CDZ Violent crime in Britain, up 24%, Violent gun crime in U.S. down 75%, with our guns?

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    Correlation does not imply causation. I think a more accurate corollary can be drawn with the drastic increase of Africans and South Asians in London since '97. London's population is now only 40% indigenous.
     

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    And of course you hide the truth.....the truth is Britain had a low gun crime and gun homicide rate compared to the U.S. long before they began enacting their gun control laws....right? Do you understand that point?

    So....they had a low gun crime, gun murder rate before 1996...then they had a massacre in Dunblane, Scotland.....and banned and confiscated their guns.....in order to cut down on gun crime and gun violence...right? Do you understand that point?

    So...by doing that, in order for your point to be remotely relevant.....by banning and confiscating the guns of their law abiding citizens, they would have had to experience a decline in their gun crime and gun murder rate....because they banned and confiscated guns...right? Are you following that?

    So what actually happened.....after they banned and confiscated the guns of law abiding British citizens...the ones not using their guns for gun crime and gun murder?

    Their gun crime rate spiked...that means that after they banned and confiscated guns.....they went from a low gun crime and gun murder rate....to a higher gun crime and gun murder rate...for years after the 1996 ban. Do you understand that?

    Then, after years of increased gun crime and gun murder......their levels of gun crime and gun murder went back down to the same level they were at before they banned and confiscated guns from law abiding British citizens who did not use their guns for gun crime and gun murder....do you understand that point?

    So....and this is the important part..........their gun control laws that they implemented to reduce their gun crime and their gun murder........didn't change their gun murder or gun violence rate.

    Do you understand what that means?

    It means that guns in the hands of normal people were not creating gun murder or gun crime....

    And so...as we have seen, criminals in Britain still got guns.....they are now getting more guns....after they banned and confiscated guns...

    And after the ban..in 2016....their gun crime rate went up 42% in London...their capitol city.....


    So their low gun murder rate has nothing to do with guns.....it has everything to do with British criminals, who have guns, not using those guns to commit murder...

    But they are getting guns....lots of guns...and now they are starting to use them for gun crime....why?

    Because their social welfare system is creating young, aggressive, sociopaths.....young males raised by teenage mothers without adult men as fathers....and they have no empathy for others....and they are beginning to act on that lack of empathy....they are using their illegal guns to shoot each other......

    So you may point to the low gun murder rate right now...but it isn't going to stay low......
     
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    And after they banned and confiscated guns to stop shootings like Dunblane....in 2010....14 years after the ban...they had the Cumbria spree shooting....where the guy used a legal shotgun and .22 rifle to kill 12 people...after they banned guns...
     
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    Almost...the point to my thread is that British criminals have had guns before and after they banned guns for normal British citizens.....the fact that the criminals are now using them more comes from the breakdown of British cultural norms, and part of that comes from importing people from 3rd world war zones.....
     
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    Imagine how low it would be if we had as few guns in circulation as the UK?

    Our gun crime rate would go up 42%....and that is just the beginning....

    We increased our guns in circulation from 200 million guns in the 1990s to 357-400 million guns in private hands in 2016.....and our gun crime rate went down 75%........

    Can you tell which number is better?

    And that is with over 15 million Americans carrying legal guns for self defense....
     
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    Because of course......our high gun violence rate would go up with fewer guns- just as Britain and the rest of the world's low gun violence rate stays down with lower private gun ownership

    And up is down and hot is cold

    LOL
     
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    But British criminals have had less access to guns before- and now they have more access. Largely do to the open borders that allow guns to be smuggled into Britain easier.

    British criminals used guns less- not because laws were tougher in the U.S.(no death penalty there remember) but because they had less access to guns in the UK.
     
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    No.....before, they had more access to guns.....now they are supposed to have less...and the gun crime rate at first went up, then went back to where it was before 1996, and now it is going up.

    Britain is a freaking island.....get real.

    No....British criminals did not have a culture of random murder, and casual murder. That has changed as the British welfare state has been undermining the values and culture that kept their violence away from actual murder.


    And if more access to guns means more murder......then you are wrong...since we went from 200 million guns in the 1990s....to 357-400 million guns.....you know...more access to guns....and our gun crime rate went down 75%...showing you are wrong....

    Our gun murder rate, with more access to guns, went down 49%...showing you are wrong....

    and our violent crime rate, with more access to guns, went down 72%, showing you are wrong.

    You don't understand the issues involved, but thanks for trying.
     
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    What part of a 42% increase in gun crime in London shows that their gun violence is staying low.....they have been lucky all these years, but now their culture can no longer civilize poor young males, raised by single teenage mothers...
     
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    Don't confuse ms 2a with facts in the uk you have a better chance of dying Falling off a ladder than being shot.
    Quoting percentages of huge gun numbers here is a laugh. What is it ? 30000 a year here? Poor ol 2a packing away looking for a dangerous situation where hergun can protect her
     

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