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"On June 8th, survivors of Israel's cruel attack will gather in Washington, DC to honor their dead shipmates as well as the mothers, sisters, widows and children they left behind.

"They will continue to ask for a fair and impartial congressional inquiry that, for the first time, would allow the survivors themselves to testify publicly.

"For decades, I have remained silent. I am a military man and when orders come in from the Secretary of Defense and President of the United States, I follow them. However, attempts to rewrite history and concern for my country compel me to share the truth."

How much are your investments in apartheid Israel paying you to rewrite history?

Don't you find that sort of work a little elitist?

Ward Boston
They did testify publically moron.

It was at the US Navy Court Of Inquiry.
The attack on Liberty is the only assault on a US ship of its kind NEVER publicly investigated by the full US Congress.

Thanks primarily to "Israel Firsters" like you, bitch.

Maybe you should change that avatar to a Star of David?

And move to Jerusalem.
 
The attack on Liberty is the only assault on a US ship of its kind NEVER publicly investigated by the full US Congress.

Thanks primarily to "Israel Firsters" like you, bitch.

Maybe you should change that avatar to a Star of David?

And move to Jerusalem.

Georgie, the US govt determined there was no attack.

Georgie, not a peep from you on your pals in Hezballah who murdered 300 Marines and your buds in Sudan massacring millions in Darfur and southern Sudan.

Georgie, the total fraud.
 
"Can this nation's major newspapers and television networks sedulously refuse to discuss assertions that US servicemen were abandoned by their government? The answer is yes.

"An example: On October 22, 2003 the Independent Commission of Inquiry into the Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967, resulting in the deaths of 34 US crew members and the wounding of 173, issued its report on Capitol Hill. Among its findings:

'"There is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret).'"

"The crew, the report said, were 'abandoned by their own government... fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the US Navy from coming to the defense of USS Liberty... due to the influence of Israel's powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people... there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history.'"

"Signing these emphatic conclusions were some of America’s best known military men: Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; Gen Raymond G. Davis, former assistant commandant of the Marine Corps; Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, former Judge Advocate General of the Navy, and Ambassador James Akins (Ret), former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

"And how were these categorical conclusions dealt with in the press? Reviewing the record four years later, Alison Weir, executive director of If Americans Knew, reported here on the CounterPunch website that a review of the hundreds of newspapers indexed by Lexis-Nexis 'does not turn up a single US newspaper that mentioned this commission, a single US television station, a single US radio station, a single US magazine.

"'While it was mentioned in an Associated Press report focusing on one of the commission's most dramatic revelations, Lexis reveals only a sprinkling of news media printed information from this AP report, and those few that did failed to mention this commission itself, its extremely star-studded composition, and the entirety of its findings.'

"And who, in the case of the Liberty, conducted the initial, cursory Navy Court of Inquiry in the immediate aftermath of the attack?

"None other than Admiral John S. McCain, father of Arizona's senior US senator, preparing the hasty cover-up under the supervision of Johnson's White House and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara."

Alexander Cockburn..
 
"Can this nation's major newspapers and television networks sedulously refuse to discuss assertions that US servicemen were abandoned by their government? The answer is yes.

"An example: On October 22, 2003 the Independent Commission of Inquiry into the Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967, resulting in the deaths of 34 US crew members and the wounding of 173, issued its report on Capitol Hill. Among its findings:

'"There is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret).'"

Georgie, the US govt determined the Liberty incident not even worth investigating because 10 US commisisons determined it was an accident.

Georgie, not a peep from you on your pals in Hezballah murdering 300 Marines in Beirut and your Muslim cohorts' genocide of millions in Darfur and southern Sudan.

Georgie, you're a total fraud and a loser.
 
"The Myth of the "11 Investigations

"If USA Today had investigated this claim, continually put forward by Israel partisans, its editors would have discovered that in 2006 the reference librarian at the Library of Congress had investigated this allegation and found it to be false:

"After checking numerous resources, including the CIS (Congressional Information Service) Indexes to Congressional Hearings (both published and unpublished), and the Public Documents Masterfile, I could find no evidence that the Congress ever held hearings or launched an investigation into the June 8, 1967 incident with the USS Liberty."

Try again..

Poseur.

Alison Weir
 
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"The Myth of the "11 Investigations

"If USA Today had investigated this claim, continually put forward by Israel partisans, its editors would have discovered that in 2006 the reference librarian at the Library of Congress had investigated this allegation and found it to be false:

"After checking numerous resources, including the CIS (Congressional Information Service) Indexes to Congressional Hearings (both published and unpublished), and the Public Documents Masterfile, I could find no evidence that the Congress ever held hearings or launched an investigation into the June 8, 1967 incident with the USS Liberty."

Try again..

Poseur.

Alison Weir

Bogus website, Georgie, illustrating how uneducated you are.

The US govt chose not to investigate the Liberty incident because 10 US commisisons determined it an accident.

Georgie, not a peep from you about your pals in Hezballah murdering 300 Marines in Beirut or your Muslim cohorts in Sudan slaughtering millions in Darfur and southern Sudan.

Georgie the fraud gets bitch slapped, again.
 
"The Myth of the "11 Investigations

"If USA Today had investigated this claim, continually put forward by Israel partisans, its editors would have discovered that in 2006 the reference librarian at the Library of Congress had investigated this allegation and found it to be false:

"After checking numerous resources, including the CIS (Congressional Information Service) Indexes to Congressional Hearings (both published and unpublished), and the Public Documents Masterfile, I could find no evidence that the Congress ever held hearings or launched an investigation into the June 8, 1967 incident with the USS Liberty."

Try again..

Poseur.

Alison Weir


1) You are a douche bag

2) I never said 11 investigations.

The investigations were:

The US Navy Court of Inquiry

The Joint Chiefs

The CIA

The Senate Intelligence Committee

The House Armed Services Committee

3) The transcripts of the Israeli pilots as gotten by a US spy plane confirms that it was an accident

4) You are still a douche bag
 
"On June 8th, survivors of Israel's cruel attack will gather in Washington, DC to honor their dead shipmates as well as the mothers, sisters, widows and children they left behind.

"They will continue to ask for a fair and impartial congressional inquiry that, for the first time, would allow the survivors themselves to testify publicly.

"For decades, I have remained silent. I am a military man and when orders come in from the Secretary of Defense and President of the United States, I follow them. However, attempts to rewrite history and concern for my country compel me to share the truth."

How much are your investments in apartheid Israel paying you to rewrite history?

Don't you find that sort of work a little elitist?

Ward Boston
They did testify publically moron.

It was at the US Navy Court Of Inquiry.
The attack on Liberty is the only assault on a US ship of its kind NEVER publicly investigated by the full US Congress.

Thanks primarily to "Israel Firsters" like you, bitch.

Maybe you should change that avatar to a Star of David?

And move to Jerusalem.

Maybe you should join Al Qaida.


Arab terrorist firster...it was a friendly fire incident. No friendly fire incident received as much investigation that this one did.


These are some that were in Iraq, with US forces attacking US forces and British forces.

Friendly fire incidents and accidents - War on Iraq - smh.com.au

FRIENDLY FIRE INCIDENTS:

March 22: A British Royal Air Force (RAF) Tornado jet is accidentally shot down by a US Patriot missile. The Tornado's two crew are killed.

March 24: Two British soldiers are killed when their tank is mistakenly targeted by another British tank in southern Iraq.

March 27: 37 US Marines are injured when US troops mistakenly fire at each other near the southern city of Nasiriyah.

March 28: A British soldier is killed and four others are injured in the region of Basra when a US A-10 ground attack aircraft fires on them.

April 2: An F-18 US fighter jet is downed, probably by a US Patriot missile. The pilot is reported missing.

April 3: A US serviceman mistaken for an Iraqi soldier is shot dead by his own troops in central Iraq.

April 6: 18 Kurdish fighters are killed and 45 wounded near Arbil in northern Iraq when US aircraft mistakenly bomb a joint US-Kurdish convoy.

According to the website of the American War Library, just over half of the coalition troops killed or injured during the 1991 Gulf War were victims of friendly fire incidents.

Of those, about 165 US casualties were due to "friendly fire" out of a total of 367 Americans who lost their lives, it said.

OTHER INCIDENTS:

March 22: A US soldier at a camp in Kuwait lobs grenades into the tents of fellow soldiers, killing two and wounding 11 others.

March 30: 15 American soldiers are injured at a military camp in northern Kuwait when a disgruntled Egyptian employee rams a truck into the group. The truck driver sustained two gunshot wounds.

AFP
 
"Forty years ago this week, I was asked to investigate the heaviest attack on an American ship since World War II.

"As senior legal counsel to the Navy Court of Inquiry it was my job to help uncover the truth regarding Israel's June 8th 1967 bombing of the USS Liberty.

On that sunny, clear day 40 years ago, Israel's combined air and naval forces attacked our American intelligence-gathering ship for two hours, inflicting 70 percent casualties.

"Thirty four American sailors died and 172 were injured. The USS Liberty remained afloat only by the crew's heroic efforts.

"Israel claimed it was an accident. Yet I know from personal conversations with the late Admiral Isaac C. Kidd -- president of the Court of Inquiry -- that President Johnson and Secretary of Defense McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity"'.

Ward Boston

Hearsy and bullshit.

The US Navy Court Of Inquiry concluded it was an accident too :cuckoo:

The judges are under oath too.

Wow since you hate America and think it's all corrupt why don't you leave. The door is this way ------------------------------------------->
 
They did testify publically moron.

It was at the US Navy Court Of Inquiry.
The attack on Liberty is the only assault on a US ship of its kind NEVER publicly investigated by the full US Congress.

Thanks primarily to "Israel Firsters" like you, bitch.

Maybe you should change that avatar to a Star of David?

And move to Jerusalem.

Maybe you should join Al Qaida.


Arab terrorist firster...it was a friendly fire incident. No friendly fire incident received as much investigation that this one did.


These are some that were in Iraq, with US forces attacking US forces and British forces.

Friendly fire incidents and accidents - War on Iraq - smh.com.au

FRIENDLY FIRE INCIDENTS:

March 22: A British Royal Air Force (RAF) Tornado jet is accidentally shot down by a US Patriot missile. The Tornado's two crew are killed.

March 24: Two British soldiers are killed when their tank is mistakenly targeted by another British tank in southern Iraq.

March 27: 37 US Marines are injured when US troops mistakenly fire at each other near the southern city of Nasiriyah.

March 28: A British soldier is killed and four others are injured in the region of Basra when a US A-10 ground attack aircraft fires on them.

April 2: An F-18 US fighter jet is downed, probably by a US Patriot missile. The pilot is reported missing.

April 3: A US serviceman mistaken for an Iraqi soldier is shot dead by his own troops in central Iraq.

April 6: 18 Kurdish fighters are killed and 45 wounded near Arbil in northern Iraq when US aircraft mistakenly bomb a joint US-Kurdish convoy.

According to the website of the American War Library, just over half of the coalition troops killed or injured during the 1991 Gulf War were victims of friendly fire incidents.

Of those, about 165 US casualties were due to "friendly fire" out of a total of 367 Americans who lost their lives, it said.

OTHER INCIDENTS:

March 22: A US soldier at a camp in Kuwait lobs grenades into the tents of fellow soldiers, killing two and wounding 11 others.

March 30: 15 American soldiers are injured at a military camp in northern Kuwait when a disgruntled Egyptian employee rams a truck into the group. The truck driver sustained two gunshot wounds.

AFP
How many Silver Stars and Congressional Medals of Honor have been awarded in FRIENDLY FIRE incidents?
 
"The Myth of the "11 Investigations

"If USA Today had investigated this claim, continually put forward by Israel partisans, its editors would have discovered that in 2006 the reference librarian at the Library of Congress had investigated this allegation and found it to be false:

"After checking numerous resources, including the CIS (Congressional Information Service) Indexes to Congressional Hearings (both published and unpublished), and the Public Documents Masterfile, I could find no evidence that the Congress ever held hearings or launched an investigation into the June 8, 1967 incident with the USS Liberty."

Try again..

Poseur.

Alison Weir


1) You are a douche bag

2) I never said 11 investigations.

The investigations were:

The US Navy Court of Inquiry

The Joint Chiefs

The CIA

The Senate Intelligence Committee

The House Armed Services Committee

3) The transcripts of the Israeli pilots as gotten by a US spy plane confirms that it was an accident

4) You are still a douche bag
"The U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry: The court concluded that "available evidence combines to indicate...[that the attack was] a case of mistaken identity."
According to Captain Ward Boston, chief legal counsel to the Court of Inquiry, the court found that the attack was deliberate, but reported falsely that it was not, because they were directed by the president of the United States and the secretary of defense to report falsely. So the findings are fraudulent. Yet these fraudulent findings were the basis for several other reports that followed.

2. The Joint Chiefs of Staff Report of June 1967: This was an inquiry into the mishandling of several messages intended for the ship. It was not an investigation into the attack. It did not exonerate Israel, because it did not in any way consider the question of culpability.

3. CIA report of June 13, 1967: This interim report, completed five days after the attack, reported "our best judgment [is] that the attack...was a mistake." No investigation was conducted, and no first-hand evidence was collected. Then-CIA Director Richard Helms concluded and later reported in his autobiography that the attack was planned and deliberate.

Clark Clifford report of July 18, 1967: Clark Clifford was directed by Lyndon Johnson to review the Court of Inquiry report and the interim CIA report and "not to make an independent inquiry." His was merely a summary of other fallacious reports, not an "investigation"... The report reached no conclusions and did not exonerate Israel... On the contrary, Clifford wrote later that he regarded the attack as deliberate.

5. and 6. Two Senate meetings: The Committee on Foreign Relations meeting of 1967 and Senate Armed Services Committee meeting of 1968 were hearings on unrelated matters which clearly skeptical members used to castigate representatives of the administration under oath before them. Typical questions were, "Why can't we get the truth about this?" They were not "investigations" at all, but budget hearings, and reported no conclusions concerning the attack. They did not exonerate Israel.

7. House Appropriations Committee meeting of April and May 1968: This was a budget committee meeting which explored the issue of lost messages intended for the ship. It was not an investigation and reported no conclusions concerning the attack.

8. House Armed Services Committee Review of Communications, May 1971: Liberty communications were discussed along with other communications failures. The committee reported no conclusions concerning the attack.

9. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, 1979/1981: [Miami bankruptcy judge A. Jay Cristol, author of a book exonerating Israel] claims that the committee investigated the attack and exonerated Israel, yet he has been unable to provide minutes, a report or other evidence of such an investigation. Rules of the select committee require that any committee investigation be followed by a report. There is no report of such an investigation; ergo, there was no such investigation.

10. National Security Agency Report, 1981: Upon the publication in 1980 of "Assault on the Liberty" by James Ennes, the National Security Agency completed a detailed account of the attack. The report drew no conclusions, although its authors did note that the deputy director dismissed the Israeli excuse (the Yerushalmi report) as 'a nice whitewash.' The report did not exonerate Israel.

11. House Armed Services Committee meeting of 1991/1992: Though cited by Mr. Cristol as an investigation which exonerates Israel, the U.S. government reports no record of such an investigation. Cristol claims that the investigation resulted from a letter to Rep. Nicholas Mavroules from Joe Meadors, then-president of the USS Liberty Veterans Association, seeking Mavroules' support. Instead of responding to Liberty veterans, however, Congressman Mavroules referred the matter to Mr. Cristol for advice. Survivors heard nothing further. Meadors' letter was never answered. The U.S. government reports that there has been no such investigation."

Looks like your choice is between douche bag and traitor.

Alison Weir: USA Today...
 
How can an attack that occured over TWO HOURS on a ship flying an AMERICAN FLAG that looked NOTHING LIKE the Egyptian trawler Israel claimed it thought it was attacking be an ACCIDENT? Just use a LITTLE common sense and ask yourself HOW could such an event have been an ACCIDENT?[/i]
Blah-blah-blah. For all of you, Liberty-The-Pirates-Of-The-Carribean-Flying-Duthcman-Dumbass bunch, from 0330 till 0415 the United States Coast Guard Cutter Point Welcome was twice under a coordinated attack first by a B-57, that shot 800 20mm rounds at it, and then bombed by a pair of F-4Cs. Well, I suppose, the cutter didn't look like the gook junk either, flying the colors and all that, meh? By the way, iranians aren't buying the story that, their airbus was shot down, because the USS Vincennes mistook it for an Independence Day illegal alien ship, either. Get lost.
 
What does a "gook" junk look like?

Does it carry life rafts?

"In addition, the testimony of Lt. Lloyd Painter concerning the deliberate machine-gunning of the life rafts by the Israeli torpedo boat crews, which I distinctly recall being given at the Court of Inquiry and including in the original transcript, is now missing."

Ward Boston...

Get real.
 
How can an attack that occured over TWO HOURS on a ship flying an AMERICAN FLAG that looked NOTHING LIKE the Egyptian trawler Israel claimed it thought it was attacking be an ACCIDENT? Just use a LITTLE common sense and ask yourself HOW could such an event have been an ACCIDENT?
Why would Israel deliberately attack a ship they knew was American?

Ray McGovern, a former Army intelligence officer and CIA analyst from 1963 to 1990, offers some possible answers:

"Why the Israelis decided to take the draconian measure of sinking a ship of the U.S. Navy is open to speculation.

"One view is that the Israelis did not want the U.S. to find out they were massing troops to seize the Golan Heights from Syria, and wanted to deprive the U.S. of the opportunity to argue against such a move.

"Another theory: James Bamford, in 'Body of Secrets,' adduces evidence, including reporting from an Israeli journalist eyewitness and an Israeli military historian, of wholesale killing of Egyptian prisoners of war at the coastal town of El Arish in the Sinai.

"The Liberty was patrolling directly opposite El Arish in international waters but within easy range to pick up intelligence on what was going on there. And the Israelis were well aware."

Ray finishes his October 2007 column by quoting an e-mail he received from an associate of his who has followed Middle East affairs for almost 60 years.

The e-mail references additional US intercepts of conversations between Israeli pilots who attacked Liberty and their base:

"'The chief of the intelligence analysts studying the Arab/Israeli region at the time told me about the intercepted messages and said very flatly and firmly that the (Israeli) pilots reported seeing the American flag and repeated their requests for confirmation of the attack order.

"'Whole platoons of Americans saw those intercepts.

"'If NSA now says they do not exist, then someone ordered them destroyed.'"

Ray McGovern...
 
How can an attack that occured over TWO HOURS on a ship flying an AMERICAN FLAG that looked NOTHING LIKE the Egyptian trawler Israel claimed it thought it was attacking be an ACCIDENT? Just use a LITTLE common sense and ask yourself HOW could such an event have been an ACCIDENT?[/i]
Blah-blah-blah. For all of you, Liberty-The-Pirates-Of-The-Carribean-Flying-Duthcman-Dumbass bunch, from 0330 till 0415 the United States Coast Guard Cutter Point Welcome was twice under a coordinated attack first by a B-57, that shot 800 20mm rounds at it, and then bombed by a pair of F-4Cs. Well, I suppose, the cutter didn't look like the gook junk either, flying the colors and all that, meh? By the way, iranians aren't buying the story that, their airbus was shot down, because the USS Vincennes mistook it for an Independence Day illegal alien ship, either. Get lost.


You are absolutely right.

Friendly fire incidents have occurred numerous times.

However, if it's Israel doing it, it's Israel deliberately attacking an American ship :cuckoo::eusa_liar:

Bunch of fucking psychos.
 
Two quick questions:

1. Do they award the Congressional Medal Honor for "friendly fire" incidents?

"Bowing to intense pressure from the Navy, the White House agreed to award the Liberty's skipper, Captain William McGonagle, the Medal of Honor....but not at the White House, and not by the president (as is the custom).

"Rather, the Secretary of the Navy gave the award at the Washington Navy Yard on the banks of the acrid Anacostia River.

"A naval officer involved in the awards ceremony told one of the Liberty crew, 'The government is pretty jumpy about Israel...the State Department even asked the Israeli ambassador if his government had any objections to McGonagle getting the medal.'"

2. Do you object to McGonagle receiving the medal?

Ray McGovern
 
so let me see if i have this right....if the israelis purpossly attacked a us ship then you want to use that to pull our support of israel....is that pretty much the point.....
 
What does a "gook" junk look like?
It looks like the craft the chief screwmate Rachel Corrie was driving.

Does it carry life rafts?
That is what extreme sportin' is all about, of course.

"In addition, the testimony of Lt. Lloyd Painter concerning the deliberate machine-gunning of the life rafts by the Israeli torpedo boat crews, which I distinctly recall being given at the Court of Inquiry and including in the original transcript, is now missing."
So, the crew was doing rafting and the jooz were sinking them. Was that Lloyd George smoking some potent stuff?

Wards have bostons, indeed.
 
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