CDZ Violent crime in Britain, up 24%, Violent gun crime in U.S. down 75%, with our guns?

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    How is it possible that British violent crime, including gun crime has gone up...violent crime in total 24%, and gun crime by 10% in London and other major cities....

    While gun murder in the U.S. has gone down 49% since the 1990s, and all violent crime went down 75% since the 1990s...as more Americans bought guns and now over 15 million Americans carry guns legally,,,?

    Britain....



    Violent crime in England and Wales is up 24%, police figures show

    CCTV captures shooting during 12-man brawl in north London

    Shots were fired during a confrontation involving at least 12 men in a quiet suburban street, police have revealed.

    CCTV footage shows three car-loads of men, thought to be rival gangs, pull up in a residential street in north London, before squaring up to each other in the lamplight.

    One hooded man pulls away from the huddle, points a handgun towards a driver’s seat and apparently fires as the car reverses away.
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    Latest figures show a 10 per cent increase in firearms incidents – up to 2,122 – in the past year.

    Violent crime in England and Wales was up 24 per cent during the 12 months ending June this year, according to an Office for National Statistics report.=====================


    Homicides in England and Wales up 14%

    The police-recorded crime figures include a 9% rise in knife crime and a 4% rise in gun crime, which are thought to reflect a rise in gang violence largely in London and Manchester.

    The rise in gun crime is the first recorded for eight years and includes a 10% rise in London.
    The official statisticians say that a 36% rise in sexual offences, including the highest number of rapes since 2003 – at 33,341 – reflect a greater willingness of victims to come forward to report such crimes rather than a re
    al surge in attacks.

    The U.S....

    Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

    Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
     
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    Muslims.
     
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    number of gun murders in the UK - 48 a year.
    Number of gun murders in the US - 11,000 a year.

    Statistics are meaningless compared to raw numbers.
     
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    Where is our favorite Orwellian Welshman? How come he has not posted a rebuttal?
     
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    Oh God...instead we get Joey.

    Damn...I think I prefer the Welshman. How bad does that make Joey?
     
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    in 2014 there were not 11000 gun murders there were 8124

    you only overstated your claim by almost 30%

    that's actually as honest as I've ever seen you be here

    Quandl
     
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    tell me if gun control in the UK works then why is their murder rate not lower than it was before all the gun laws of the 60's were passed?

    The murder rate in the UK is about the same as it was before all those gun laws you love were passed

    our murder rate is about the same as it was in 1950 without all those gun laws so it seems to me gun laws in UK didn't do shit to lower the murder rate
     
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    Check the time spans for the American numbers, 24 years, and the UK numbers, 1 year.

    Fallacy of false numeral equivalency based on time.

    Joe correctly answered the OP's error clearly. Let's move on.
     
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    Actually, I'm going with the GunPolicy.Org source, which puts the number at 2014 at 10,945

    The 8124 number comes from the FBI, which apparently thinks there were no gun murders in Newtown CT in the year Sandy Hook happened.

    Sandy Hook Hoaxers Misrepresent FBI Crime Stats

    That tells me the FBI's collection stats are faulty, and that's being generous.
     

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