Video is PROOF that no racial comments were made.

[Jarhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead
Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters
Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead


I give people the benefit of the doubt. I assume you condemn the actions of those that acted with violence against the Iraq war.yes I did I assume you condemn those that felt it necessary to cast a black mark on a funeral for a fallen soldier.Yes I did I assume you condemn the act of murder inflicted on the pro life "sit in" guyNo idea of what you speak. I assume you condemn the act of murder on the abortion doctor as well, as I do.Yes I did

I do not ask my neighbor to confirm his HUMANITY with words. I assume he is a compassionate humane person by default. It is up to him to prove otherwise.I assume nothing about people

Correct me if I am worng, but I believe you assume all those with conservative beliefs are inhumane by default and it is up to us individually to prove otherwsie.This is not a real question but an infantile insult

Am I correct?
About what?
LOL. I put it in bold so you would see it yet you still didnt see it.

Never mind.

You may want to ask questions that are not designed to only insult and then actually put question marks at the end next time.
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Not sure what you are showing here, but if you are showing me that you answered my question of "Am I correct", then you are showing me nothing.

I am tired of this Truthmatters. Whereas I respect your psoition but not agree with it, you do not respect mine as you disagree with it. ANd I am OK with that.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you did not capitalize on it. Your choice.

You seem to simply want to find a way to discredit me, but you can't as I am as honest as the day is long.

I will say one thing, however. You did not call me a liar once in this debate. That is a major step forward for you.

So yes, some good did come out of this.

 

[Jarhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead
Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters
Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead


I give people the benefit of the doubt. I assume you condemn the actions of those that acted with violence against the Iraq war.yes I did I assume you condemn those that felt it necessary to cast a black mark on a funeral for a fallen soldier.Yes I did I assume you condemn the act of murder inflicted on the pro life "sit in" guyNo idea of what you speak. I assume you condemn the act of murder on the abortion doctor as well, as I do.Yes I did

I do not ask my neighbor to confirm his HUMANITY with words. I assume he is a compassionate humane person by default. It is up to him to prove otherwise.I assume nothing about people

Correct me if I am worng, but I believe you assume all those with conservative beliefs are inhumane by default and it is up to us individually to prove otherwsie.This is not a real question but an infantile insult

Am I correct?
About what?
LOL. I put it in bold so you would see it yet you still didnt see it.

Never mind.

You may want to ask questions that are not designed to only insult and then actually put question marks at the end next time.
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I'll bet Jarhead is beating his head against the wall with your posts, TDM.

He'll learn the art of patience, or accept you as we all do.

I have been told that I am patient to a fault. Some told me it held me back in the military.
Truthmatters is unique. Very strong on convictions, but very weak from an open minded standpoint. No, I am not criticizing your intelligence Truthmatters. I am saying you are not open minded. And even you can not argue this.

Anyway, no more about what I was trying to ask you and no more of me responding to your quotes of mine as it pertains to this topic.

Thanks again.

 

[Truthmatters]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead
Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters
Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead


I give people the benefit of the doubt. I assume you condemn the actions of those that acted with violence against the Iraq war.yes I did I assume you condemn those that felt it necessary to cast a black mark on a funeral for a fallen soldier.Yes I did I assume you condemn the act of murder inflicted on the pro life "sit in" guyNo idea of what you speak. I assume you condemn the act of murder on the abortion doctor as well, as I do.Yes I did

I do not ask my neighbor to confirm his HUMANITY with words. I assume he is a compassionate humane person by default. It is up to him to prove otherwise.I assume nothing about people

Correct me if I am worng, but I believe you assume all those with conservative beliefs are inhumane by default and it is up to us individually to prove otherwsie.This is not a real question but an infantile insult

Am I correct?
About what?
LOL. I put it in bold so you would see it yet you still didnt see it.

Never mind.

You may want to ask questions that are not designed to only insult and then actually put question marks at the end next time.
__________________

Not sure what you are showing here, but if you are showing me that you answered my question of "Am I correct", then you are showing me nothing.

I am tired of this Truthmatters. Whereas I respect your psoition but not agree with it, you do not respect mine as you disagree with it. ANd I am OK with that.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you did not capitalize on it. Your choice.

You seem to simply want to find a way to discredit me, but you can't as I am as honest as the day is long.

I will say one thing, however. You did not call me a liar once in this debate. That is a major step forward for you.

So yes, some good did come out of this.

"Correct me if I am worng, but I believe you assume all those with conservative beliefs are inhumane by default and it is up to us individually to prove otherwsie"


Is this what you claim as an example of respecting my position?

 

[Queen]

How can you righties try so hard to deny the racism when it's ALL over the signs your tea baggers carry?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI]YouTube - TEA PARTY RACISM: What The Media Won't Show You About Teabagger Racism[/ame]

 

[Truthmatters]

This country is going to be in pain for many years to come because of their refusual to face facts.

 

[Jarhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead
Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters
Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead


I give people the benefit of the doubt. I assume you condemn the actions of those that acted with violence against the Iraq war.yes I did I assume you condemn those that felt it necessary to cast a black mark on a funeral for a fallen soldier.Yes I did I assume you condemn the act of murder inflicted on the pro life "sit in" guyNo idea of what you speak. I assume you condemn the act of murder on the abortion doctor as well, as I do.Yes I did

I do not ask my neighbor to confirm his HUMANITY with words. I assume he is a compassionate humane person by default. It is up to him to prove otherwise.I assume nothing about people

Correct me if I am worng, but I believe you assume all those with conservative beliefs are inhumane by default and it is up to us individually to prove otherwsie.This is not a real question but an infantile insult

Am I correct?
About what?
LOL. I put it in bold so you would see it yet you still didnt see it.

Never mind.

You may want to ask questions that are not designed to only insult and then actually put question marks at the end next time.
__________________

Not sure what you are showing here, but if you are showing me that you answered my question of "Am I correct", then you are showing me nothing.

I am tired of this Truthmatters. Whereas I respect your psoition but not agree with it, you do not respect mine as you disagree with it. ANd I am OK with that.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you did not capitalize on it. Your choice.

You seem to simply want to find a way to discredit me, but you can't as I am as honest as the day is long.

I will say one thing, however. You did not call me a liar once in this debate. That is a major step forward for you.

So yes, some good did come out of this.

"Correct me if I am worng, but I believe you assume all those with conservative beliefs are inhumane by default and it is up to us individually to prove otherwsie"


Is this what you claim as an example of respecting my position?

I will answer you.

Yes. I offered my observation based on your posts. I also offered you an opportunity to correct me if I were wrong.

Not respecting your position would be to say that you are an idiot for belieivng a conservative is inhumane by default.

But I did not say that. I truly believe you are one that sees a conservative in a certain light beofre you get to know them.

It is not an abnormal way for people to be. Many assume things about people based on the way other people of similar thinking are.

You opted to read it as an insult. But I was being genuine when I siad I believed that is how you are.

I know one thing for sure. Many people I know, I am related to, I care about, are llike that.

Even I can be like that. I assume a rich person is arrogant by default, but many are not. But my initial approach to them is one of "defense" of their arrogance.

Sorry if you took it as an insult or a lack of respect.

 

[Jarhead]

How can you righties try so hard to deny the racism when it's ALL over the signs your tea baggers carry?

YouTube - TEA PARTY RACISM: What The Media Won't Show You About Teabagger Racism

Becuase it is not all over the signs they carry.

How would you have liked it if I said:

"How can those of you that disliked Bush's policies try so hard to say that you did not wish Bush dead when pictures of him hanging and with bullets in his head are all voer the signs you carry?"

 

[Immanuel]

And if I had just answered yes o no it would have been wrong.

You are wrong abouyt that Truth Matters. I do not have a reputation on here of doing anything of the sort.

I asked a yes or no question and after you answered I may have asked you to elaborate, but I simply asked a yes or no question.

Now, I will assume your answer is no. I am not correct.

SO then I must ask why it is that you feel I must outright say I condemn the act for you to believe I do?

I looked and could not find ANYWHERE a verbal or written statement by John Edwards wife condemning the racist actions of the protester. Therefore should I believe that you assume then that she does not condemn the action?

Do you MAYBE see the err of your thinking?

How many timesin that post did you ask a question with no question mark attached?

None, every question had a question mark. And when the heck did you get brave enough to be a grammar cop? You have no room to talk.

Tea Partiers protest against a government that they declare is Socialist, Fascist and run by a Dictator who is denying them their Liberty. Yet, in spite of this extreme rhetoric coming from the demonstrators....I have yet to see this evil government lock them up, break up the protest, use tear gas or send in police to break up the rallies

John Lewis is a REAL PATRIOT who engaged in peaceful protest against a government that was, in fact, denying him his LIBERTY. The government, in this case used dogs, fire hoses, arrested protesters and in John Lewis' case split his skull open while he was kneeling to pray at Selma.

You are very much not in touch with the reality of the tea party movement.

I do not blame you.

I blame the media.

You do not OWN reality

Neither do you.

Immie

 

[Jarhead]

You are wrong abouyt that Truth Matters. I do not have a reputation on here of doing anything of the sort.

I asked a yes or no question and after you answered I may have asked you to elaborate, but I simply asked a yes or no question.

Now, I will assume your answer is no. I am not correct.

SO then I must ask why it is that you feel I must outright say I condemn the act for you to believe I do?

I looked and could not find ANYWHERE a verbal or written statement by John Edwards wife condemning the racist actions of the protester. Therefore should I believe that you assume then that she does not condemn the action?

Do you MAYBE see the err of your thinking?

How many timesin that post did you ask a question with no question mark attached?

None, every question had a question mark. And when the heck did you get brave enough to be a grammar cop? You have no room to talk.

You are very much not in touch with the reality of the tea party movement.

I do not blame you.

I blame the media.

You do not OWN reality

Neither do you.

Immie

I did not see that post where she asked about how many question marks were missing.

What is that all about?

 

[Meister]

you do not accept me

I accept you, I don't accept your blind partisanship.

 

[rightwinger]

All I can say is that I'm glad the Govt can't treat the Tea partiers as blacks were treated during that time. They aren't comminting a crime. They are exercising their right to protest. The right to say they don't agree with what their Govt is doing.

Mr. Lewis did endure much during the 60's. I am way old enough to remember it all. But unlike you, I don't disparage the Tea Partiers for exercising their civil rights anymore than I would disparage Mr. Lewis for his.

As for Free speech. Its just that Free Speech and all can say anything. Left or Right. You and I might not agree but thats just the way it is.

Thanks for your take on it RW

I have never questioned their right to peaceful assembly and free speech. What I do question is:

1. Calling the Government of the United States of America- Fascist, Dictatorship, Nazi etc while that very same government is allowing them to assemble without interference or harassment

2. Calling John Lewis a ****** and then calling him a liar for reporting it

And you speak of a very small minority of the tea party movement.

DO I hold thoset hat were against the Iraq conflict responsible for those that had posters of Bush as Hitler? Or Bush with a bullet in his head?

Rightwinger, I fear you may be just as guilty as those that criticized Cindy Sheehan.

Be fair and allow those you disagree with to speak their mind and do not hold them responsible for the few loons out there that jump in for the free beer.

Like I said before. These few loons are becoming a problem for your movement. The tone, tactics and rhetoric for these rallies is established by the organizers. They can't just sit back and say...this is not us

 

[Truthmatters]

They wont denounce the loons without qualifing it by saying in some way its the lefts fault.

 

[Immanuel]

How many timesin that post did you ask a question with no question mark attached?

None, every question had a question mark. And when the heck did you get brave enough to be a grammar cop? You have no room to talk.

You do not OWN reality

Neither do you.

Immie

I did not see that post where she asked about how many question marks were missing.

What is that all about?

What is it about? Suddenly she believes she has the right to criticize you for not putting question marks after you questions. The problem is that you did, so go figure!

Immie

 

[Truthmatters]

Really?

What makes you say that?

Who in this country speaks for you that makes it so you dont have to condem it yourself?

Why is it OK to not say anything to discourage violence yet its OK to call the people who are saying the violence should be discouraged partisans and infer they only mention it for political reasons?

I give people the benefit of the doubt. I assume you condemn the actions of those that acted with violence against the Iraq war. I assume you condemn those that felt it necessary to cast a black mark on a funeral for a fallen soldier. I assume you condemn the act of murder inflicted on the pro life "sit in" guy. I assume you condemn the act of murder on the abortion doctor as well, as I do.

I do not ask my neighbor to confirm his HUMANITY with words. I assume he is a compassionate humane person by default. It is up to him to prove otherwise.

Correct me if I am worng, but I believe you assume all those with conservative beliefs are inhumane by default and it is up to us individually to prove otherwsie.

Am I correct?

Heres the post Immie,How was I supposed to say yes or no when thered is all types of assumptions to adress?

 

[Jarhead]

I have never questioned their right to peaceful assembly and free speech. What I do question is:

1. Calling the Government of the United States of America- Fascist, Dictatorship, Nazi etc while that very same government is allowing them to assemble without interference or harassment

2. Calling John Lewis a ****** and then calling him a liar for reporting it

And you speak of a very small minority of the tea party movement.

DO I hold thoset hat were against the Iraq conflict responsible for those that had posters of Bush as Hitler? Or Bush with a bullet in his head?

Rightwinger, I fear you may be just as guilty as those that criticized Cindy Sheehan.

Be fair and allow those you disagree with to speak their mind and do not hold them responsible for the few loons out there that jump in for the free beer.

Like I said before. These few loons are becoming a problem for your movement. The tone, tactics and rhetoric for these rallies is established by the organizers. They can't just sit back and say...this is not us

There is not more that they can do Rightwinger. They believe in free speech.
Just as I do not recall anti war protestors denouncing those that carried signes of Cheney in a noose. They simply brushed them off as fringe loons. Just as the tea partyers are doing.

 

[Jarhead]

Who in this country speaks for you that makes it so you dont have to condem it yourself?

Why is it OK to not say anything to discourage violence yet its OK to call the people who are saying the violence should be discouraged partisans and infer they only mention it for political reasons?

I give people the benefit of the doubt. I assume you condemn the actions of those that acted with violence against the Iraq war. I assume you condemn those that felt it necessary to cast a black mark on a funeral for a fallen soldier. I assume you condemn the act of murder inflicted on the pro life "sit in" guy. I assume you condemn the act of murder on the abortion doctor as well, as I do.

I do not ask my neighbor to confirm his HUMANITY with words. I assume he is a compassionate humane person by default. It is up to him to prove otherwise.

Correct me if I am worng, but I believe you assume all those with conservative beliefs are inhumane by default and it is up to us individually to prove otherwsie.

Am I correct?

Heres the post Immie,How was I supposed to say yes or no when thered is all types of assumptions to adress?

Because my question was asking if my assumption was correct!

 

[Truthmatters]

I give people the benefit of the doubt. I assume you condemn the actions of those that acted with violence against the Iraq war. I assume you condemn those that felt it necessary to cast a black mark on a funeral for a fallen soldier. I assume you condemn the act of murder inflicted on the pro life "sit in" guy. I assume you condemn the act of murder on the abortion doctor as well, as I do.

I do not ask my neighbor to confirm his HUMANITY with words. I assume he is a compassionate humane person by default. It is up to him to prove otherwise.

Correct me if I am worng, but I believe you assume all those with conservative beliefs are inhumane by default and it is up to us individually to prove otherwsie.

Am I correct?

Heres the post Immie,How was I supposed to say yes or no when thered is all types of assumptions to adress?

Because my question was asking if my assumption was correct!

Like I said in the beinging which assumption?

They are not all correct assumptions

 

[Jarhead]

Heres the post Immie,How was I supposed to say yes or no when thered is all types of assumptions to adress?

Because my question was asking if my assumption was correct!

Like I said in the beinging which assumption?

They are not all correct assumptions

You concurred with all of my assumptions.

However, I then made an assumption that I was not sure you would concur with....the last one in bold.

An d I started that assumption with "correct me if I am wrong"....and then I stated my assumption and I then asked if I was correct?

And I put in a question mark.

What is it that you are missing here?

 

[drsmith1072]

I really don't know how we would survive now a days with the LIES that democrats say about tea partiers--(without) those people out there with their own videos.

In this video it is clear that no tea partier is out there calling the black caucas "n....r"--nor does it appear that anyone was "spat" upon.

We have seen the left wing media in this country--"without any piece of evidence what-so-ever"--except the say-so of a couple of black congressmen--that they were called racial names & one stated that he was spat upon. The media picked that one up and ran with it.

The tea party movement has been BRANDED "racist" by the left wing media in this country. Maybe they should watch this video of what REALLY Happened.

Here is what these black congressmen said:



Nobody believes your chopped up video anymore than they believe your Right leaning Rassmusen polling.

I am curous sarah. Do you believe that one racial slur in a gorup of a thousand people makes all thousand of those people guilty of hurling racial slurs?

How many people were there?? I have heard it was only a few hundred and yet I am now hearing that it was a thousand or more. So which is it and where is the proof that thousands of protesters were there??

Based on the facts there is no way you can PROVE that racial comments were not made. Thus far all you have offered are assumption based conclusions where you claim IF it had happened there would be proof and that is just beyond absurd.

Based on the evidence at hand you can't prove it didn't happen and that is a FACT. So at this point it's nothing more than a battle of "he said, she said."

 

[Jarhead]

I am curous sarah. Do you believe that one racial slur in a gorup of a thousand people makes all thousand of those people guilty of hurling racial slurs?

How many people were there?? I have heard it was only a few hundred and yet I am now hearing that it was a thousand or more. So which is it and where is the proof that thousands of protesters were there??

Based on the facts there is no way you can PROVE that racial comments were not made. Thus far all you have offered are assumption based conclusions where you claim IF it had happened there would be proof and that is just beyond absurd.

Based on the evidence at hand you can't prove it didn't happen and that is a FACT. So at this point it's nothing more than a battle of "he said, she said."

I never said anything of the kind.

I would gladly interact with you in this debate if you wish, but I ask that you not misquote me.

I assume most likely at least a few slurs were tossed. I mean, lets be real. A thousand mostly white angry people and this is America where racism is dying but not dead yet.

As for the amount of protestors. I heard the DC police estimated it at aboput 1500. But I do not need to prove it as I am not declaring it as fact and I really am not that concerned about how many are there.

But I know one thing for sure.

As appalled as I am at one racial slur; or two; or three; I am proud to be an American when hundreds if not thousands of Americans can gather and racial slurs are not the norm.

We have come a long way.

Would be nioce if the media noticed that and made a comment about that.