Victims' Families Want To Air New 9/11 Truth Ad

[daws101]

‪911 Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out Trailer; AE911Truth.org 9/11 DVD.‬‏ - YouTube

 

[daws101]

Changing List
The key to the AE911Truth presentation is a list of “all” characteristics of controlled demolition. Any presenter for the group gives this list first and then compares features of the WTC collapses to the list. As the talk progresses, the presenter checks each off and thus appears to demonstrate that the WTC collapses had to be controlled demolitions.

However, the group possesses no credible authority for presenting such a list. The founder, Richard Gage, is an architect by training, not a demolition expert. Since it’s evident that the group has simply drawn the list up based on things they think they observe in the collapses, the list is actually an example of the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.

For example, AE911Truth changes the list based on whether they believe they can demonstrate the characteristic. This was done recently when Gage admitted that he could not prove the existence of “squibs” in the collapse of 7 World Trade. Instead of recognizing the weakness of his argument, he simply changed the list for 7 World Trade to eliminate the “squibs” feature.

Indeed, the current version of the presentation slideshow first gives a list of CD characteristics, then changes it slightly for 7 World Trade, and then changes it even more substantially for the Towers. AE911Truth cannot win even when it stacks the deck for itself!


AE911Truth.INFO » Changing List

 

[eots]

changing list
the key to the ae911truth presentation is a list of “all” characteristics of controlled demolition. Any presenter for the group gives this list first and then compares features of the wtc collapses to the list. As the talk progresses, the presenter checks each off and thus appears to demonstrate that the wtc collapses had to be controlled demolitions.

However, the group possesses no credible authority for presenting such a list. The founder, richard gage, is an architect by training, not a demolition expert. Since it’s evident that the group has simply drawn the list up based on things they think they observe in the collapses, the list is actually an example of the texas sharpshooter fallacy.

For example, ae911truth changes the list based on whether they believe they can demonstrate the characteristic. This was done recently when gage admitted that he could not prove the existence of “squibs” in the collapse of 7 world trade. Instead of recognizing the weakness of his argument, he simply changed the list for 7 world trade to eliminate the “squibs” feature.

Indeed, the current version of the presentation slideshow first gives a list of cd characteristics, then changes it slightly for 7 world trade, and then changes it even more substantially for the towers. Ae911truth cannot win even when it stacks the deck for itself!


ae911truth.info » changing list

more of your pointless drivel...

 

[daws101]

changing list
the key to the ae911truth presentation is a list of “all” characteristics of controlled demolition. Any presenter for the group gives this list first and then compares features of the wtc collapses to the list. As the talk progresses, the presenter checks each off and thus appears to demonstrate that the wtc collapses had to be controlled demolitions.

However, the group possesses no credible authority for presenting such a list. The founder, richard gage, is an architect by training, not a demolition expert. Since it’s evident that the group has simply drawn the list up based on things they think they observe in the collapses, the list is actually an example of the texas sharpshooter fallacy.

For example, ae911truth changes the list based on whether they believe they can demonstrate the characteristic. This was done recently when gage admitted that he could not prove the existence of “squibs” in the collapse of 7 world trade. Instead of recognizing the weakness of his argument, he simply changed the list for 7 world trade to eliminate the “squibs” feature.

Indeed, the current version of the presentation slideshow first gives a list of cd characteristics, then changes it slightly for 7 world trade, and then changes it even more substantially for the towers. Ae911truth cannot win even when it stacks the deck for itself!


ae911truth.info » changing list

more of your pointless drivel...

ok! and yours has a point, other than it has no basis in fact?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Anyway, who's going to be at ground zero for the 10th anniversary of the false flag attack to attempt to engage in discussion with people and have many of them start screaming at you with arguments like "Its not possible!!" or "Nobody would do such a thing" or any other irrational emotion filled based claim that makes no sense while we get to be pushed into the little NYPD approved area and are treated rudely by them?

I was planning on it,i really wanted to but money is tight right now and I wont be able to.

 

[daws101]

Anyway, who's going to be at ground zero for the 10th anniversary of the false flag attack to attempt to engage in discussion with people and have many of them start screaming at you with arguments like "Its not possible!!" or "Nobody would do such a thing" or any other irrational emotion filled based claim that makes no sense while we get to be pushed into the little NYPD approved area and are treated rudely by them?

I was planning on it,i really wanted to but money is tight right now and I wont be able to.

if you had any real conviction you'd find a way ,after all the fate of the world is in your hands!

 

[LA RAM FAN]

someone farted in here. Happened today at 2:21 pm.

 

[daws101]

someone farted in here. Happened today at 2:21 pm.

with your head so far up your ass it must be you!

 

[LA RAM FAN]

gonna have to leave here now since it stinks so bad after someone shitting all over the floor twice today now.

 

[daws101]

gonna have to leave here now since it stinks so bad after someone shitting all over the floor twice today now.

zzzzzzzzzzz....zzzzzz....zzzzz

 

[georgephillip]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHo5hNCvLb4&feature=player_embedded

Spread the word and research what the real issues are with the NIST investigation and the problems the families of the victims of 9-11 and many others have with the explanation that was told to the country.

On the political front...

Getting an impartial and scientific investigation into the events of 911 would be much easier if hundreds of Republican AND Democratic incumbents are FLUSHED from DC in November 2012.

For many voters, this requires choosing from established third-party candidates already appearing on their ballots.

FLUSH the DC toilet in 2012, and then put Bush, Cheney, and Rummy on the stand under oath.

That would be Hope and Change we could all Believe in.

 

[daws101]

‪Help put this TV Ad on the Air -- Go to RememberBuilding7.org‬‏ - YouTube

Spread the word and research what the real issues are with the NIST investigation and the problems the families of the victims of 9-11 and many others have with the explanation that was told to the country.

On the political front...

Getting an impartial and scientific investigation into the events of 911 would be much easier if hundreds of Republican AND Democratic incumbents are FLUSHED from DC in November 2012.

For many voters, this requires choosing from established third-party candidates already appearing on their ballots.

FLUSH the DC toilet in 2012, and then put Bush, Cheney, and Rummy on the stand under oath.

That would be Hope and Change we could all Believe in.

 

[georgephillip]

"Following the launch of the TV ad campaign on Monday June 6, Remember Building 7 released the results from a new poll we commissioned, conducted by the Siena Research Institute, on what New Yorkers believe about 9/11..."

"1 in 3 New Yorkers were unaware of Building 7’s collapse, only 25 percent have ever seen video footage of the collapse, and 86 percent were unable to name the building;

• Of those aware of Building 7’s collapse, 24 percent believe it was a controlled demolition, 23 percent are unsure, and 49 percent believe it was caused by fires.."

"When respondents are informed that the government issued a report in 2008 concluding fires brought down Building 7, and they are informed that there are critics including 1,500 architects and engineers who dispute the government’s report, saying that only explosives can account for Building 7’s collapse, 36 percent of all respondents say they are inclined to believe the critics, 40 percent are inclined to believe the government’s account, and 23 percent are unsure;

• Given the above information, 48 percent are in favor of the Manhattan District Attorney or New York City Council opening a new investigation into Building 7’s collapse, 44 percent are opposed and 8 percent don’t know or refused to answer."

Poll: 48% of New Yorkers Support Building 7 Investigation

Is it time for a full investigation into the collapse of WTC 7?

 

[daws101]

"Following the launch of the TV ad campaign on Monday June 6, Remember Building 7 released the results from a new poll we commissioned, conducted by the Siena Research Institute, on what New Yorkers believe about 9/11..."

"1 in 3 New Yorkers were unaware of Building 7’s collapse, only 25 percent have ever seen video footage of the collapse, and 86 percent were unable to name the building;

• Of those aware of Building 7’s collapse, 24 percent believe it was a controlled demolition, 23 percent are unsure, and 49 percent believe it was caused by fires.."

"When respondents are informed that the government issued a report in 2008 concluding fires brought down Building 7, and they are informed that there are critics including 1,500 architects and engineers who dispute the government’s report, saying that only explosives can account for Building 7’s collapse, 36 percent of all respondents say they are inclined to believe the critics, 40 percent are inclined to believe the government’s account, and 23 percent are unsure;

• Given the above information, 48 percent are in favor of the Manhattan District Attorney or New York City Council opening a new investigation into Building 7’s collapse, 44 percent are opposed and 8 percent don’t know or refused to answer."

Poll: 48% of New Yorkers Support Building 7 Investigation

Is it time for a full investigation into the collapse of WTC 7?

an assholes and egotists poll skewed pov and worthless.

 

[georgephillip]

In what way(s) is(are) the poll skewed?

Do you have any "thoughts" on free fall?

"Responding to the criticism, NIST in its final report issued in November 2008 did finally acknowledge that Building 7 descended at free fall.

"According to NIST, 'This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories, or 32.0 meters (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s [a period of 2.25 seconds].'[v]

"However, NIST did not attempt to explain how Building 7’s free fall descent could have occurred."

Remember Building 7 | Stand with the 9-11 families demanding a NEW Building 7 investigation - Free Fall Collapse

 

[daws101]

In what way(s) is(are) the poll skewed?

Do you have any "thoughts" on free fall?

"Responding to the criticism, NIST in its final report issued in November 2008 did finally acknowledge that Building 7 descended at free fall.

"According to NIST, 'This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories, or 32.0 meters (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s [a period of 2.25 seconds].'[v]

"However, NIST did not attempt to explain how Building 7’s free fall descent could have occurred."

Remember Building 7 | Stand with the 9-11 families demanding a NEW Building 7 investigation - Free Fall Collapse

freefall...Obviously you are not interested in the answer.

Any object that falls from a stand still under gravity only is considered free falling and therefore would be falling at free fall speed.

An object gains speed because of accelleration do to gravity and the shape of the object determines the terminal velocity.



If a structure like a highrise building has its main struts compromized on the sides of the building as the wtc building was made. and if the remaining beams are WEAKEned AND that is weakened you dont need them to melt to have them bend and colapse under a stress of tonnes of weight.

Add to that the physics of a mass of say 10 to 20 floors suddenly collapsing on the supports of the floor on the 21 floor from the top.

that would once the one floor collapses would create more stress on each successive lower level thus creating a pancake effect.

And yes it has happened many times where buildings PANCAKE when the supports were substandard for the structure. This is in the news many times. So its NOT hard for someone with some sense of common sense to believe that something as unusual as a PLANE crashing into the building would cause a catrostrophic reaction like PANCAKING the building falling down on itself.

Hope you enjoyed the answer.

 

[eots]

In what way(s) is(are) the poll skewed?

Do you have any "thoughts" on free fall?

"Responding to the criticism, NIST in its final report issued in November 2008 did finally acknowledge that Building 7 descended at free fall.

"According to NIST, 'This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories, or 32.0 meters (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s [a period of 2.25 seconds].'[v]

"However, NIST did not attempt to explain how Building 7’s free fall descent could have occurred."

Remember Building 7 | Stand with the 9-11 families demanding a NEW Building 7 investigation - Free Fall Collapse

freefall...Obviously you are not interested in the answer.

Any object that falls from a stand still under gravity only is considered free falling and therefore would be falling at free fall speed.

An object gains speed because of accelleration do to gravity and the shape of the object determines the terminal velocity.



If a structure like a highrise building has its main struts compromized on the sides of the building as the wtc building was made. and if the remaining beams are WEAKEned AND that is weakened you dont need them to melt to have them bend and colapse under a stress of tonnes of weight.

Add to that the physics of a mass of say 10 to 20 floors suddenly collapsing on the supports of the floor on the 21 floor from the top.

that would once the one floor collapses would create more stress on each successive lower level thus creating a pancake effect.

And yes it has happened many times where buildings PANCAKE when the supports were substandard for the structure. This is in the news many times. So its NOT hard for someone with some sense of common sense to believe that something as unusual as a PLANE crashing into the building would cause a catrostrophic reaction like PANCAKING the building falling down on itself.

Hope you enjoyed the answer.

many times really can you provide an example ?....and so where are the pancaked floors after the collapse of wtc ?

 

[daws101]

In what way(s) is(are) the poll skewed?

Do you have any "thoughts" on free fall?

"Responding to the criticism, NIST in its final report issued in November 2008 did finally acknowledge that Building 7 descended at free fall.

"According to NIST, 'This free fall drop continued for approximately 8 stories, or 32.0 meters (105 ft), the distance traveled between times t = 1.75 s and t = 4.0 s [a period of 2.25 seconds].'[v]

"However, NIST did not attempt to explain how Building 7’s free fall descent could have occurred."

Remember Building 7 | Stand with the 9-11 families demanding a NEW Building 7 investigation - Free Fall Collapse

freefall...Obviously you are not interested in the answer.

Any object that falls from a stand still under gravity only is considered free falling and therefore would be falling at free fall speed.

An object gains speed because of accelleration do to gravity and the shape of the object determines the terminal velocity.



If a structure like a highrise building has its main struts compromized on the sides of the building as the wtc building was made. and if the remaining beams are WEAKEned AND that is weakened you dont need them to melt to have them bend and colapse under a stress of tonnes of weight.

Add to that the physics of a mass of say 10 to 20 floors suddenly collapsing on the supports of the floor on the 21 floor from the top.

that would once the one floor collapses would create more stress on each successive lower level thus creating a pancake effect.

And yes it has happened many times where buildings PANCAKE when the supports were substandard for the structure. This is in the news many times. So its NOT hard for someone with some sense of common sense to believe that something as unusual as a PLANE crashing into the building would cause a catrostrophic reaction like PANCAKING the building falling down on itself.

Hope you enjoyed the answer.

many times really can you provide an example ?....and so where are the pancaked floors after the collapse of wtc ?

have you forgotten! there are no more floors of wtc7 to study!

 

[daws101]

In a video, it appears that WTC 7 is descending in free fall, something that would not occur in the structural collapse that you describe. How can you ignore basic laws of physics?
In the draft WTC 7 report (released Aug. 21, 2008; available at WTC Disaster Study), NIST stated that the north face of the building descended 18 stories (the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds, based on video analysis of the building collapse. This time period is 40 percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the north face of the building had descended solely under free fall conditions. During the public comment period on the draft report, NIST was asked to confirm this time difference and define the reasons for it in greater detail.

To further clarify the descent of the north face, NIST recorded the downward displacement of a point near the center of the roofline from first movement until the north face was no longer visible in the video. Numerical analyses were conducted to calculate the velocity and acceleration of the roofline point from the time-dependent displacement data. The instant at which vertical motion of the roofline first occurred was determined by tracking the numerical value of the brightness of a pixel (a single element in the video image) at the roofline. This pixel became brighter as the roofline began to descend because the color of the pixel started to change from that of the building façade to the lighter color of the sky.

The approach taken by NIST is summarized in Section 3.6 of the final summary report, NCSTAR 1A (released Nov. 20, 2008; available at WTC Disaster Study) and detailed in Section 12.5.3 of NIST NCSTAR 1-9 (available at WTC Disaster Study).

The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:

Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity

This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent time—compared to the 3.9 second free fall time—was due primarily to Stage 1, which corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to support the loads from the structure above. In Stage 3, the acceleration decreased as the upper portion of the north face encountered increased resistance from the collapsed structure and the debris pile below.

 

[daws101]

twin towers pancakes .

Large pieces of debris, likened to meteorites by preservationists, are actually several floors of the towers compressed together as the buildings collapsed. Furniture, twisted metal, pipes, cords and even papers with legible type are visible. The pieces are kept in a humidity-controlled tent in Hangar 17 of Kennedy International Airport.
(Photo by Lane Johnson)