So when will our murder rates come down to US levels ?
What are the demographics of both countries?
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So when will our murder rates come down to US levels ?
We have had a conservative government for 8 years. The rise in crime has coincided with their cuts to policing and community services. You know nothing about the UK, or anything else really.
We have had a conservative government for 8 years. The rise in crime has coincided with their cuts to policing and community services. You know nothing about the UK, or anything else really.So when will our murder rates come down to US levels ?I dream of the day when we are as safe as the US. Said nobody ever.Wrong...you have an increasing flow of illegal guns flooding Britain, you have teenagers stabbing each other to death in record numbers, so you are about to experience gun crime like you haven't experienced it before.....
Law abiding citizens are not shooting people...... our schools are gun free zones created by people like you, leaving those in those places helpless while they are being murdered...meanwhile, actual research shows that armed citizens are 94% effective against mass public shooters in stopping them or reducing deaths and injuries...you will want to keep that statistic at hand in the next few years in Britain....you are going to need it....
Your country is more violent than the U.S.....and here, our violence is contained to tiny areas in democrat party controlled neighborhoods....you, your crime is all over your country, and getting worse....
Given time.....you might just see it one day......your police are over stretched, your young men are more violent after decades of single teenage mothers heading households.......and guns flooding your country.... thanks to left wing policies....
I agree, the answer to gun violence is not "more guns"; it's like saying "quick, use the gasoline to put out the fire," madness.
That's an ABSURD analogy. Humans cause violence, and often cause fires whether it be with gasoline, or any other TOOL. The tool does not cause the problem. People do. Take responsibility humans! Does your fork cause you to be fat?
Maybe, but it's still valid. Perhaps organisations like the CDC should be allowed to conduct proper research into the causes of gun violence.
They can and have been doing gun research, they were only stopped from advocating for gun confiscation.....
No, The Government Is Not 'Banned' From Studying Gun Violence
Absolutely nothing in the amendment prohibits the CDC from studying “gun violence,” even if this narrowly focused topic tells us little. In response to this inconvenient fact, gun controllers will explain that while there isn’t an outright ban, the Dickey amendment has a “chilling” effect on the study of gun violence.
Does it? Pointing out that “research plummeted after the 1996 ban” could just as easily tell us that most research funded by the CDC had been politically motivated. Because the idea that the CDC, whose spectacular mission creep has taken it from its primary goal of preventing malaria and other dangerous communicable diseases, to spending hundreds of millions of dollars nagging you about how much salt you put on your steaks or how often you do calisthenics, is nervous about the repercussions of engaging in non-partisan research is hard to believe.
Also unlikely is the notion that a $2.6 million cut in funding so horrified the agency that it was rendered powerless to pay for or conduct studies on gun violence. The CDC funding tripled from 1996 to 2010. The CDC’s budget is over six billion dollars today.
And the idea that the CDC was paralyzed through two-years of full Democratic Party control, and then six years under a president who was more antagonistic towards the Second Amendment than any other in history, is difficult to believe, because it’s provably false.
In 2013, President Barack Obama not only signed an Executive Order directing the CDC to research “gun violence,” the administration also provided an additional $10 million to do it. Here is the study on gun violence that was supposedly banned and yet funded by the CDC. You might not have heard about the resulting research, because it contains numerous inconvenient facts about gun ownership that fails to propel the predetermined narrative. Trump’s HHS Secretary Alex Azar is also open to the idea of funding more gun violence research.
It’s not banned. It’s not chilled.
Meanwhile, numerous states and private entities fund peer-reviewed studies and other research on gun violence. I know this because gun control advocates are constantly sending me studies that distort and conflate issues to help them make their arguments. My inbox is bombarded with studies and conferences and “webinars” dissecting gun violence.
The real problem here is two-fold. One, researchers want the CDC involved so they can access government data about American gun owners. Considering the rhetoric coming from Democrats — gun ownership being tantamount to terrorism, and so on — there’s absolutely no reason Republicans should acquiesce to helping gun controllers circumvent the privacy of Americans citizens peacefully practicing their Constitutional rights.
Second, gun control advocates want to lift the ban on politically skewed research because they’re interested in producing politically skewed research. When the American Medical Association declares gun violence a “public health crisis,” it’s not interested in a balance look at the issue. When researchers advocate lifting the restrictions on advocacy at the CDC, they don’t even pretend they not to hold pre-conceived notions about the outcomes.
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There’s no reason to allow activists — then or now — to use the veneer of state-sanctioned science for their partisan purposes. For example, we now know that Rosenberg and others at the CDC turned out to be wrong about the correlation between guns and crime — a steep drop in gun crimes coincided with the explosions of gun ownership from 1996 to 2014.
Law abiding citizens are not shooting people......
Complete, BS. Cuts were due to warped Right wing ideology, every left wing government has increased spending on Police, since the 1990's, that's why our crime rates fall under Labour and rise under the Conservatives.We have had a conservative government for 8 years. The rise in crime has coincided with their cuts to policing and community services. You know nothing about the UK, or anything else really.So when will our murder rates come down to US levels ?I dream of the day when we are as safe as the US. Said nobody ever.
Your country is more violent than the U.S.....and here, our violence is contained to tiny areas in democrat party controlled neighborhoods....you, your crime is all over your country, and getting worse....
Given time.....you might just see it one day......your police are over stretched, your young men are more violent after decades of single teenage mothers heading households.......and guns flooding your country.... thanks to left wing policies....
The cuts to policing have happened because you can't afford your welfare state......so cuts have to come from somewhere....you really think the hard core lefties will do more for police?
I agree, the answer to gun violence is not "more guns"; it's like saying "quick, use the gasoline to put out the fire," madness.
That's an ABSURD analogy. Humans cause violence, and often cause fires whether it be with gasoline, or any other TOOL. The tool does not cause the problem. People do. Take responsibility humans! Does your fork cause you to be fat?
Maybe, but it's still valid. Perhaps organisations like the CDC should be allowed to conduct proper research into the causes of gun violence.
They can and have been doing gun research, they were only stopped from advocating for gun confiscation.....
No, The Government Is Not 'Banned' From Studying Gun Violence
Absolutely nothing in the amendment prohibits the CDC from studying “gun violence,” even if this narrowly focused topic tells us little. In response to this inconvenient fact, gun controllers will explain that while there isn’t an outright ban, the Dickey amendment has a “chilling” effect on the study of gun violence.
Does it? Pointing out that “research plummeted after the 1996 ban” could just as easily tell us that most research funded by the CDC had been politically motivated. Because the idea that the CDC, whose spectacular mission creep has taken it from its primary goal of preventing malaria and other dangerous communicable diseases, to spending hundreds of millions of dollars nagging you about how much salt you put on your steaks or how often you do calisthenics, is nervous about the repercussions of engaging in non-partisan research is hard to believe.
Also unlikely is the notion that a $2.6 million cut in funding so horrified the agency that it was rendered powerless to pay for or conduct studies on gun violence. The CDC funding tripled from 1996 to 2010. The CDC’s budget is over six billion dollars today.
And the idea that the CDC was paralyzed through two-years of full Democratic Party control, and then six years under a president who was more antagonistic towards the Second Amendment than any other in history, is difficult to believe, because it’s provably false.
In 2013, President Barack Obama not only signed an Executive Order directing the CDC to research “gun violence,” the administration also provided an additional $10 million to do it. Here is the study on gun violence that was supposedly banned and yet funded by the CDC. You might not have heard about the resulting research, because it contains numerous inconvenient facts about gun ownership that fails to propel the predetermined narrative. Trump’s HHS Secretary Alex Azar is also open to the idea of funding more gun violence research.
It’s not banned. It’s not chilled.
Meanwhile, numerous states and private entities fund peer-reviewed studies and other research on gun violence. I know this because gun control advocates are constantly sending me studies that distort and conflate issues to help them make their arguments. My inbox is bombarded with studies and conferences and “webinars” dissecting gun violence.
The real problem here is two-fold. One, researchers want the CDC involved so they can access government data about American gun owners. Considering the rhetoric coming from Democrats — gun ownership being tantamount to terrorism, and so on — there’s absolutely no reason Republicans should acquiesce to helping gun controllers circumvent the privacy of Americans citizens peacefully practicing their Constitutional rights.
Second, gun control advocates want to lift the ban on politically skewed research because they’re interested in producing politically skewed research. When the American Medical Association declares gun violence a “public health crisis,” it’s not interested in a balance look at the issue. When researchers advocate lifting the restrictions on advocacy at the CDC, they don’t even pretend they not to hold pre-conceived notions about the outcomes.
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There’s no reason to allow activists — then or now — to use the veneer of state-sanctioned science for their partisan purposes. For example, we now know that Rosenberg and others at the CDC turned out to be wrong about the correlation between guns and crime — a steep drop in gun crimes coincided with the explosions of gun ownership from 1996 to 2014.
Really?
From your own source,
"However, the scarcity of research on firearm-related violence limits policy makers’ ability to propose evidence-based policies that reduce injuries and deaths and maximize safety while recognizing Second Amendment rights. Since the 1960s, a number of state and federal laws and regulations have been enacted that restrict government’s ability to collect and share information about gun sales, ownership, and possession, which has limited data collection and collation relevant to firearm violence prevention research. Among these are the amendments to the Gun Control Act of 1968,17 which prohibits the federal government from establishing an electronic database of the names of gun purchasers and requires gun dealers to conduct annual inventories of their firearms.
In addition to the restrictions on certain kinds of data collection, congressional action in 1996 effectively halted all firearm-related injury research at the CDC by prohibiting the use of federal funding “to advocate or promote gun control.”18 In 2011, Congress enacted similar restrictions affecting the entire U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.19 The net result was an overall reduction in firearm violence research (Kellermann and Rivara, 2013). As a result, the past 20 years have witnessed diminished progress in understanding the causes and effects of firearm violence." https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3#23
Complete, BS. Cuts were due to warped Right wing ideology, every left wing government has increased spending on Police, since the 1990's, that's why our crime rates fall under Labour and rise under the Conservatives.We have had a conservative government for 8 years. The rise in crime has coincided with their cuts to policing and community services. You know nothing about the UK, or anything else really.So when will our murder rates come down to US levels ?Your country is more violent than the U.S.....and here, our violence is contained to tiny areas in democrat party controlled neighborhoods....you, your crime is all over your country, and getting worse....
Given time.....you might just see it one day......your police are over stretched, your young men are more violent after decades of single teenage mothers heading households.......and guns flooding your country.... thanks to left wing policies....
The cuts to policing have happened because you can't afford your welfare state......so cuts have to come from somewhere....you really think the hard core lefties will do more for police?
Law abiding citizens are not shooting people......
You always omit the fact that until they shoot someone, they no longer "are law abiding" As of April 2018, 1,200 people were kiled by "law abiding citizens". More Than 1,200 Non-Self Defense Deaths Involving Concealed Carry Killers Since 2007, Latest Violence Policy Center Research Shows
Law abiding citizens are not shooting people......
You always omit the fact that until they shoot someone, they no longer "are law abiding" As of April 2018, 1,200 people were kiled by "law abiding citizens". More Than 1,200 Non-Self Defense Deaths Involving Concealed Carry Killers Since 2007, Latest Violence Policy Center Research Shows
Law abiding citizens are not shooting people......
You always omit the fact that until they shoot someone, they no longer "are law abiding" As of April 2018, 1,200 people were kiled by "law abiding citizens". More Than 1,200 Non-Self Defense Deaths Involving Concealed Carry Killers Since 2007, Latest Violence Policy Center Research Shows
And yet the CDC does conduct gun research...
The gun violence policy numbers are wrong...you used a biased, anti-gun source......
Yep.......when you disarm the people, you turn them into victims of any young, strong, aggressive males who want to take what they have.....
Violent crime rises by 43% in three years on London Underground
And yet the CDC does conduct gun research...
"Despite an executive order by President Barack Obama to resume research on gun violence, the CDC has adhered to a two-decade-old Congressional restriction that effectively bans such inquiries. Now here was a document suggesting it was tiptoeing back in." The CDC Just Released a 'Gun Violence' Study
The gun violence policy numbers are wrong...you used a biased, anti-gun source......
LOL! A John Lott website is an unbiased source, oh please!
Yep.......when you disarm the people, you turn them into victims of any young, strong, aggressive males who want to take what they have.....
Violent crime rises by 43% in three years on London Underground
When they get to 30,000 gun deaths a year, call us.
Yep.......when you disarm the people, you turn them into victims of any young, strong, aggressive males who want to take what they have.....
Violent crime rises by 43% in three years on London Underground
go and look at the CDC research studies and you will see...
go and look at the CDC research studies and you will see...
...Nothing, just gathering statistics...no, wait, "According to the research, 39,773 people were fatally shot in 2017, a figure that has grown by more than 10,000 people since 1999. CDC data going back to 1979 shows that last year had the highest rates of gun deaths in nearly 40 years." Gun Deaths in the U.S. Are at Their Highest Rates in Decades, CDC Says
Lack of any control over firearms is "detrimental" to public health, wouldn't you agree?
go and look at the CDC research studies and you will see...
...Nothing, just gathering statistics...no, wait, "According to the research, 39,773 people were fatally shot in 2017, a figure that has grown by more than 10,000 people since 1999. CDC data going back to 1979 shows that last year had the highest rates of gun deaths in nearly 40 years." Gun Deaths in the U.S. Are at Their Highest Rates in Decades, CDC Says
Lack of any control over firearms is "detrimental" to public health, wouldn't you agree?