Voter Fraud Hype: The GOP War On Voting Rights

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Dead people voting is a type of election fraud that occurs when the name of a deceased person remains on a state's official list of registered voters and a living person fraudulently casts a ballot in that name.

The extent to which this type of vote fraud occurs is not known. If, after an election, a reporter examines the publicly available list of who voted in the election and finds from other evidence (such as the Social Security Administration's "Death Master File") that there is good reason to believe that some of the names on the list of those who voted are the names of people who are dead, it can be established that "dead people voted." Such painstaking analyses are expensive and cumbersome.

It is easier to determine how many names of deceased people still appear on official voter registration lists than it is to determine how many (if any) actual votes were fraudulently cast in the name of a deceased person.

Some recent examples of elections in which actual fraudulent votes were cast on behalf of dead people include a 2005 state senate election in Tennessee that was decided by fewer than 20 votes; in this case, a post-election verification process established that two fraudulent votes were cast on behalf of dead people. Three election workers were indicted, and the results of the election were voided. The mayoral election in Miami in 1997 was nullified by a judge because of widespread fraud, including a number of established cases of fraudulent votes cast in the name of dead people. Election inspectors looking at the 1982 gubernatorial election in Illinois estimated that as many as 1 in 10 ballots cast during the election were fraudulent, including votes by the dead.[1]
Names of deceased on registration lists

When the Poughkeepsie Journal in New York did a 2006 analysis of how names of deceased people were still on New York's official list of registered voters, it conducted the assessment by matching "the names, dates of birth and ZIP codes of all listed voters in New York's database of 11.7 million voter registration records against the same information in the Social Security Administration's 'Death Master File,' a database of 77 million records of deaths dating to 1937." That study resulted in a final estimate of as many as 77,000 dead people on its rolls, and that as many as 2,600 of them had cast votes from the grave.[1]

Dead people voting - Ballotpedia

 

[Stephanie]

Maybe Democrats should propose IQ tests for voting?

they could test this out starting with you and a few others here..

 

[bripat9643]

Maybe Democrats should propose IQ tests for voting?

they could test this out starting with you and a few others here..

First we need to test him to make sure he's not dead.

 

[daveman]

Are you blind?????????

You seem to be.

How much voter fraud is acceptable? How much would it take for you to find it unacceptable?

Any reasonable amount that does not affect the outcome of an election and doesn't disenfranchise legal voters from exercising their rights. Few things in life have zero margin of error. I consider 0.4 (less than 1) violations per year per state over 14 years to be totally acceptable.

The Cutting Edge News

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden*tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Cen*sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.​

That is not acceptable.

Here's the GAO report, page 42-43:

AOUSC officials and federal jury administrators we spoke with generally
did not have exact data on the number of people called for jury service
that responded that they were non-citizens. Consequently, no information
was available from federal jury administrators in six U.S. district courts,
but federal jury administrators in eight U.S. district courts provided either
exact numbers or estimates. Of the eight district courts, four federal jury
administrators said no one had been disqualified from jury service because
they were not U.S. citizens. In the other four district courts:

• a federal jury administrator in one U.S. district court estimated that 1 to
3 percent of the people out of a jury pool of 30,000 over 2 years (about
300 to 900 people) said they were not U.S. citizens;
• a federal jury administrator in a second U.S. district court estimated
that less than 1 percent of the people out of a jury pool of 35,000 names
each month (less than 350 people) said they were not U.S. citizens;
• a federal jury administrator in a third U.S. district court estimated that
about 150 people out of a jury pool of 95,000 names over 2 years said
they were not U.S. citizens; and
• a federal jury administrator in a fourth U.S. district court estimated that
annually about 5 people typically claimed non-citizenship in a jury pool
of about 50,000 individuals.​

Of the 14 U.S. district courts contacted, only the jury administrator for the
Eastern District of Virginia provided feedback to voter registration
authorities if a prospective juror claimed not to be a U.S. citizen.​

​

 

[Uncensored2008]

What was the founding fathers' opinion on photo ID? For all you constitutionalists.

The same as their opinion on Facebook campaigns.

 

[daveman]

note they just IGNORE the study which was done post an election and proved that voters were disenfrachised.

They simply pretend it means nothing.

This is why this country is in such a mess.

we have insane people pretending they are correct when all they do is ignore the cold hard facts.

You mean like you're ignoring these cold hard facts:

How much voter fraud is acceptable? How much would it take for you to find it unacceptable?

Any reasonable amount that does not affect the outcome of an election and doesn't disenfranchise legal voters from exercising their rights. Few things in life have zero margin of error. I consider 0.4 (less than 1) violations per year per state over 14 years to be totally acceptable.

The Cutting Edge News

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden*tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Cen*sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.​

That is not acceptable.

Here's the GAO report, page 42-43:

AOUSC officials and federal jury administrators we spoke with generally
did not have exact data on the number of people called for jury service
that responded that they were non-citizens. Consequently, no information
was available from federal jury administrators in six U.S. district courts,
but federal jury administrators in eight U.S. district courts provided either
exact numbers or estimates. Of the eight district courts, four federal jury
administrators said no one had been disqualified from jury service because
they were not U.S. citizens. In the other four district courts:

• a federal jury administrator in one U.S. district court estimated that 1 to
3 percent of the people out of a jury pool of 30,000 over 2 years (about
300 to 900 people) said they were not U.S. citizens;
• a federal jury administrator in a second U.S. district court estimated
that less than 1 percent of the people out of a jury pool of 35,000 names
each month (less than 350 people) said they were not U.S. citizens;
• a federal jury administrator in a third U.S. district court estimated that
about 150 people out of a jury pool of 95,000 names over 2 years said
they were not U.S. citizens; and
• a federal jury administrator in a fourth U.S. district court estimated that
annually about 5 people typically claimed non-citizenship in a jury pool
of about 50,000 individuals.​

Of the 14 U.S. district courts contacted, only the jury administrator for the
Eastern District of Virginia provided feedback to voter registration
authorities if a prospective juror claimed not to be a U.S. citizen.​

​

 

[Uncensored2008]

Maybe Democrats should propose IQ tests for voting?

You can just volunteer not to vote instead.

Figure it this way; if you voted for Obama in '08, you lack the mental acumen to responsibly vote!

 

[Stephanie]

Anyone find it funny, Democrats are all for regulating everything under the sun, BUT VOTING?

why do you think that is?

hummmm

 

[Uncensored2008]

First we need to test him to make sure he's not dead.

His IQ is the same as a dead person....

 

[daveman]

why do you pretend the levels of fraud that was found by the Bush five year study constitutes an electorial threat?

Now you're moving the goalposts.

At first the left claimed there was zero voter fraud.

Now it's not enough to matter.

Which is, of course, horseshit. If you don't support ending all voter fraud, you're disenfranchising legal voters.

Of course, we know why you don't support ending voter fraud. Because Democrats benefit from it.

Minnesota Leads the Nation in Voter Fraud Convictions -- ST. PAUL, Minn., Oct. 13, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

 

[daveman]

where are your facts people?

Minnesota Leads the Nation in Voter Fraud Convictions -- ST. PAUL, Minn., Oct. 13, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

 

[daveman]

In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud - New York Times

Minnesota Leads the Nation in Voter Fraud Convictions -- ST. PAUL, Minn., Oct. 13, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

 

[daveman]

I'm sure they would have been baffled by the inability of their fellow citizens to accomplish something as simple as aquiring a photo ID. The Founding Fathers weren't known for "whining" about something being hard...especially when it isn't.

The Framers would have certainly had an issue with the necessity, however; given the fact there is no evidence to justify the ID requirement in the first place.

Does anyone have any "proof" of dead people voting?

No.

Nor does the right have any proof of an election result altered by ‘voter fraud’ or any proof of a significant number of convictions. And of those convicted, an ID requirement wouldn’t have stopped the fraud.

The right’s not going to let this go, they’re going to try to keep this myth alive as long as possible, using irrelevant, unsubstantiated, antidotal ‘evidence’ in support.

Minnesota Leads the Nation in Voter Fraud Convictions -- ST. PAUL, Minn., Oct. 13, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

 

[daveman]

Maybe Democrats should propose IQ tests for voting?

You'd disenfranchise your base. The left thinks that minorities are too stupid to get an ID card.

 

[merrill]

When the RINO dominated repub party wants to present the facade that they are concerned about a matter beware.

Remember the voting fraud is in computerized voting by machines such as Diebold. Diebold is a major investor in the RINO dominated repub party. Why should the USA be using Diebold machines? Computers can be directed to vote wrong and you would not know the difference.

This same party wants to give Wall Street trillions of Social Security Insurance tax dollars
so they proceed to paint Social Security Insurance as this evil object that grows the deficit which is a complete lie. Social Security adds nothing to the deficit. Wall Street is a tax dollar moocher.

Medicare Insurance is the most efficient insurance program on the planet and is not free no way jose'. The medical insurance industry sees trillions of tax dollars in the Medicare Insurance program and they want it. Yes the medical insurance industry is a tax dollar moocher.

The Iraq war is based on lies which makes war profiteers and their investors plenty of money. The Bush family are investors in weapons systems and set up deals. Iraq is painted as the evil empire over and over and over again. Trillions of dollars go into war aka one big money hole.

Americans should learn to ask questions and a lot of them when politicians begin selling the taxpayers a line of crap which could be most of the time. Politicians need to be looked upon as uninformed used car sales people until some hard evidence is presented
to substantiate their positions. Talk show hosts do not represent hard evidence across the board.

The fraud is in Diebold voting machines. BS ID cards cannot stop that which the RINO dominated party is well aware. There is no voting fraud of any significance anywhere in the USA except in computers.

Dump the computers!!!

 

[candycorn]

Maybe Democrats should propose IQ tests for voting?

You'd disenfranchise your base. The left thinks that minorities are too stupid to get an ID card.

TM seems to think that. He/she won't come out and say why requiring an ID would prevent those from voting.

There doesn't appear to be anything physical since minorities certainly work, pay taxes, own guns, drive vehicles, and hold positions in the public service.

So the only thing left is the assumption that some minorities....the title of this silly "study" that he/she keeps touting is "Study: South Carolina voter ID law hit black precincts hardest - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com". Blacks.

I'm sorry to say this but I think you're right since he can't or simply won't give any reason other than citing a minority group is effected by an ID law. If it isn't that, what else can it be? He won't tell us so we have to speculate.

 

[daveman]

Maybe Democrats should propose IQ tests for voting?

You'd disenfranchise your base. The left thinks that minorities are too stupid to get an ID card.

TM seems to think that. He/she won't come out and say why requiring an ID would prevent those from voting.

There doesn't appear to be anything physical since minorities certainly work, pay taxes, own guns, drive vehicles, and hold positions in the public service.

So the only thing left is the assumption that some minorities....the title of this silly "study" that he/she keeps touting is "Study: South Carolina voter ID law hit black precincts hardest - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com". Blacks.

I'm sorry to say this but I think you're right since he can't or simply won't give any reason other than citing a minority group is effected by an ID law. If it isn't that, what else can it be? He won't tell us so we have to speculate.

Damn shame I can't rep you right now.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Sure shithead.

Felons like you want to vote without voter ID laws.

Easier for GOP to Rig Voting Than Win Elections Fairly: Voter Restrictions Based on Shoddy Evidence

By Steve Benen

To rationalize the "war on voting," Republican policymakers point to the scourge of voter fraud. The problem, of course, is that the allegations of fraud are largely imaginary, and GOP officials are really just looking for excuses to block traditionally-Democratic constituencies from voting.

But wait, Republicans say, occasionally there really is fraud. In fact, the Republican National Lawyers Association (RNLA) released a report last week to document all the cases of voter fraud that have been prosecuted over the last decade.

And what did the group turn up? A grand total of 311 cases. Given the larger national context -- over 131 million Americans voted in 2008, for example -- that's an infinitesimally small number.

But as Julia Krieger explained, that's really just the start of the problems with the RNLA's findings.

What's more, the RNLA is dishonestly representing their data when they describe it as "in the past decade": A quick gander at the website's evidence shows citations going as far back as 1997. Although they claim to have evidence of 46 states with voter fraud prosecutions in the last decade, their website only lists 44 states. For two of those 44, there are only examples from the 1990s up to 2000, bringing the state count down to 42. To be clear, that's eight states where they identified no instances of voter fraud in the last decade.

Further, the RNLA brags: "The RNLA webpage presents evidence that there were at least seventeen cases involving prosecutions for non-citizen voting in 2005 just in one state: Florida." However, according to the Department of Justice, at least four of the seventeen cases they list were dismissed.​

Remember, we're talking about a Republican group taking its best shot at this. RNLA officials could take their time to do as much comprehensive research as they wanted, they could define their terms to their liking; they could massage the results to match their pre-determined conclusion; and they still couldn't make much of a case.

And if the RNLA thinks these 311 cases from the last decade -- some of which weren't from the last decade, some of which were cases that got thrown out of court, some of which may have very well have been innocent mistakes -- justify a national campaign to restrict Americans' access to their own democracy, they're wildly misguided.

Republicans support all kinds of new voting restrictions -- voter-ID laws, severe limits on voter-registration drives, closing early-voting windows, strict new limits on absentee ballots -- because they find it easier to rig voter eligibility than to win elections fair and square. It's why all of these restrictions affect traditionally Democratic constituencies.

GOP officials can keep defending a foolish pretense about imaginary fraud, but there's no reason for anyone else to take it seriously.

Easier for GOP to Rig Voting Than Win Elections Fairly: Voter Restrictions Based on Shoddy Evidence | AlterNet

Supporting Links:

The GOP War on Voting | Politics News | Rolling Stone

The Myth of Voter Fraud - New York Times

The big question is: Why does the GOP push an issue that really doesn't exist?

The big answer is: Because big voter turnouts usually favor Democrats.

So anything the GOP can do that will discourage voter turnout can only help the GOP. And they don't care how hard they make it on the poor and elderly to exercize their right to vote as long as they can push their agenda. And that agenda is to give tax breaks to the wealthy while continuing to favor a big, activist government that intrudes on the private lives of its citizens.

 

[candycorn]

You'd disenfranchise your base. The left thinks that minorities are too stupid to get an ID card.

TM seems to think that. He/she won't come out and say why requiring an ID would prevent those from voting.

There doesn't appear to be anything physical since minorities certainly work, pay taxes, own guns, drive vehicles, and hold positions in the public service.

So the only thing left is the assumption that some minorities....the title of this silly "study" that he/she keeps touting is "Study: South Carolina voter ID law hit black precincts hardest - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com". Blacks.

I'm sorry to say this but I think you're right since he can't or simply won't give any reason other than citing a minority group is effected by an ID law. If it isn't that, what else can it be? He won't tell us so we have to speculate.

Damn shame I can't rep you right now.

Thanks....

I'm willing to hear him/her out. It would make one more apt to think there is a stance to defend if he/she could give a bad reason....but TM won't even do that. In a word; pathetic.

 

[daveman]

TM seems to think that. He/she won't come out and say why requiring an ID would prevent those from voting.

There doesn't appear to be anything physical since minorities certainly work, pay taxes, own guns, drive vehicles, and hold positions in the public service.

So the only thing left is the assumption that some minorities....the title of this silly "study" that he/she keeps touting is "Study: South Carolina voter ID law hit black precincts hardest - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com". Blacks.

I'm sorry to say this but I think you're right since he can't or simply won't give any reason other than citing a minority group is effected by an ID law. If it isn't that, what else can it be? He won't tell us so we have to speculate.

Damn shame I can't rep you right now.

Thanks....

I'm willing to hear him/her out. It would make one more apt to think there is a stance to defend if he/she could give a bad reason....but TM won't even do that. In a word; pathetic.

TM doesn't defend stances. She's a bitter clinger.