US Needs to Send Ground Troops to Fight ISIS, NOW.

[haissem123]

I say we give all oil bearing sand covered countries forty eight hours to evacuate then we bury the oil in a hundred feet of glass. Then nobody can fight over it any more and we would have to find another fuel source to kill ourselves with and over

 

[protectionist]

Yeah. Everybody is war weary. Oh yeah. Well, that's been the popular thought for a few years now (even though there's been less deaths in Iraq/Afghanistan over 13 years, than a single World War II battle). Well, I'm afraid to say folks, that little notion has very quickly gone out of style.....

ISIS has tons of money (to purchase bombs, nukes, biological weapons, gas, and bribe traitors). On top of that, the "Open Target" (name of the book that former Homeland Security Inspector General, Clark Kent Ervin wrote a few years ago) hasn't gotten much less open, since Ervin wrote that book. Have the ports gotten better since Lou Dobbs exposed their vulnerable status? (5% of shipping containers being inspected) Are water treatment plants (containing Chlorine tanks) any better secured than they have been (with a lone unarmed, security guard). Do all citizens have gas masks ? Are all streets surveilled with street camera/recorders ? Do we even come close to the level of security that is practiced routinely in Israel ?

Many more questions than these could be asked, and all with the same qualitative result. That we in America, are not well prepared for a well-organized, well-financed military force, coming here and attacking us, with 2014 methodology.....

Conclusion ? Time for Obama to get past the 2007 notion of removing troops from the Middle East and "no boots on the ground" which got him elected in 2008, and get up to speed. This is 2014. There is a real threat to America talking place before our eyes, and this is no time to play political games, or cling to outdated mantras. Obama's "no boots on the ground" is as dead as a doornail. The US needs to go after ISIS in Iraq, in Syria, and wherever they are, and obliterate them, and we need to do it with whatever it takes, and it looks that that includes ground troops, and we need to do it NOW.

NO!

Defend America's shores borders yes. Leave it to the region to fight their own civil wars. And if Europe and the rest of the World want to be pro-active in their own defence, great, they're more vulnerable than is the U.S. America's done it's part in "saving" the rest of humanity and bought itself loads of fucking trouble in the process.

America has enough to remember on Memorial Day.

You're "no boots on the ground" mantra is dead as a doornail. The American people are no longer in that 2008 mind set. The ISIS threat to the US mainland is evident, and all resources need to be employed to stop it.
As for your visuals, 5000 Us troops have been killed in both Iraq & Afghanistan wars over the past 13 years. In World War II, single individual battles lasting a month or tw had far more casualties. 19,000 US troops died in the Battle of the Bulge IN ONE MONTH. Almost that many died in the Battle of Okinawa, as well. And all the US deaths of all these wars combined would be small compared to what we'd have if ISIS attacked us here in the US.
Like the title of the famous Brigitte Gabriel book says > They Must Be Stopped.

 

[dilloduck]

Everything has changed!!!!! You're either for us, or against us!!!!!! It's for the children!!!!!

Shit yourself America!!! Give in to fascism now!!!!!

THEY WILL CHOP YOUR HEAD OFF. RUN AWAY !!!

 

[protectionist]

Everything has changed!!!!! You're either for us, or against us!!!!!! It's for the children!!!!!

Shit yourself America!!! Give in to fascism now!!!!!

You can go to Iraq and give in to ISIS if you like.

 

[dilloduck]

Yeah. Everybody is war weary. Oh yeah. Well, that's been the popular thought for a few years now (even though there's been less deaths in Iraq/Afghanistan over 13 years, than a single World War II battle). Well, I'm afraid to say folks, that little notion has very quickly gone out of style.....

ISIS has tons of money (to purchase bombs, nukes, biological weapons, gas, and bribe traitors). On top of that, the "Open Target" (name of the book that former Homeland Security Inspector General, Clark Kent Ervin wrote a few years ago) hasn't gotten much less open, since Ervin wrote that book. Have the ports gotten better since Lou Dobbs exposed their vulnerable status? (5% of shipping containers being inspected) Are water treatment plants (containing Chlorine tanks) any better secured than they have been (with a lone unarmed, security guard). Do all citizens have gas masks ? Are all streets surveilled with street camera/recorders ? Do we even come close to the level of security that is practiced routinely in Israel ?

Many more questions than these could be asked, and all with the same qualitative result. That we in America, are not well prepared for a well-organized, well-financed military force, coming here and attacking us, with 2014 methodology.....

Conclusion ? Time for Obama to get past the 2007 notion of removing troops from the Middle East and "no boots on the ground" which got him elected in 2008, and get up to speed. This is 2014. There is a real threat to America talking place before our eyes, and this is no time to play political games, or cling to outdated mantras. Obama's "no boots on the ground" is as dead as a doornail. The US needs to go after ISIS in Iraq, in Syria, and wherever they are, and obliterate them, and we need to do it with whatever it takes, and it looks that that includes ground troops, and we need to do it NOW.

NO!

Defend America's shores borders yes. Leave it to the region to fight their own civil wars. And if Europe and the rest of the World want to be pro-active in their own defence, great, they're more vulnerable than is the U.S. America's done it's part in "saving" the rest of humanity and bought itself loads of fucking trouble in the process.

America has enough to remember on Memorial Day.

You're "no boots on the ground" mantra is dead as a doornail. The American people are no longer in that 2008 mind set. The ISIS threat to the US mainland is evident, and all resources need to be employed to stop it.
As for your visuals, 5000 Us troops have been killed in both Iraq & Afghanistan wars over the past 13 years. In World War II, single individual battles lasting a month or tw had far more casualties. 19,000 US troops died in the Battle of the Bulge IN ONE MONTH. Almost that many died in the Battle of Okinawa, as well. And all the US deaths of all these wars combined would be small compared to what we'd have if ISIS attacked us here in the US.
Like the title of the famous Brigitte Gabriel book says > They Must Be Stopped.

Evident my ass----Are they boarding the troop canoes as we speak ?

 

[dblack]

Everything has changed!!!!! You're either for us, or against us!!!!!! It's for the children!!!!!

Shit yourself America!!! Give in to fascism now!!!!!

You can go to Iraq and give in to ISIS if you like.

Hmmm.... yes, I'd have to go half way around the world to 'give in' to ISIS. You really don't get how fucked up that is, do you?

 

[georgephillip]

Yeah. Everybody is war weary. Oh yeah. Well, that's been the popular thought for a few years now (even though there's been less deaths in Iraq/Afghanistan over 13 years, than a single World War II battle). Well, I'm afraid to say folks, that little notion has very quickly gone out of style. As they used to say in college, "form follows function" Well, the function now has changed from "Bush just wants to get oil", and "Obama will get us out of there", to "fight them there now, or fight them here very soon." Every national security expert agrees that ISIS fully intends to attack the US, once it accomplishes it's goals in the Middle East. Looking at all the relevant variables, it's hard to make the case that they couldn't attack here, and impose massive genocide + massive structural damage. Guess what folks > The "war weary" era is now over.

ISIS has tons of money (to purchase bombs, nukes, biological weapons, gas, and bribe traitors). On top of that, the "Open Target" (name of the book that former Homeland Security Inspector General, Clark Kent Ervin wrote a few years ago) hasn't gotten much less open, since Ervin wrote that book. Have the ports gotten better since Lou Dobbs exposed their vulnerable status? (5% of shipping containers being inspected) Are water treatment plants (containing Chlorine tanks) any better secured than they have been (with a lone unarmed, security guard). Do all citizens have gas masks ? Are all streets surveilled with street camera/recorders ? Do we even come close to the level of security that is practiced routinely in Israel ?

Many more questions than these could be asked, and all with the same qualitative result. That we in America, are not well prepared for a well-organized, well-financed military force, coming here and attacking us, with 2014 methodology.

Conclusion ? Time for Obama to get past the 2007 notion of removing troops from the Middle East and "no boots on the ground" which got him elected in 2008, and get up to speed. This is 2014. There is a real threat to America talking place before our eyes, and this is no time to play political games, or cling to outdated mantras. Obama's "no boots on the ground" is as dead as a doornail. The US needs to go after ISIS in Iraq, in Syria, and wherever they are, and obliterate them, and we need to do it with whatever it takes, and it looks that that includes ground troops, and we need to do it NOW.

Because "boots on the ground" worked so well in Iraq? It's time to break up the military industrial congressional complex and start spending war money on domestic needs:

"The total debt of all state governments in the U.S. is now $130 billion.

"The U.S. will spend $170 billion on our wars in Iraq-Afghanistan-Pakistan this year.

Forty-six states in the US today are in fiscal crisis.

"We must demand that our Congressional delegation vote against any further war spending and that they become leaders in the Congress on this important issue.

"We must also urge all elected officials (local, state, and federal) to speak out against continued war spending... demand that we Bring Our War $$ Home now.

Bring Our War Home

 

[protectionist]

Everything has changed!!!!! You're either for us, or against us!!!!!! It's for the children!!!!!

Shit yourself America!!! Give in to fascism now!!!!!

THEY WILL CHOP YOUR HEAD OFF. RUN AWAY !!!

Trying to be funny doesn't change anything. There's a real threat to America, and it has to be stopped. Putting humor into a serious situation only does one thing > makes you look stupid.

 

[protectionist]

Everything has changed!!!!! You're either for us, or against us!!!!!! It's for the children!!!!!

Shit yourself America!!! Give in to fascism now!!!!!

You can go to Iraq and give in to ISIS if you like.

Hmmm.... yes, I'd have to go half way around the world to 'give in' to ISIS. You really don't get how fucked up that is, do you?

What I don't get is whatever the hell it is you're talking about, but I suppose it doesn't much matter.

 

[dilloduck]

Everything has changed!!!!! You're either for us, or against us!!!!!! It's for the children!!!!!

Shit yourself America!!! Give in to fascism now!!!!!

THEY WILL CHOP YOUR HEAD OFF. RUN AWAY !!!

Trying to be funny doesn't change anything. There's a real threat to America, and it has to be stopped. Putting humor into a serious situation only does one thing > makes you look stupid.

oh really ? Let's hear all the PROOF. Let's hear the casus belli. At least Bush made an attempt at it.

 

[eagle1462010]

ISIS is a result of the Civil War that existed while we were there and after we left. It is Shiite versus Sunni. The Sunni's want control of the region again, and believe the Shiites are inferior to them. It seems on the battlefield ISIS was correct, but incorrect when they go up against the Kurds who are hardened fighters.

Nearly 100,000 Iraqi soldiers through down their arms and deserted after ISIS showed up, leaving American Hardware for ISIS to pick up and fight with. Were these soldiers COWARDS.........are were they just there to get a paycheck and never believed in Iraq to begin with.........The later is more to my opinion. Had these Iraqi's stood and fought they outnumbered ISIS probably 10 to 1. Had they fought there is no way ISIS takes Northern Iraq.

Why should we fight again for a country that refuses to defend itself even after we trained and armed them?

The Kurds are a different story. They have stood by us and if threatened deserve our help. All they are asking for is to have strategic strikes for their forces and they retake the ground. We only need air power to do so in regards to the Kurds.

ISIS can get caught in the open and partially destroyed by U.S. Air Strikes. Crippling their ops and supply lines. We don't need ground forces to do that.

Finally, ISIS is just another name in the history of Radical Islam. Many names come and go, and when they appear they seem to BE THE ONE this time. The dust has covered many other names like ISIS, and will do so again. They will eventually fail in Syria as the Russians are supporting Assad with weapons.......As they will get eaten away with targets of opportunity by U.S. Air Power.

Don't jump the gun on full invasion just yet.

 

[Peach]

The Kurds are a different story. They have stood by us and if threatened deserve our help. All they are asking for is to have strategic strikes for their forces and they retake the ground. We only need air power to do so in regards to the Kurds.

ISIS can get caught in the open and partially destroyed by U.S. Air Strikes. Crippling their ops and supply lines. We don't need ground forces to do that.

Agreed, however, we may need more than a couple hundred advisors close to the scene.

 

[Desperado]

So we're going to send our troops to kill every single terrorist in the world so they can't come here ?

You're beginning to get the idea (slowly)

You're insane

I haven't figured out if he really is insane or just terminally paranoid

 

[dblack]

So we're going to send our troops to kill every single terrorist in the world so they can't come here ?

You're beginning to get the idea (slowly)

You're insane

I haven't figured out if he really is insane or just terminally paranoid

He's slipping. Sorta sad, really.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Kurds are a different story. They have stood by us and if threatened deserve our help. All they are asking for is to have strategic strikes for their forces and they retake the ground. We only need air power to do so in regards to the Kurds.

ISIS can get caught in the open and partially destroyed by U.S. Air Strikes. Crippling their ops and supply lines. We don't need ground forces to do that.

Agreed, however, we may need more than a couple hundred advisors close to the scene.

Possibly laser tag on high profile targets via Spec Ops.........Black Ops are already there, which is why they are Black Ops.

 

[Peach]

The Kurds are a different story. They have stood by us and if threatened deserve our help. All they are asking for is to have strategic strikes for their forces and they retake the ground. We only need air power to do so in regards to the Kurds.

ISIS can get caught in the open and partially destroyed by U.S. Air Strikes. Crippling their ops and supply lines. We don't need ground forces to do that.

Agreed, however, we may need more than a couple hundred advisors close to the scene.

Possibly laser tag on high profile targets via Spec Ops.........Black Ops are already there, which is why they are Black Ops.

Thank you for the above information.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

McConnell announced:

McConnell to CNN Obama would have a lot of congressional support for action against ISIS 8211 CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Looks like one BIG group now...................................

There was a lot for invading Iraq too.

Normally I would say don't invade or attack or occupy, as I said in 2003 when Bush craved the head of Saddam.

But what he did from 2003 to 2011 has created ISIS, and so once again we have to go in and clean up after this incredibly stupid, arrogant sewage waste of a human, George W. Bush.

ISIS has amassed a lot of money, and with that they can do what the Saudis did with OBL, and do much worse damage than a kid with a bomb in his underwear and a ticket to Detroit in his hand as was Al Queda's last ditch effort when they ran out of cash.

It ALWAYS comes down to who has the money.

 

[dblack]

 

[Peach]

How about hold off blaming, and decimate ISIS FIRST.

 

[dblack]

Kill, kill, kill!!!!