Virginia women protest "state mandated rape"

[C_Clayton_Jones]

…and my feeling is we shouldn't be changing the subject when the real issue is being mandated to have a vaginal probe by the state.

Yes, but the subject must be changed by those who know they’ll lose the debate concerning the real issue.

This seems to be just normal healthy practice. There is no such thing as a vaginal ultrasound probe that I am aware of and it is not mandated here.

As already noted, it is mandated to the extent a fetal image must be obtained 24 hours prior to the abortion, often not possible with the non-invasive procedure:

In its current form, Virginia’s bill requires that the ultrasound find and monitor the fetal heartbeat and provide an image of the shape of the fetus. As in other states with ultrasound laws, this will often require a probe to be inserted into the vagina. The nonintrusive abdominal ultrasound, on the other hand, often cannot capture the fetus at its small size in the first trimester, when most abortions are performed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/u...ng-ultrasound-before-abortion-nears-vote.html

To obtain the image required by law, an invasive, transvaginal ultrasound will be required. The measure doesn’t need to have the actual words ‘transvaginal ultrasound’ to mandate the procedure.

The invasive transvaginal ultrasound clearly manifests an undue burden per Casey, and is consequently un-Constitutional.

Text of the bill:

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/295207/virginia-hb462.pdf

 

[sealybobo]

I am just loving it that Republicans have alienated so many groups there is no way they can win in 2012. They only win midterms because no one votes in Midterms. I do, but most Democratic and Independant voters don't show up. But Republicans do.

Anyways, it won't be close enough for them to steal it like Bush did in 2000 and 2004. Obama is going to slaughter anyone the right nominates. The right has over reached way too far. Attacked unions, teachers, hispanics, and now women!!! 2012 is going to be a landslide.

 

[Listening]

Chris has already signed up for his mandated "session".

I'll be he's all excited about this one.

 

[Amelia]

Why are Catholics okay with their health insurance covering Viagra but not contraceptives?

Could it be because preventing pregnancy unnaturally is against church tenets and aiding things which could lead to pregnancy is not?

Just a wild guess.

Don't let me get in the way of your hijack of the thread.

 

[Lakhota]

Why are Catholics okay with their health insurance covering Viagra but not contraceptives?

Could it be because preventing pregnancy unnaturally is against church tenets and aiding things which could lead to pregnancy is not?

Just a wild guess.

Don't let me get in the way of your hijack of the thread.

There is no thread hijacking. These issues are all interconnected.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Chris, you think in such shallow terms. The problems we face are much larger than your childish perceptions of the right.

People like you prevent solutions. I'd be embarrassed to post the tripe you do.

 

[Zoom-boing]

What's wrong with getting a visual on what's growing inside so you can make a more informed decision? The more you know and all.

Bitching about a vaginal ultrasound being too 'invasive' but shoving a vacuum or other implements all the way up there to suck out the living, growing human isn't?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Chris, you think in such shallow terms. The problems we face are much larger than your childish perceptions of the right.

People like you prevent solutions. I'd be embarrassed to post the tripe you do.

But the right is equally unwilling to find actual solutions, just as you accuse the OP.

 

[Avatar4321]

So a bunch of women got together to protest and lie? State mandated rape? Please.

You realize the truth is a lot more powerful than appeals to emotion based on lies right?

 

[Amelia]

Why are Catholics okay with their health insurance covering Viagra but not contraceptives?

Could it be because preventing pregnancy unnaturally is against church tenets and aiding things which could lead to pregnancy is not?

Just a wild guess.

Don't let me get in the way of your hijack of the thread.

There is no thread hijacking. These issues are all interconnected.

How are your objections to Catholic doctrine related to Virginia's abortion legislation?

 

[sealybobo]

Why are Catholics okay with their health insurance covering Viagra but not contraceptives?

Could it be because preventing pregnancy unnaturally is against church tenets and aiding things which could lead to pregnancy is not?

Just a wild guess.

Don't let me get in the way of your hijack of the thread.

Yea, but half your argument is asking why we are paying for the $800 a year instead of making poor women pay out of their own pocket. First of all, that proves you don't realize the importance of birth control. Birth control saves us millions of dollars a year in welfare costs. Fact.

So the same should be asked about viagra. Why is it covered? It isn't preventative or necessary. Make men pay out of pocket if they want to get hard ons.

And you forget that birth control is used for more reasons other than birth control. Birth control is much more important than viagra.

And the catholic cult is extreme, radical and wrong in their position on birth control. Out dated. And they cover up gay child molestation.

 

[Ed Spacer]

so when Obamacare mandates men get a finger shoved up their ass for a prostate check, are they going to call that rape too..

Absolutely. Equality means same for both genders.

 

[sealybobo]

Could it be because preventing pregnancy unnaturally is against church tenets and aiding things which could lead to pregnancy is not?

Just a wild guess.

Don't let me get in the way of your hijack of the thread.

There is no thread hijacking. These issues are all interconnected.

How are your objections to Catholic doctrine related to Virginia's abortion legislation?

You guys don't realize we are overpopulated and birth control and abortion is a necessary evil. You will pay a lot more for welfare if you outlaw abortion.

I think Republicans want more poor kids and not less because that will mean lower wages. If there are more poor people than there are jobs, then wages stay low.

 

[sealybobo]

so when Obamacare mandates men get a finger shoved up their ass for a prostate check, are they going to call that rape too..

Absolutely. Equality means same for both genders.

Under a new GOP bill, you must first walk through the mall naked with a sign saying you are a whore murdering your baby before you can get an abortion.

 

[Amelia]

sealybobo:

a) I'm not going to help you help Lakhota's hijack.
b) see a.

That is all.

 

[Lakhota]

Could it be because preventing pregnancy unnaturally is against church tenets and aiding things which could lead to pregnancy is not?

Just a wild guess.

Don't let me get in the way of your hijack of the thread.

There is no thread hijacking. These issues are all interconnected.

How are your objections to Catholic doctrine related to Virginia's abortion legislation?

My understanding is that contraceptives help decrease the need for abortions. It is also my understanding that Roe v. Wade does not require a woman to have a state-mandated probe stuck into her vagina prior to having a legal abortion.

 

[Zander]

so when Obamacare mandates men get a finger shoved up their ass for a prostate check, are they going to call that rape too..

Absolutely. Equality means same for both genders.

Under a new GOP bill, you must first walk through the mall naked with a sign saying you are a whore murdering your baby before you can get an abortion.

An aspirin between the knees works well too...less shame and self loathing afterwards...

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

It kinda pisses me off to know that someone in my state that thinks like Chris negates my vote with theirs.

 

[Ed Spacer]

Unless people can have responsible sex,keep your fucking legs closed. It is a matter of this society not accepting of personal individual responsiblility,and a culture and government promoting of such.

 

[Ed Spacer]

Problem is too,deals were struck when I lived in MA to gain votes from Puerto Ricans by offering them to come to MA and get all the welfare they want. In exchange for votes. True story. They even have billboards in PR advertising this.