Video is PROOF that no racial comments were made.

[Meister]

I do not blame the Media. I blame the Tea Party and their chosen representatives. They are the ones who choose their rhetoric. The Tea Party movement falls way short of the Civil Rights movement in terms of having a legitimate complaint against government excess.

They should be ashamed of their treatment of a TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT like John Lewis

We see it differently, but I respect what you say.

And in no way do I want this to be taken as me minimizing the civil rights movement. I am not.

Got it!

I just find it offensive for a movement that is supposed to be fighting for LIBERTY to disrespect a man who was willing to give up his life for the same cause and gets called a liar for commenting on what he was called.

John Lewis has always carried himself with respect and dignity....I can't say the same thing for the Tea Party

So 1 person's comment that maybe connected to the tea Party equates all the tea Party movement to have the same views as that one? priceless.

I just heard this morning an anology:
The liberals, and Obama likes Obama care.
Castro from Cuba likes Obamacare.
Therefore, all the liberals and Obama are communists.


See how you can play and spin this game leftwinger?

 

[Truthmatters]

When was the last time Obama invited castro to help him get HC passed?

 

[Jarhead]

I do not blame the Media. I blame the Tea Party and their chosen representatives. They are the ones who choose their rhetoric. The Tea Party movement falls way short of the Civil Rights movement in terms of having a legitimate complaint against government excess.

They should be ashamed of their treatment of a TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT like John Lewis

We see it differently, but I respect what you say.

And in no way do I want this to be taken as me minimizing the civil rights movement. I am not.

Got it!

I just find it offensive for a movement that is supposed to be fighting for LIBERTY to disrespect a man who was willing to give up his life for the same cause and gets called a liar for commenting on what he was called.

John Lewis has always carried himself with respect and dignity....I can't say the same thing for the Tea Party

Yes. It most certainly can be seen as offensive. And anyone who used a racial slur was not just out of line, but disresepctful to all African Americans.

But most were not there to show disrespect to Mr. Lewis as a member of the civil rights movement. Most were there to protest all of congress and to have their voices heard as is their right.

I am disturbed that many are blaming the actions of a few on the masses overall. I respect Code Pink and their views. I do not necessarily agree with them, but in no way to I diminish their cause becuase of the actions of one woman yesterday. Although I will admit that I was disturbed to find out that she was one of the founders of Code Pink.

But regardless. I know many that are with the CP movement. I do not hold them responsible for yesterday's outburst nor do I say the tactics of a few define the rest of the cause.

 

[Truthmatters]

LOL. I put it in bold so you would see it yet you still didnt see it.

Never mind.

You may want to ask questions that are not designed to only insult and then actually put question marks at the end next time.

With the ones that you admit to have condemned, where on here did you condemn them?
I am unclear why someone who is so "in the know" about todays political environment, how it is you are not aware of the elderly gentleman sitting on his lawn chair across the street from an abortion clinic with a right to life sign that was brutally murdered in cold blood.

But I guess we can blame the media for that.

My question was "am I correct" with my assumption and I did put a question mark after it. But thanks for the punctuation lesson anyway. I based my assumption on the fact that you insist all people prove they condemn a haneous act by speaking out about it. So yes, it was a valid assumption.

But I am entitled to be wrong. And I offered you an opportunity to say I was wrong.

I did not do what you do often and just call you a liar.

I trtied to have a civil debate with you, but you must digress and deflect.

If it works for you, go for it. But trust me; you may think it does, but it does not.

There was no way to answer that with just a yes or no.

You can pretend there was but you also want me to be hit by a bus so whos surprized.

 

[rightwinger]

We see it differently, but I respect what you say.

And in no way do I want this to be taken as me minimizing the civil rights movement. I am not.

Got it!

I just find it offensive for a movement that is supposed to be fighting for LIBERTY to disrespect a man who was willing to give up his life for the same cause and gets called a liar for commenting on what he was called.

John Lewis has always carried himself with respect and dignity....I can't say the same thing for the Tea Party

Yes. It most certainly can be seen as offensive. And anyone who used a racial slur was not just out of line, but disresepctful to all African Americans.

But most were not there to show disrespect to Mr. Lewis as a member of the civil rights movement. Most were there to protest all of congress and to have their voices heard as is their right.

I am disturbed that many are blaming the actions of a few on the masses overall. I respect Code Pink and their views. I do not necessarily agree with them, but in no way to I diminish their cause becuase of the actions of one woman yesterday. Although I will admit that I was disturbed to find out that she was one of the founders of Code Pink.

But regardless. I know many that are with the CP movement. I do not hold them responsible for yesterday's outburst nor do I say the tactics of a few define the rest of the cause.

I agree that the entire movement should not be liable for the actions of a few.

However, these scenes have been documented at numerous high profile rallies and are starting to indicate a trend. The high pitched rhetoric, the tactics of screaming down your opposition, the preprinted signs all point to a leadership that encourages this type of behavior but not to the extent of calling someone ******.

They have created the monster and are now claiming no responsibility for how this monster behaves

 

[Jarhead]

You may want to ask questions that are not designed to only insult and then actually put question marks at the end next time.

With the ones that you admit to have condemned, where on here did you condemn them?
I am unclear why someone who is so "in the know" about todays political environment, how it is you are not aware of the elderly gentleman sitting on his lawn chair across the street from an abortion clinic with a right to life sign that was brutally murdered in cold blood.

But I guess we can blame the media for that.

My question was "am I correct" with my assumption and I did put a question mark after it. But thanks for the punctuation lesson anyway. I based my assumption on the fact that you insist all people prove they condemn a haneous act by speaking out about it. So yes, it was a valid assumption.

But I am entitled to be wrong. And I offered you an opportunity to say I was wrong.

I did not do what you do often and just call you a liar.

I trtied to have a civil debate with you, but you must digress and deflect.

If it works for you, go for it. But trust me; you may think it does, but it does not.

There was no way to answer that with just a yes or no.

You can pretend there was but you also want me to be hit by a bus so whos surprized.

I saw that post about you getting hit by a grayhound bus and I was appauled by it. I did not agree with it nor did I comment on it. So you have me confused with soemone else.
I bleieve I gave you a "thank you" somewhere in that thread by the way.

But regardless, you did not answer the question if my assumption is correct.

If it takes more than a yes or no, please answer it and I will respond with respect.

 

[Truthmatters]

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Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters
I hope nothing happens
I hope you get hit by a Greyhound bus.



Sorry it was someone else

 

[Jarhead]

Got it!

I just find it offensive for a movement that is supposed to be fighting for LIBERTY to disrespect a man who was willing to give up his life for the same cause and gets called a liar for commenting on what he was called.

John Lewis has always carried himself with respect and dignity....I can't say the same thing for the Tea Party

Yes. It most certainly can be seen as offensive. And anyone who used a racial slur was not just out of line, but disresepctful to all African Americans.

But most were not there to show disrespect to Mr. Lewis as a member of the civil rights movement. Most were there to protest all of congress and to have their voices heard as is their right.

I am disturbed that many are blaming the actions of a few on the masses overall. I respect Code Pink and their views. I do not necessarily agree with them, but in no way to I diminish their cause becuase of the actions of one woman yesterday. Although I will admit that I was disturbed to find out that she was one of the founders of Code Pink.

But regardless. I know many that are with the CP movement. I do not hold them responsible for yesterday's outburst nor do I say the tactics of a few define the rest of the cause.

I agree that the entire movement should not be liable for the actions of a few.

However, these scenes have been documented at numerous high profile rallies and are starting to indicate a trend. The high pitched rhetoric, the tactics of screaming down your opposition, the preprinted signs all point to a leadership that encourages this type of behavior but not to the extent of calling someone ******.

They have created the monster and are now claiming no responsibility for how this monster behaves

Then blame those that are responsible.

Do not blmae or minimize the intent of the masses.

As I do not minimize the intent of code pink.

Rightwinger, protest is what makes this country great. Please do not take that away from us.

 

[Truthmatters]

With the ones that you admit to have condemned, where on here did you condemn them?
I am unclear why someone who is so "in the know" about todays political environment, how it is you are not aware of the elderly gentleman sitting on his lawn chair across the street from an abortion clinic with a right to life sign that was brutally murdered in cold blood.

But I guess we can blame the media for that.

My question was "am I correct" with my assumption and I did put a question mark after it. But thanks for the punctuation lesson anyway. I based my assumption on the fact that you insist all people prove they condemn a haneous act by speaking out about it. So yes, it was a valid assumption.

But I am entitled to be wrong. And I offered you an opportunity to say I was wrong.

I did not do what you do often and just call you a liar.

I trtied to have a civil debate with you, but you must digress and deflect.

If it works for you, go for it. But trust me; you may think it does, but it does not.

There was no way to answer that with just a yes or no.

You can pretend there was but you also want me to be hit by a bus so whos surprized.

I saw that post about you getting hit by a grayhound bus and I was appauled by it. I did not agree with it nor did I comment on it. So you have me confused with soemone else.
I bleieve I gave you a "thank you" somewhere in that thread by the way.

But regardless, you did not answer the question if my assumption is correct.

If it takes more than a yes or no, please answer it and I will respond with respect.

I answered them all already.

I guess it didnt really matter to you wether I answered or not.

 

[Jarhead]

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Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters
I hope nothing happens
I hope you get hit by a Greyhound bus.



Sorry it was someone else

It was repulsive.

I do not wish harm on anyone.

Besides, what a waste of a good bus. No?

Just trying to make light of it.

 

[Truthmatters]

About what?

LOL. I put it in bold so you would see it yet you still didnt see it.

Never mind.

You may want to ask questions that are not designed to only insult and then actually put question marks at the end next time.

I answered you in post 71

 

[Jarhead]

About what?

LOL. I put it in bold so you would see it yet you still didnt see it.

Never mind.

You may want to ask questions that are not designed to only insult and then actually put question marks at the end next time.

This was your post 71. It criticized my punctuation and my question was not designed to insult. But nowhere does it answer my question.

I simply asked if my assumption was correct. (and it had a quyestion mark after it).

But I do not wish to go back and forth. We are gaining nothing here.

Thanks for the debate. Some good was gained from it. Have a great day.

 

[Claudette]

If it comes down to believing John Lewis or believing the Tea Party protesters, I will believe John Lewis every time

John Lewis is a REAL AMERICAN PATRIOT while the Tea Party is just pretenders

Why is Lewis a REAL AMERICAN PATRIOT and the Tea Partiers pretenders??

Tea Partiers protest against a government that they declare is Socialist, Fascist and run by a Dictator who is denying them their Liberty. Yet, in spite of this extreme rhetoric coming from the demonstrators....I have yet to see this evil government lock them up, break up the protest, use tear gas or send in police to break up the rallies

John Lewis is a REAL PATRIOT who engaged in peaceful protest against a government that was, in fact, denying him his LIBERTY. This LIBERTY included the right to vote, the right to go where other Americans go and equal protection. The government, in this case used dogs, fire hoses, arrested protesters and in John Lewis' case split his skull open while he was kneeling to pray at Selma.

All I can say is that I'm glad the Govt can't treat the Tea partiers as blacks were treated during that time. They aren't comminting a crime. They are exercising their right to protest. The right to say they don't agree with what their Govt is doing.

Mr. Lewis did endure much during the 60's. I am way old enough to remember it all. But unlike you, I don't disparage the Tea Partiers for exercising their civil rights anymore than I would disparage Mr. Lewis for his.

As for Free speech. Its just that Free Speech and all can say anything. Left or Right. You and I might not agree but thats just the way it is.

Thanks for your take on it RW

 

[rightwinger]

Why is Lewis a REAL AMERICAN PATRIOT and the Tea Partiers pretenders??

Tea Partiers protest against a government that they declare is Socialist, Fascist and run by a Dictator who is denying them their Liberty. Yet, in spite of this extreme rhetoric coming from the demonstrators....I have yet to see this evil government lock them up, break up the protest, use tear gas or send in police to break up the rallies

John Lewis is a REAL PATRIOT who engaged in peaceful protest against a government that was, in fact, denying him his LIBERTY. This LIBERTY included the right to vote, the right to go where other Americans go and equal protection. The government, in this case used dogs, fire hoses, arrested protesters and in John Lewis' case split his skull open while he was kneeling to pray at Selma.

All I can say is that I'm glad the Govt can't treat the Tea partiers as blacks were treated during that time. They aren't comminting a crime. They are exercising their right to protest. The right to say they don't agree with what their Govt is doing.

Mr. Lewis did endure much during the 60's. I am way old enough to remember it all. But unlike you, I don't disparage the Tea Partiers for exercising their civil rights anymore than I would disparage Mr. Lewis for his.

As for Free speech. Its just that Free Speech and all can say anything. Left or Right. You and I might not agree but thats just the way it is.

Thanks for your take on it RW

I have never questioned their right to peaceful assembly and free speech. What I do question is:

1. Calling the Government of the United States of America- Fascist, Dictatorship, Nazi etc while that very same government is allowing them to assemble without interference or harassment

2. Calling John Lewis a ****** and then calling him a liar for reporting it

 

[Truthmatters]

LOL. I put it in bold so you would see it yet you still didnt see it.

Never mind.

You may want to ask questions that are not designed to only insult and then actually put question marks at the end next time.

This was your post 71. It criticized my punctuation and my question was not designed to insult. But nowhere does it answer my question.

I simply asked if my assumption was correct. (and it had a quyestion mark after it).

But I do not wish to go back and forth. We are gaining nothing here.

Thanks for the debate. Some good was gained from it. Have a great day.

I wish some good had come of it.

 

[Truthmatters]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead
Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters
Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead

I give people the benefit of the doubt. I assume you condemn the actions of those that acted with violence against the Iraq war.yes I did I assume you condemn those that felt it necessary to cast a black mark on a funeral for a fallen soldier.Yes I did I assume you condemn the act of murder inflicted on the pro life "sit in" guyNo idea of what you speak. I assume you condemn the act of murder on the abortion doctor as well, as I do.Yes I did

I do not ask my neighbor to confirm his HUMANITY with words. I assume he is a compassionate humane person by default. It is up to him to prove otherwise.I assume nothing about people

Correct me if I am worng, but I believe you assume all those with conservative beliefs are inhumane by default and it is up to us individually to prove otherwsie.This is not a real question but an infantile insult

Am I correct?
About what?
LOL. I put it in bold so you would see it yet you still didnt see it.

Never mind.

You may want to ask questions that are not designed to only insult and then actually put question marks at the end next time.
__________________




Everything in red is what I said

Who insulted who here?

 

[Jarhead]

Tea Partiers protest against a government that they declare is Socialist, Fascist and run by a Dictator who is denying them their Liberty. Yet, in spite of this extreme rhetoric coming from the demonstrators....I have yet to see this evil government lock them up, break up the protest, use tear gas or send in police to break up the rallies

John Lewis is a REAL PATRIOT who engaged in peaceful protest against a government that was, in fact, denying him his LIBERTY. This LIBERTY included the right to vote, the right to go where other Americans go and equal protection. The government, in this case used dogs, fire hoses, arrested protesters and in John Lewis' case split his skull open while he was kneeling to pray at Selma.

All I can say is that I'm glad the Govt can't treat the Tea partiers as blacks were treated during that time. They aren't comminting a crime. They are exercising their right to protest. The right to say they don't agree with what their Govt is doing.

Mr. Lewis did endure much during the 60's. I am way old enough to remember it all. But unlike you, I don't disparage the Tea Partiers for exercising their civil rights anymore than I would disparage Mr. Lewis for his.

As for Free speech. Its just that Free Speech and all can say anything. Left or Right. You and I might not agree but thats just the way it is.

Thanks for your take on it RW

I have never questioned their right to peaceful assembly and free speech. What I do question is:

1. Calling the Government of the United States of America- Fascist, Dictatorship, Nazi etc while that very same government is allowing them to assemble without interference or harassment

2. Calling John Lewis a ****** and then calling him a liar for reporting it

And you speak of a very small minority of the tea party movement.

DO I hold thoset hat were against the Iraq conflict responsible for those that had posters of Bush as Hitler? Or Bush with a bullet in his head?

Rightwinger, I fear you may be just as guilty as those that criticized Cindy Sheehan.

Be fair and allow those you disagree with to speak their mind and do not hold them responsible for the few loons out there that jump in for the free beer.

 

[Jarhead]

You may want to ask questions that are not designed to only insult and then actually put question marks at the end next time.

This was your post 71. It criticized my punctuation and my question was not designed to insult. But nowhere does it answer my question.

I simply asked if my assumption was correct. (and it had a quyestion mark after it).

But I do not wish to go back and forth. We are gaining nothing here.

Thanks for the debate. Some good was gained from it. Have a great day.

I wish some good had come of it.

Some did.
Your wish came true.

 

[Meister]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead
Quote: Originally Posted by Truthmatters
Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead


I give people the benefit of the doubt. I assume you condemn the actions of those that acted with violence against the Iraq war.yes I did I assume you condemn those that felt it necessary to cast a black mark on a funeral for a fallen soldier.Yes I did I assume you condemn the act of murder inflicted on the pro life "sit in" guyNo idea of what you speak. I assume you condemn the act of murder on the abortion doctor as well, as I do.Yes I did

I do not ask my neighbor to confirm his HUMANITY with words. I assume he is a compassionate humane person by default. It is up to him to prove otherwise.I assume nothing about people

Correct me if I am worng, but I believe you assume all those with conservative beliefs are inhumane by default and it is up to us individually to prove otherwsie.This is not a real question but an infantile insult

Am I correct?
About what?
LOL. I put it in bold so you would see it yet you still didnt see it.

Never mind.

You may want to ask questions that are not designed to only insult and then actually put question marks at the end next time.
__________________

I'll bet Jarhead is beating his head against the wall with your posts, TDM.

He'll learn the art of patience, or accept you as we all do.

 

[Truthmatters]

you do not accept me