Vegas murders motive, my guess

[pismoe]

So it's been nearly a week and the police and media are unable to determine the motive for the murderous carnage.

I wondered about the ISIS claim, but with no sign of jihad, I too was stumped.

Then, this morning, I heard a story on an NPR station (I'm not finding a link) about a branch of radical jihadists in Catalonia, near Barcelona, Spain. The Imam encouraged followers to embrace a western lifestyle in order to blend in, including drinking alcohol and eating bacon. I got the impression of a more clandestine version of Islamic terrorism. Leave 'em baffled for Allah? They were thought to be responsible for attacks in Europe before their mosque was shut down.

This May, 2017 NPR article states outright that when ISIS claims responsibility for a connection to terrorism in the West, they're telling the truth: What Does It Mean When ISIS Claims Responsibility For An Attack?

My best guess with what I know at this point is he turn radical jihadist, inspired by the teachings of that Imam.

----------------------------------------------------------------------- WHY do you say , no sign of jihad ?? The simple mass murder is a sign of 'jihad' . I didn't look at the link yet but that sort of blessed islamic deception is called ' taqiyah' and is a basic of 'islam ' . ---------------- My sorta theory is , 'paddock' cased a couple events before he did what he did in 'vegas' . The reason that he and his [possible] 'jihadi' handlers settled on 'vegas' was due to some huge jet fuel tanks that i have heard about that were close to the event which they considered to be Bonus targets . Interesting that those or one of the fuel tanks were penetrated by one or more bullets but they are double hulled fuel tanks and the inner tank was not penetrated . Also heard that this murderer was trying to buy 'tracer rounds' which would set off fuel if a leak from those fuel tanks was created EFMinor .

 

[skye]

I am trying to put this in nicely, but this is just ONE reason to repeal the second amendment on the grounds it's outdated and invalid.

The Second Amendment is the only reason USA hasn't become a complete Banana Republic/ Dictatorship like many of their brother and sisters countries in Latin America.

But that's another topic.

 

[eflatminor]

Even sleeper cells, when activated, claim responsibility on behalf of some group. There is nothing in this case.

Agree, but then, according NPR, when ISIS takes claim for an event in the West, they are always right. Why would that all of sudden change?

I hate to use a cliche phrase but...consider the source. NPR are a bunch of lefties. Lefty law clearly states that when a threatened community (everyone except white males) make a claim, it should be taken seriously. Especially when that claim involves a white male.

To be clear, the NPR article regarding ISIS claims predates the Vegas murders. The radio story about undercover jihadist aired this morning.

My initial statement about sleeper cells remains. Once again, with regard to ISIS, consider the source.
ISIS claimed responsibility the casino shooting in the Philippines, that proved to be untrue.
ISIS, as an organization is in full retreat mode.
They have lost 90% of the territories that they controlled in the ME. In addition to national governments focusing on them, other terrorist organizations have a bulls eye on them.
If no one claims an incident, what is the harm in claiming it for themselves? They get their name in the press, a name whose terrorist market value is quickly losing value. I say they are grasping at straws. I also say a lazy media searching for a big name to catch the ear or eye of a viewer will use their name with only a modicum of true evidence.

That is a valid point regarding recent pressure on ISIS.

I really don't know what the motivation, that is the truth.

Agree re media.

 

[skye]

Seriously though, it seems to me at this stage that he did what he did because he was mentally ill and an asshole. I'm not sure that trying to assign a motive to it beyond that is really all that productive.

The time and energy the government puts into playing criminal whack-a-mole with gun-control laws should really be put into serious research on the brain and mental health.

I say he was mentally ill no matter what the motivation. I admit to wanting the know that motivation, particularly if it came via an enemy of the United States.

Re research on mental health, I wonder if it should be less research and more of a willingness to put troubled folks, once fully and properly adjudicated, into mental institutions, which need not be the awful places as they sometimes were in the past. This seems to me well within a state's right to legislate. The alternative seems to be to let the jails handle them or they walk into walls homeless. Of course, I doubt that would have stopped the asshole in Vegas. Others, perhaps. Tons of petty crime, absolutely. A tricky civil rights issue to be sure.

The Sheriff says it possibly was "radicalization".

Do we know more than the Sheriff?

 

[fncceo]

Sometimes ... people just be crazy.

 

[MaryL]

I am trying to put this in nicely, but this is just ONE reason to repeal the second amendment on the grounds it's outdated and invalid.

The Second Amendment is the only reason USA hasn't become a complete Banana Republic/ Dictatorship like many of their brother and sisters countries in Latin America.

But that's another topic.

Banana republic =Armed factions shooting each in a struggle for control and dominance. We are getting there.

 

[skye]

Sometimes ... people just be crazy.

Yes. Sometimes.

But in this case, Sheriff Lombardo talks about a possible radicalization of the gunman.

 

[eflatminor]

So it's been nearly a week and the police and media are unable to determine the motive for the murderous carnage.

I wondered about the ISIS claim, but with no sign of jihad, I too was stumped.

Then, this morning, I heard a story on an NPR station (I'm not finding a link) about a branch of radical jihadists in Catalonia, near Barcelona, Spain. The Imam encouraged followers to embrace a western lifestyle in order to blend in, including drinking alcohol and eating bacon. I got the impression of a more clandestine version of Islamic terrorism. Leave 'em baffled for Allah? They were thought to be responsible for attacks in Europe before their mosque was shut down.

This May, 2017 NPR article states outright that when ISIS claims responsibility for a connection to terrorism in the West, they're telling the truth: What Does It Mean When ISIS Claims Responsibility For An Attack?

My best guess with what I know at this point is he turn radical jihadist, inspired by the teachings of that Imam.

----------------------------------------------------------------------- WHY do you say , no sign of jihad ?? The simple mass murder is a sign of 'jihad' . I didn't look at the link yet but that sort of blessed islamic deception is called ' taqiyah' and is a basic of 'islam ' . ---------------- My sorta theory is , 'paddock' cased a couple events before he did what he did in 'vegas' . The reason that he and his 'jihadi' handlers settled on 'vegas' was due to some huge jet fuel tanks that i have heard about that were close to the event which they considered to be Bonus targets . Interesting that those or one of the fuel tanks were penetrated by one or more bullets but they are double hulled fuel tanks and the inner tank was not penetrated . Also heard that this murderer was trying to buy 'tracer rounds' which would set off fuel if a leak from those fuel tanks was created EFMinor .

Agree it sure looked like an act of jihad, but the perp, not so much.

That's the name they mentioned on the radio news story, taqiyah.

Those fuel tanks would have required something like a .338 or better yet a fifty cal.

 

[eflatminor]

Seriously though, it seems to me at this stage that he did what he did because he was mentally ill and an asshole. I'm not sure that trying to assign a motive to it beyond that is really all that productive.

The time and energy the government puts into playing criminal whack-a-mole with gun-control laws should really be put into serious research on the brain and mental health.

I say he was mentally ill no matter what the motivation. I admit to wanting the know that motivation, particularly if it came via an enemy of the United States.

Re research on mental health, I wonder if it should be less research and more of a willingness to put troubled folks, once fully and properly adjudicated, into mental institutions, which need not be the awful places as they sometimes were in the past. This seems to me well within a state's right to legislate. The alternative seems to be to let the jails handle them or they walk into walls homeless. Of course, I doubt that would have stopped the asshole in Vegas. Others, perhaps. Tons of petty crime, absolutely. A tricky civil rights issue to be sure.

The Sheriff says it possibly was "radicalization".

Do we know more than the Sheriff?

That's rather vague of the Sheriff. Any act like this is radical.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

So it's been nearly a week and the police and media are unable to determine the motive for the murderous carnage.

I wondered about the ISIS claim, but with no sign of jihad, I too was stumped.

Then, this morning, I heard a story on an NPR station (I'm not finding a link) about a branch of radical jihadists in Catalonia, near Barcelona, Spain. The Imam encouraged followers to embrace a western lifestyle in order to blend in, including drinking alcohol and eating bacon. I got the impression of a more clandestine version of Islamic terrorism. Leave 'em baffled for Allah? They were thought to be responsible for attacks in Europe before their mosque was shut down.

This May, 2017 NPR article states outright that when ISIS claims responsibility for a connection to terrorism in the West, they're telling the truth: What Does It Mean When ISIS Claims Responsibility For An Attack?

My best guess with what I know at this point is he turn radical jihadist, inspired by the teachings of that Imam.

Hell we haven't heard anything medical as of yet, hell for all we know he could have developed a brain tumor or had long term undiagnosed syphilis which will affect the brain.

He was eating prescription Diazapam with an alcohol chaser.

 

[pismoe]

Sometimes ... people just be crazy.

Yes. Sometimes.

But in this case, Sheriff Lombardo talks about a possible radicalization of the gunman.

------------------------------------------------------------------- i was just going to mention the Sheriff and his suspicions and his thinking while unpopular makes a whole lot of sense to me Skye .

 

[MaryL]

Sometimes ... people just be crazy.

I remember the Texas University tower shooter, a smart white guy, he had a brain tumor that made him prone to shoot his wife and mother, then moved on to murder 14 innocent people. SO, if we can't determine who might be a mass shooter, why not repeal the 2nd Amendment?

 

[tinydancer]

Explosives. The media trying to pin this on "just a white gun nut" refuse to really go after all the explosives angle. I checked out tannerite. Holy freaking toledo!!!!

 

[eflatminor]

So it's been nearly a week and the police and media are unable to determine the motive for the murderous carnage.

I wondered about the ISIS claim, but with no sign of jihad, I too was stumped.

Then, this morning, I heard a story on an NPR station (I'm not finding a link) about a branch of radical jihadists in Catalonia, near Barcelona, Spain. The Imam encouraged followers to embrace a western lifestyle in order to blend in, including drinking alcohol and eating bacon. I got the impression of a more clandestine version of Islamic terrorism. Leave 'em baffled for Allah? They were thought to be responsible for attacks in Europe before their mosque was shut down.

This May, 2017 NPR article states outright that when ISIS claims responsibility for a connection to terrorism in the West, they're telling the truth: What Does It Mean When ISIS Claims Responsibility For An Attack?

My best guess with what I know at this point is he turn radical jihadist, inspired by the teachings of that Imam.

Hell we haven't heard anything medical as of yet, hell for all we know he could have developed a brain tumor or had long term undiagnosed syphilis which will affect the brain.

He was eating prescription Diazapam with an alcohol chaser.

Yes, and deaths due to Valium/alcohol overdoes are soaring. I've not seen evidence it leads to mass murder, though I'm sure it did help either.

 

[skye]

Seriously though, it seems to me at this stage that he did what he did because he was mentally ill and an asshole. I'm not sure that trying to assign a motive to it beyond that is really all that productive.

The time and energy the government puts into playing criminal whack-a-mole with gun-control laws should really be put into serious research on the brain and mental health.

I say he was mentally ill no matter what the motivation. I admit to wanting the know that motivation, particularly if it came via an enemy of the United States.

Re research on mental health, I wonder if it should be less research and more of a willingness to put troubled folks, once fully and properly adjudicated, into mental institutions, which need not be the awful places as they sometimes were in the past. This seems to me well within a state's right to legislate. The alternative seems to be to let the jails handle them or they walk into walls homeless. Of course, I doubt that would have stopped the asshole in Vegas. Others, perhaps. Tons of petty crime, absolutely. A tricky civil rights issue to be sure.

The Sheriff says it possibly was "radicalization".

Do we know more than the Sheriff?

That's rather vague of the Sheriff. Any act like this is radical.

Do you know more than the Sheriff?

I am quoting the Sheriff, I agree with the Sheriff.

On the contrary, it seems that many here think they know more than the Sheriff.


This is the meaning of radicalisation and the Sheriff could not have been more clear!

-"Radicalization (or radicalisation) is a process by which an individual, or group comes to adopt increasingly extreme political, social, or religious ideals and aspirations that reject or undermine the status quo or undermine contemporary ideas and expressions of the nation."-

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Sometimes ... people just be crazy.

I remember the Texas University tower shooter, a smart white guy, he had a brain tumor that made him prone to shoot his wife and mother, then moved on to murder 14 innocent people. SO, if we can't determine who might be a mass shooter, why not repeal the 2nd Amendment?

Because rational people don't try to punish everyone for the acts of a scant few.

 

[fncceo]

But in this case, Sheriff Lombardo talks about a possible radicalization of the gunman.

We've created a climate of hysteria in this country about 'terrorism' and we've all become properly terrorized. We've eviscerated our 4th Amendment rights and, if some people get their way, we could lose the 1st and 2nd as well.

When we've gone through so much trouble to create the specter of such a threat, everything will appear to confirm it. To a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

For Europeans and Israelis, these are legitimate threats with which they are ill-equipped to deal. But, in our country, we don't have large populations of disaffected, radicalized, young men who are typically the soldiers of Jihad.

Unless fairly conclusive evidence comes to light, the simple answer to the question of why is ...

 

[pismoe]

So it's been nearly a week and the police and media are unable to determine the motive for the murderous carnage.

I wondered about the ISIS claim, but with no sign of jihad, I too was stumped.

Then, this morning, I heard a story on an NPR station (I'm not finding a link) about a branch of radical jihadists in Catalonia, near Barcelona, Spain. The Imam encouraged followers to embrace a western lifestyle in order to blend in, including drinking alcohol and eating bacon. I got the impression of a more clandestine version of Islamic terrorism. Leave 'em baffled for Allah? They were thought to be responsible for attacks in Europe before their mosque was shut down.

This May, 2017 NPR article states outright that when ISIS claims responsibility for a connection to terrorism in the West, they're telling the truth: What Does It Mean When ISIS Claims Responsibility For An Attack?

My best guess with what I know at this point is he turn radical jihadist, inspired by the teachings of that Imam.

----------------------------------------------------------------------- WHY do you say , no sign of jihad ?? The simple mass murder is a sign of 'jihad' . I didn't look at the link yet but that sort of blessed islamic deception is called ' taqiyah' and is a basic of 'islam ' . ---------------- My sorta theory is , 'paddock' cased a couple events before he did what he did in 'vegas' . The reason that he and his 'jihadi' handlers settled on 'vegas' was due to some huge jet fuel tanks that i have heard about that were close to the event which they considered to be Bonus targets . Interesting that those or one of the fuel tanks were penetrated by one or more bullets but they are double hulled fuel tanks and the inner tank was not penetrated . Also heard that this murderer was trying to buy 'tracer rounds' which would set off fuel if a leak from those fuel tanks was created EFMinor .

Agree it sure looked like an act of jihad, but the perp, not so much.

That's the name they mentioned on the radio news story, taqiyah.

Those fuel tanks would have required something like a .338 or better yet a fifty cal.

--------------------------------------------- well he failed on the inner liner of the fuel tanks but he did do his job and 'islamic state' / isis approves and muslims world wide approve .

 

[eflatminor]

Sometimes ... people just be crazy.

I remember the Texas University tower shooter, a smart white guy, he had a brain tumor that made him prone to shoot his wife and mother, then moved on to murder 14 innocent people. SO, if we can't determine who might be a mass shooter, why not repeal the 2nd Amendment?

Good lord.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

So it's been nearly a week and the police and media are unable to determine the motive for the murderous carnage.

I wondered about the ISIS claim, but with no sign of jihad, I too was stumped.

Then, this morning, I heard a story on an NPR station (I'm not finding a link) about a branch of radical jihadists in Catalonia, near Barcelona, Spain. The Imam encouraged followers to embrace a western lifestyle in order to blend in, including drinking alcohol and eating bacon. I got the impression of a more clandestine version of Islamic terrorism. Leave 'em baffled for Allah? They were thought to be responsible for attacks in Europe before their mosque was shut down.

This May, 2017 NPR article states outright that when ISIS claims responsibility for a connection to terrorism in the West, they're telling the truth: What Does It Mean When ISIS Claims Responsibility For An Attack?

My best guess with what I know at this point is he turn radical jihadist, inspired by the teachings of that Imam.

Hell we haven't heard anything medical as of yet, hell for all we know he could have developed a brain tumor or had long term undiagnosed syphilis which will affect the brain.

He was eating prescription Diazapam with an alcohol chaser.

Yes, and deaths due to Valium/alcohol overdoes are soaring. I've not seen evidence it leads to mass murder, though I'm sure it did help either.

It can in rare cases lead to thoughts of suicide, delusional thinking and the un-inhibiting of pre-existing violent tendencies.