Van Jones Warns of 'Turbulent' Election Year

[blastoff]

your lies get outed and your cheating is well known now.

no more elections for you

Gosh. All that in just the last year, huh?

 

[Dragon]

You're a communist. You want to force me to live under a tyrannical government - even more tyrannical that we currently tolerate.

That's ridiculous of course. Even when I was a Communist I never subscribed to the Leninist anti-democratic crap; few American Communists ever have. And I haven't been one since I was a teenager, although I remain a socialist of a different kind.

CG, when you can keep yourself from stooping to personal invective you're one of the more intelligent people on this forum. If you want to remove yourself from any kind of serious discussion except with people who amount to an echo chamber for yourself, that's truly unfortunate.

EDIT: By the way, Truthmatters isn't a Communist either.

 

[The Gadfly]

Go Van go.

the minority will never again call the shots in this country.


You cant cheat without getting caught , you cant lie without getting caught.

The rights whole bag of tricks is depleted.

bye right wing

No, the minority will not call the shots again.....what you fail to realize, Truthie, is that YOU are the minority! Take heart though; most Americans are nicer than I am, and I don't see all that much sentiment for throwing your Leftist minority behind the wire.....yet. Of course, if the Left should instigate violence.......you figure it out, but I don't think there will be much tolerance for THAT.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Name one that's against gun control?
or
doesn't support this class warfare bs.
or
Is actually pissed that obama murdered a US citizen w/o a trial. < especially that one, cuz I've been looking.

There are plenty on the left who would agree about the first and third, though not the second. More to the point, though, is that none of these amount to denying a right to vote.

So the movement to close down conservative radio is about.... what exactly?

and, again, dems were convicted of voter fraud.

 

[Dragon]

So the movement to close down conservative radio is about.... what exactly?

What movement to close down conservative radio? I've seen what amounts to a movement to discredit it, but that's hardly the same thing. And even if such a movement did exist, it would not be a movement against the right to vote.

and, again, dems were convicted of voter fraud.

1) Don't confuse Democrats with liberals.
2) The overwhelming majority of Democrats have NOT been convicted of voter fraud.
3) Voter fraud is not an attempt to foreclose the right to vote.
4) Voter fraud, to the extent it exists, is used by Republicans to justify foreclosing the right to vote -- they are far more guilty of this than the Democrats.

 

[California Girl]

You're a communist. You want to force me to live under a tyrannical government - even more tyrannical that we currently tolerate.

That's ridiculous of course. Even when I was a Communist I never subscribed to the Leninist anti-democratic crap; few American Communists ever have. And I haven't been one since I was a teenager, although I remain a socialist of a different kind.

CG, when you can keep yourself from stooping to personal invective you're one of the more intelligent people on this forum. If you want to remove yourself from any kind of serious discussion except with people who amount to an echo chamber for yourself, that's truly unfortunate.

EDIT: By the way, Truthmatters isn't a Communist either.

We were not set up to be a socialist country. People who want to live under socialism should move to Europe - see how great it is up close and personal. I have.

I have a passion for the origins of this nation. We, as a nation, went from a ragtag bunch of revolutionaries to the greatest nation this world has ever seen and we did that in just 200 years. And we did that by working together, and for ourselves. We did not do it by relying on someone else to provide everything we need. I am neither a Republican, nor a Democrat. I despise both parties equally. I do not want to take the country back TO anything, I want to take it back FROM those who do not believe in the core founding principles of the American Dream. I love this country - it is mine, as much as it is yours or anyone else's. None of us have the right to force our way on the whole country. Which I why, when push comes to shove, I will no more support a totally Conservative Government any more than I would support a totally Liberal one. Compromise is what took us to the heights that we reached and compromise will keep us there.... IF we have the courage to recognize that.

"Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..." Note: it says nothing about 'yearning for a free ride'. Freedom. That is the heart of our country - and we cannot be free while we are reliant on taking from others to provide for those who do not want to do for themselves.

 

[Dragon]

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We were not set up to be a socialist country. People who want to live under socialism should move to Europe - see how great it is up close and personal. I have.

I have a passion for the origins of this nation. We, as a nation, went from a ragtag bunch of revolutionaries to the greatest nation this world has ever seen and we did that in just 200 years. And we did that by working together, and for ourselves. We did not do it by relying on someone else to provide everything we need. I am neither a Republican, nor a Democrat. I despise both parties equally. I do not want to take the country back TO anything, I want to take it back FROM those who do not believe in the core founding principles of the American Dream. I love this country - it is mine, as much as it is yours or anyone else's. None of us have the right to force our way on the whole country. Which I why, when push comes to shove, I will no more support a totally Conservative Government any more than I would support a totally Liberal one. Compromise is what took us to the heights that we reached and compromise will keep us there.... IF we have the courage to recognize that.

"Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..." Note: it says nothing about 'yearning for a free ride'. Freedom. That is the heart of our country - and we cannot be free while we are reliant on taking from others to provide for those who do not want to do for themselves.

We weren't set up NOT to be a socialist country, either. If that was the case it would be spelled out as a restriction in the Constitution. The closest we come to it is the 5th amendment prohibition on taking private property without just compensation, which creates a barrier to easy implementation of certain kinds of socialism.

The problem with socialism is finding a way to make it work -- by which I mean, not the hybrid sort of economy that exists in Europe or that the U.S. used to have, but the real thing with full public ownership of all big business. Obviously what the Soviets tried, centralized bureaucratic socialism, was a bust. Another way, a more decentralized approach, might work, but my belief is that we won't go there until we must. On the other hand, we do know that a hybrid socialist/capitalist economy works better than the pure form of either one (or at least any pure form of socialism that's been tried so far). So what I want is to see us get back to that.

I do think that some form of socialism will eventually be necessary, as automation technology progresses further and jobs disappear forever. Without some efficient and equitable way to distribute wealth, the economy will break down permanently, and without full employment, wages for work will not serve the purpose as they did in the past when we had a mixed economy. But I don't think we're ready for it at this point.

Interesting that you acknowledge we built America by "working together." That's true. When we remember that we're in this together, and enact laws reflecting that reality, then we succeed. When we atomize, and promote selfish interests against the common good, as we have done from time to time, then we fail. That's what loses the support of the people. It's what makes the economy so lopsided that it breaks down, as it did in 1929 and again in 2008.

When that happens, a backlash sets in, and we get back to community thinking once more. It's already happened, although it isn't yet reflected in government policy. It will be, though, one way or another.

 

[whitehall]

Van Jones is the brains (if you can call it that) behind OWS. Is there a doubt in anyone's mind that Jones is a revolutionary anti capitalist? He is a coward who once led an arson and looting rampage in San Francisco after the Rodney King verdicts hoping that the riots would ignite some sort of revolution. He converted (if that's the right word) to communism while in jail. It's a fact of life that cowardly anti-Americans live among us but the most amazing thing is that the president of the United States appointed Jones to a position on his "green jobs" board. The logical assumption is that the green movement is an evolution of the old socialist revolution ignited by Obama's political mentor Bill Ayers back in the 60's and OWS is the activist arm today... Obama got caught and Jones was sent home packing but he ain't giving up on his revolution.