Voter ID

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    Why is this an issue. Most Americans has some form of ID. A drivers license, medicare card, social security card, etc. Who does the inability to produce ID disenfranchise? I just don't get it. Why does the left continue to support NOT producing ID when voting. Perhaps I'm just a stupid conservative!
     
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    Perhaps you have missed the umpteen thousand other topics we've had on Voter ID in the past month.

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    Key word: "Most".


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    Yes and "have some form of ID" play along PLEASE!!!
     
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    Most =/= all.

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    Because unlike driving, voting is a fundamental right. And ‘the left’ is more interested in protecting voting rights rather than trying to find ways to prevent Americans from voting.

    You’re likely not stupid, but indeed partisan, and buy into the myth that ‘voter fraud’ is costing republicans elections.
     
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    Most illegal aliens don't have ID. Those who live in states that offer anyone a license can vote because they are registered through motor voter registration.

    Elderly people can still have valid IDs even if they don't drive. I wonder how many people who are still in their right mind will bother to register to vote or get themselves to the polls or request an absentee ballot if getting an ID is too much trouble. I think states who passed voter ID laws were offering IDs for free. No matter how old you are, you can still prove who you are if you are a citizen.

    I just do not buy the fact that there are people who have no form of ID, yet are not working or taking some form of government aid. Whether a person has a job or is in a state nursing facility, they have their number. A valid Social Security number and/or birth certificate should suffice as ID. If elderly people had a driver's license in the past, the state has their information, so they would hand in the last ID they obtained, even if expired. The left claims there are people who don't work, don't take welfare, don't write checks, drive or any other thing that requires an ID. If that is so, how did they find these people because they can't buy houses or rent or even get a phone without ID? How do these people survive without an income or welfare?

    The answer is that they are illegal aliens using a fake name and a stolen social security number and they would not be able to obtain a legal ID. Many are working or even buying homes using other people's numbers and identities. If they attempted to get a state driver's license using the same information they use to get their jobs or loans, they might get arrested for identity theft. The DMV has made the documents harder to duplicate and now they do a check when you renew or get one for the first time. One thing they check for is to see if someone else is already using your information. That is why the left refuses to accept voter ID laws. It would stop a lot of illegal voting and it would alert the public to just how rampant identity theft is in this country. It's staggering and the government does nothing.
     
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    A birth certificate is not free, and it takes time to get one. Some states charge a hundred dollars for a birth certificate.

    You need a birth certificate to get most forms of government ID.

    So the claim that IDs are free and easy to get is bullshit.

    That is why a Republican judge in Pennsylvania halted their Voter ID law for this election. The ID requirements were too restrictive for everyone who needs an ID to get one in time.




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    Speaking of "most", most voter fraud occurs long before election day. In person voter fraud is practically negligible, and a very small percentage of those cases would be stopped by Voter ID. In person fraud cases such as someone voting in two different states would not be stopped by Voter ID. The only in person voter fraud that would be stopped by Voter ID is if someone voted as a dead person, and that problem can be solved simply by keeping voter registration rolls properly updated. Key word: properly. So before you mention Florida, you should know that Florida did it improperly and purged eligible citizens from their rolls. That is disenfranchisment.

    There is no fraud which only Voter ID could prevent or catch. Voter ID brings no added value to the voting process. It does prevent some eligible citizens from voting, and that is a fact, and that is its real purpose.

    Voter ID is a "solution" in search of a problem, as some judges have said.

    Here is a birth certificate application for the state of CT: http://www.ct.gov/dph/LIB/dph/hisr/vr/vs_39b.pdf

    It costs $20 to get a birth certificate.

    The turnaround time is 6 weeks: DPH: State Vital Records Office - Birth Certificates


    Voter ID proponents believe we need more government bureaucracy and hurdles in the exercising of our constitutional rights. They must also believe that more government bureacracy means more efficiency.

    That's why I call them UnConservatives. They sure as shit aren't conservatives.




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    Yeah....I don't have an issue with requiring ID to vote. I didn't agree with the way the GOP was trying to implement it immediately.

    It seemed to be more of an issue of voter suppression than fraud prevention.
     

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