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There are no reliable studies of the extent of voter fraud in the US. The studies that do exist, honest and well intentioned as they may be, only count the number of cases in which voter fraud was uncovered. There is no reliable way of estimating how many people committed voter fraud that went undetected.
Oooohhh....scary stealth votes. It's undetected because it is undetectable. It's not happening.
I've got no problem requiring photo identification at the polling place as long as the ID is provided free of charge, that the program takes YEARS, not months to implement, insuring that voters have ample opportunity to secure the necessary documents and that there is a grandfather clause for...well, grandfathers. If you're a gazillion years old and have been voting in every election since the Johnson administration, you get to fucking vote and not have to provide documentation that doesn't exist because you weren't born in a goddamn hospital.
Did you miss this question, Seawytch??
You work in California elections, correct?
Can you tell us how many ineligible voters in your state cast ballots in 2010?
Who does the inability to produce ID disenfranchise?
With but a few exceptions nobody.
Anything to keep letting the illegal alien vote continue, right Clayton?
That 9 or 10 million is going to be crucial this year...
Accusations, not evidence its only what you can prove in a court of law.
You also seem confused as to the process: only citizens can vote, a voter proves hes a citizen when he registers to vote, providing whatever documentation in accordance with his states law.
WRONG!! There is NO PROOF of eligibility required to register.
You should know that...
Anything to keep letting the illegal alien vote continue, right Clayton?
That 9 or 10 million is going to be crucial this year...
Oooohhh....scary stealth votes. It's undetected because it is undetectable. It's not happening.
I've got no problem requiring photo identification at the polling place as long as the ID is provided free of charge, that the program takes YEARS, not months to implement, insuring that voters have ample opportunity to secure the necessary documents and that there is a grandfather clause for...well, grandfathers. If you're a gazillion years old and have been voting in every election since the Johnson administration, you get to fucking vote and not have to provide documentation that doesn't exist because you weren't born in a goddamn hospital.
Did you miss this question, Seawytch??
You work in California elections, correct?
Can you tell us how many ineligible voters in your state cast ballots in 2010?
In the gubernatorial election in 2010, (in my county) one voter was identified as voting twice...once by mail. ID at the polls would not have prevented it. What would have is pollworkers following the procedures and requiring the voter vote provisionally.
Accusations, not evidence its only what you can prove in a court of law.
You also seem confused as to the process: only citizens can vote, a voter proves hes a citizen when he registers to vote, providing whatever documentation in accordance with his states law.
WRONG!! There is NO PROOF of eligibility required to register.
You should know that...
Not true. Check out the Help America Vote Act.
Voter identification
HAVA requires any voter who registered by mail and who has not previously voted in a federal election to show current and valid photo identification or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter. Voters who submitted any of these forms of identification during registration are exempt, as are voters entitled to vote by absentee ballot under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act.
Anything to keep letting the illegal alien vote continue, right Clayton?
That 9 or 10 million is going to be crucial this year...
Fraud on that scale would be impossible to hide, so be sure to let us know the second you uncover the evidence 9 or 10 million illegal aliens are registered to vote, mm-kay?
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Did you miss this question, Seawytch??
In the gubernatorial election in 2010, (in my county) one voter was identified as voting twice...once by mail. ID at the polls would not have prevented it. What would have is pollworkers following the procedures and requiring the voter vote provisionally.
That wasn't the question, Seawytch.
You want to try again?
Anything to keep letting the illegal alien vote continue, right Clayton?
That 9 or 10 million is going to be crucial this year...
Fraud on that scale would be impossible to hide, so be sure to let us know the second you uncover the evidence 9 or 10 million illegal aliens are registered to vote, mm-kay?
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The point is it is NOT hidden.
There is no verification of eligibility prior to or during the registration process.
There is no verification of eligibility prior to or during the voting process.
There is no verification of eligibility, AT ALL.
Anything to keep letting the illegal alien vote continue, right Clayton?
That 9 or 10 million is going to be crucial this year...
Fraud on that scale would be impossible to hide, so be sure to let us know the second you uncover the evidence 9 or 10 million illegal aliens are registered to vote, mm-kay?
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The point is it is NOT hidden.
There is no verification of eligibility prior to or during the registration process.
There is no verification of eligibility prior to or during the voting process.
There is no verification of eligibility, AT ALL.
Thus at some point the voter must prove hes eligible to vote.All voters who registered to vote in Texas must provide a Texas driver's license number or personal identification number issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety or the last four digits of your social security number. If you have not been issued any of these numbers, then you must state that fact on the application by checking the designated box.
A voter who has not been issued a drivers license or social security number may register to vote, but such voter must submit proof of identification when presenting himself/herself for voting or with his/her mail-in ballots, if voting by mail. These voters names are flagged on the official voter registration list with the annotation of ID. The ID notation instructs the poll worker to request a proper form of identification from these voters when they present themselves for voting.
Texas Voting
Why is this an issue. Most Americans has some form of ID. A drivers license, medicare card, social security card, etc. Who does the inability to produce ID disenfranchise? I just don't get it. Why does the left continue to support NOT producing ID when voting. Perhaps I'm just a stupid conservative!
Who does the inability to produce ID disenfranchise?
With but a few exceptions nobody.
So what is the acceptable ratio? How many voters are you willing to disenfranchise for every one incident of fraud that is stopped?
Fraud on that scale would be impossible to hide, so be sure to let us know the second you uncover the evidence 9 or 10 million illegal aliens are registered to vote, mm-kay?
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The point is it is NOT hidden.
There is no verification of eligibility prior to or during the registration process.
There is no verification of eligibility prior to or during the voting process.
There is no verification of eligibility, AT ALL.
In what state or jurisdiction?
Unless you can document otherwise, every state requires citizens to document their eligibility to vote.
In Texas, for example, as in the other states, elections officials review your registration application and verify that youre a citizen and eligible to vote:
Thus at some point the voter must prove hes eligible to vote.All voters who registered to vote in Texas must provide a Texas driver's license number or personal identification number issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety or the last four digits of your social security number. If you have not been issued any of these numbers, then you must state that fact on the application by checking the designated box.
A voter who has not been issued a drivers license or social security number may register to vote, but such voter must submit proof of identification when presenting himself/herself for voting or with his/her mail-in ballots, if voting by mail. These voters names are flagged on the official voter registration list with the annotation of ID. The ID notation instructs the poll worker to request a proper form of identification from these voters when they present themselves for voting.
Texas Voting
Once the state has documented the voter is eligible and is registered to vote, there is no need to compel him to prove eligibility time and again at every election unless the state has evidence a voter is no longer eligible, such as a felony conviction.
In the gubernatorial election in 2010, (in my county) one voter was identified as voting twice...once by mail. ID at the polls would not have prevented it. What would have is pollworkers following the procedures and requiring the voter vote provisionally.
That wasn't the question, Seawytch.
You want to try again?
How am I expected to answer? I don't work for the state. I can speak only for my county. We have had no incidents of in person voter fraud since I've worked for an Elections office (7 years).
The point is it is NOT hidden.
There is no verification of eligibility prior to or during the registration process.
There is no verification of eligibility prior to or during the voting process.
There is no verification of eligibility, AT ALL.
In what state or jurisdiction?
Unless you can document otherwise, every state requires citizens to document their eligibility to vote.
In Texas, for example, as in the other states, elections officials review your registration application and verify that youre a citizen and eligible to vote:
Thus at some point the voter must prove hes eligible to vote.All voters who registered to vote in Texas must provide a Texas driver's license number or personal identification number issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety or the last four digits of your social security number. If you have not been issued any of these numbers, then you must state that fact on the application by checking the designated box.
A voter who has not been issued a drivers license or social security number may register to vote, but such voter must submit proof of identification when presenting himself/herself for voting or with his/her mail-in ballots, if voting by mail. These voters names are flagged on the official voter registration list with the annotation of ID. The ID notation instructs the poll worker to request a proper form of identification from these voters when they present themselves for voting.
Texas Voting
Once the state has documented the voter is eligible and is registered to vote, there is no need to compel him to prove eligibility time and again at every election unless the state has evidence a voter is no longer eligible, such as a felony conviction.
Presenting a Drivers License proves eligibility? Gee, aren't the 'evil Conservatives' having conniption fits over illegal aliens getting those things in several states? Didn't California just pass a law allowing DL's for illegal aliens? How many other states give DL's to illegal aliens?
And checking a box and swearing 'under penalty of perjury' that you're eligible is NOT VERIFYING that eligibility.
That wasn't the question, Seawytch.
You want to try again?
How am I expected to answer? I don't work for the state. I can speak only for my county. We have had no incidents of in person voter fraud since I've worked for an Elections office (7 years).
So in your county can you tell me how many ineligible voters cast ballots in 2010?
No, you can't, because there is no way of finding out if a particular voter is eligible or not.
If they're registered, they're eligible, I guess, REGARDLESS of their true citizenship status.
How am I expected to answer? I don't work for the state. I can speak only for my county. We have had no incidents of in person voter fraud since I've worked for an Elections office (7 years).
So in your county can you tell me how many ineligible voters cast ballots in 2010?
No, you can't, because there is no way of finding out if a particular voter is eligible or not.
If they're registered, they're eligible, I guess, REGARDLESS of their true citizenship status.
An eligible vote is cast by a Registered voter, period. If they are registered and their ID did not clear the statewide system, they are required to provide ID at the time they vote. ID requirements are set forth in the NVRA and HAVA.
Voter identification
HAVA requires any voter who registered by mail and who has not previously voted in a federal election to show current and valid photo identification or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter. Voters who submitted any of these forms of identification during registration are exempt, as are voters entitled to vote by absentee ballot under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act.
So in your county can you tell me how many ineligible voters cast ballots in 2010?
No, you can't, because there is no way of finding out if a particular voter is eligible or not.
If they're registered, they're eligible, I guess, REGARDLESS of their true citizenship status.
An eligible vote is cast by a Registered voter, period. If they are registered and their ID did not clear the statewide system, they are required to provide ID at the time they vote. ID requirements are set forth in the NVRA and HAVA.
Yep, and we've all seen just how stringent those requirements are, too.
Voter identification
HAVA requires any voter who registered by mail and who has not previously voted in a federal election to show current and valid photo identification or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter. Voters who submitted any of these forms of identification during registration are exempt, as are voters entitled to vote by absentee ballot under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act.
