assemblyman Willie Brown called Jones a “close personal friend and highly trusted brother in the struggle for liberation.” Liberal icon Tom Hayden hailed Jones for his “high standard of ethics and morality,” and the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner named the future mass murderer “Humanitarian of the Year.”

Jones’ admirers included California Gov. Jerry Brown, Lt. Gov. Mervyn Dymally and Congressman Phil Burton. San Francisco Mayor George Moscone appointed Jones commissioner of the city’s Housing Authority. San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk became one of Jones’ most eager advocates, writing that he had found “greatness ... at Jim Jones’ People’s Temple.”

When Jones moved his flock to Guyana, some saw it as a better, more egalitarian society, free of racism, homophobia and sexist gender roles. Flynn, however, rightly calls it a “concentration camp” and notes that Jones piped in recorded audio of lengthy harangues by Angela Davis, who in 1979 won the Lenin Peace Prize and twice ran for vice-president of the United States Communist Party.

After growing public scrutiny—including a tense site visit by a political representative—Jones ordered the suicide of more than 900 followers. His guards murdered Congressman Leo Ryan and four others, and wounded now-Rep. Jackie Speier. After all that, Harvey Milk still refused to condemn Jonestown outright. “Guyana was a great experiment that didn’t work,” Milk said. “I don’t know, maybe it did.”

Milk’s judgement wasn’t always reliable—nor was his credibility. He claimed the U.S. Navy drummed him out of the service for being homosexual, but that wasn’t true. As Flynn shows, Milk was honorably discharged. In default accounts, fellow San Francisco Supervisor Dan White was a right-wing bigot who gunned Milk down because he was gay. That isn’t true either.

Flynn quotes then-City Supervisor Dianne Feinstein, now a U.S. senator, who said, “This had nothing to do with anybody’s sexual orientation. It had to do with getting back his position.”

Milk’s praise for Jim Jones was never shown in the 2008 biopic “Milk,”, which won two Oscars and featured Sean Penn in the lead role. In 2009, Milk was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom; a U.S. Navy ship also bears his name. As Flynn laments, “Myths prove harder to kill than men.”

Jim Jones told his followers, “God is Socialism, and I am Principle Socialism, and that’s what makes me God.” Forty years after Jonestown, politicians such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are still hailing socialism with Pentecostal fervor.

Flynn urges readers to think with their brain, not their ideology. He concludes Cult Citywith the Jonestown placard, a quote from George Santayana: “Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

Fair enough, but nobody can remember what they never knew in the first place."

Remembering Jim Jones, Once the Darling of California Liberals | K. Lloyd Billingsley

Nov. 18 will mark 40 years since nearly 1,000 Americans--a majority of them African American--perished in a mass suicide/murder in the Jonestown compound in the jungles of Guyana. Many misconceptions surround this horror, but a new account dispels some common myths. Cult leader Jim Jones is...

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Greg

 

[whitehall]

Emotion aside you have to rely on documents and evidence and the evidence indicates that the federal government illegally targeted the Dividians. The fact that Bill Clinton hid out for about a week after the disaster indicates that he thought there would be repercussions in the media but he needn't have worried.