US Farmers Losing Market Share in China

[Harpy Eagle]

Still sounds like y'all just want to whine and be full time Trump pessimists/alarmists but if I was farmer I'd switch to less big ag. controlled commodities.

And if sounds like you are just another Trump zealot that is clueless about issues you talk about.

A grain farmer does not just suddenly stop being a grain farmer, it does not work that way. Everything they own is tied to growing grains, their equipment, their storage facilities, even the land is best suited for such things.

Right now there are 88 million acres of corn planned to/already planted and 89 million acres of soybeans planned to/already planted this year.

What do you propose they switch to? Should a farmer with 500 acres of beans suddenly become a tomato farmer?

Ignorance is really not your friend, no matter how happy it makes you

 

[Moonglow]

Agricultural products is one of America's largest exports, and China is one of America's largest export markets. Trump's Trade War and trade taxes are beginning to hurt in states that supported him in the last election.

The U.S.-China trade spat is cutting into the flow of soybeans, pork and other commodities from U.S. farms to one of the world’s biggest markets.

Since early April, when China announced tariffs on some U.S. agricultural goods and threatened to target others, Chinese importers have canceled purchases of corn and cut orders for pork while dramatically reducing new soybean purchases, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data. Chinese importers’ new orders of sorghum, a grain used in animal feed, have dwindled while cancellations increased.

The chill in agricultural trade is sending jitters through the U.S. Farm Belt, which for years has dispatched farmers on trade missions to cultivate the Chinese market.

“As the summer persists and if nothing’s been resolved, it will start showing up as a pretty big hole in U.S. exports, ” said Soren Schroder, chief executive of Bunge Ltd., one of the world’s largest processors and traders of soybeans. ...

“If [the Chinese] market closes, it could be devastating for local communities across the Midwest,” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa) said in a statement.​

U.S. Farmers Are Already Suffering From Lost Chinese Orders for Corn, Soybeans and Pork

I figure Trumpis is more concerned with smaller and intermediate producers/farmers than big ag./corporate agriculture and processors/traders.

Big Agriculture and Democrats.. strange bedfellows .. .. not really

Why Corporate Agriculture is a Problem | COC

And the small to intermediate farmers are the ones this will hurt the most. They are the ones that are never more than one bad season from bankruptcy.


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Why would they be hurt in your opinion, I would figure they cater to products sold local or regionally for American consumers mostly...

Hello, chicken is not grown in China and exported to China,it is raised by individual farmers and CAFOs...

 

[jasonnfree]

The problem is Trump thinking that he can undo overnight the thousands of international trade deals that have been set in place since nafta came into being and expect no serious repurcussions. He's becoming the bull in the china shop . Let's admit it Trump fans, we've probably created a monster electing his guy.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Still sounds like y'all just want to whine and be full time Trump pessimists/alarmists but if I was farmer I'd switch to less big ag. controlled commodities.

And if sounds like you are just another Trump zealot that is clueless about issues you talk about.

A grain farmer does not just suddenly stop being a grain farmer, it does not work that way. Everything they own is tied to growing grains, their equipment, their storage facilities, even the land is best suited for such things.

Right now there are 88 million acres of corn planned to/already planted and 89 million acres of soybeans planned to/already planted this year.

What do you propose they switch to? Should a farmer with 500 acres of beans suddenly become a tomato farmer?

Ignorance is really not your friend, no matter how happy it makes you

Where did I say I was an agricultural specialists and why is Ricky L. kicking your ass if you know so much.. ?

Seems all you got is a Fake News inspired piss poor attitude.

btw. how many small farmers have 500 acres, I guessing the average is less than half of that

 

[jon_berzerk]

Still sounds like y'all just want to whine and be full time Trump pessimists/alarmists but if I was farmer I'd switch to less big ag. controlled commodities.

And if sounds like you are just another Trump zealot that is clueless about issues you talk about.

A grain farmer does not just suddenly stop being a grain farmer, it does not work that way. Everything they own is tied to growing grains, their equipment, their storage facilities, even the land is best suited for such things.

Right now there are 88 million acres of corn planned to/already planted and 89 million acres of soybeans planned to/already planted this year.

What do you propose they switch to? Should a farmer with 500 acres of beans suddenly become a tomato farmer?

Ignorance is really not your friend, no matter how happy it makes you

--LOL

virtually non of the corn is planted through the midwest because of the late spring ya retard

right now the rush is to try and find short term seed

i understand you want and need for the farmer to fail

so you can blame trump

 

[jon_berzerk]

Soybean planting tracking with five-year average, 5% in the ground

Soybean Planting Map | Agweb.com

 

[jon_berzerk]

Crop Progress report shows 17% planted and 3% emerged

Corn Planting Map | Agweb.com

 

[Manonthestreet]

I believe the Korean improving situation is directly tied to Trumps willingness to resort to strong independent trade position.....leverage that is lost in a globalist economy

 

[Moonglow]

The problem is Trump thinking that he can undo overnight the thousands of international trade deals that have been set in place since nafta came into being and expect no serious repurcussions. He's becoming the bull in the china shop . Let's admit it Trump fans, we've probably created a monster electing his guy.

The monster was already there before being elected...

 

[Moonglow]

I believe the Korean improving situation is directly tied to Trumps willingness to resort to strong independent trade position.....leverage that is lost in a globalist economy

It's too late, US corporations are actually multinational corporations.

 

[Manonthestreet]

I believe the Korean improving situation is directly tied to Trumps willingness to resort to strong independent trade position.....leverage that is lost in a globalist economy

It's too late, US corporations are actually multinational corporations.

Too late for what......BTW US Chamber of Commerce is totally shut out of negotiations this time round instead of writing our position.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Still sounds like y'all just want to whine and be full time Trump pessimists/alarmists but if I was farmer I'd switch to less big ag. controlled commodities.

And if sounds like you are just another Trump zealot that is clueless about issues you talk about.

A grain farmer does not just suddenly stop being a grain farmer, it does not work that way. Everything they own is tied to growing grains, their equipment, their storage facilities, even the land is best suited for such things.

Right now there are 88 million acres of corn planned to/already planted and 89 million acres of soybeans planned to/already planted this year.

What do you propose they switch to? Should a farmer with 500 acres of beans suddenly become a tomato farmer?

Ignorance is really not your friend, no matter how happy it makes you

Where did I say I was an agricultural specialists and why is Ricky L. kicking your ass if you know so much.. ?

Seems all you got is a Fake News inspired piss poor attitude.

btw. how many small farmers have 500 acres, I guessing the average is less than half of that

Yeah, the guy that posted a link that had quotes from the Bush Admin and presidential candidates McCain and Obama is kicking my ass. No wonder you are Trump zealot if you are that stupid.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

--LOL

virtually non of the corn is planted through the midwest because of the late spring ya retard

right now the rush is to try and find short term seed

i understand you want and need for the farmer to fail

so you can blame trump

Actually what the late spring means is that even more acres of Soybeans will be planted, making the trade war even harder on the farmers.

Right now corn is only 10% behind the 5 year average, and there was a 12% jump last week so they are catching up. The 2017 number is an outlier as it was an incredibly early spring and the farmers took advantage of it.

Planting progress right now is mirroring 2015, the last late spring.

I don't want or need the farmer to fail, I work in the Ag industry, my very livelihood is tied to the farmers. That is why Trump's trade war pisses me off so much.

And if you do not think that the farmers are no concerned about it, that is because you have not spoken to any farmers.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I believe the Korean improving situation is directly tied to Trumps willingness to resort to strong independent trade position.....leverage that is lost in a globalist economy

The problem is that we are in a global economy and nothing Trump does can change that. Right now the grain farmers in Brazil and other places are happier than pigs in shit about what Trump is doing.

 

[longknife]

Agricultural products is one of America's largest exports, and China is one of America's largest export markets. Trump's Trade War and trade taxes are beginning to hurt in states that supported him in the last election.

The U.S.-China trade spat is cutting into the flow of soybeans, pork and other commodities from U.S. farms to one of the world’s biggest markets.

Since early April, when China announced tariffs on some U.S. agricultural goods and threatened to target others, Chinese importers have canceled purchases of corn and cut orders for pork while dramatically reducing new soybean purchases, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data. Chinese importers’ new orders of sorghum, a grain used in animal feed, have dwindled while cancellations increased.

The chill in agricultural trade is sending jitters through the U.S. Farm Belt, which for years has dispatched farmers on trade missions to cultivate the Chinese market.

“As the summer persists and if nothing’s been resolved, it will start showing up as a pretty big hole in U.S. exports, ” said Soren Schroder, chief executive of Bunge Ltd., one of the world’s largest processors and traders of soybeans. ...

“If [the Chinese] market closes, it could be devastating for local communities across the Midwest,” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa) said in a statement.​

U.S. Farmers Are Already Suffering From Lost Chinese Orders for Corn, Soybeans and Pork

Another ignorant thread from a Snowflake troll!

Trump Tariffs Could Put Money in the Pockets of America’s Farmers

This could destroy the Left's diatribe about how tariffs will onl raise prices to American consumers. It appears that what they will do is increase profit margins for American producers. Surprised? I'm not.

Tariffs would decrease American purchases of Chinese goods, spurring job growth in domestic manufacturing which will fill the gap. Any subsequent gain in middle class manufacturing jobs would mean more purchasing power for U.S. farm products.

Overall, farmers should stand firm with the president as he tackles these longstanding problems, and demand that they be included in any strategies to address predatory foreign practices. Past administrations helped cause this problem.

The time to act is now in order to preserve a strong economy in 20 years.

More @ Trump Tariffs Could Put Money in the Pockets of America's Farmers

 

[Manonthestreet]

I believe the Korean improving situation is directly tied to Trumps willingness to resort to strong independent trade position.....leverage that is lost in a globalist economy

The problem is that we are in a global economy and nothing Trump does can change that. Right now the grain farmers in Brazil and other places are happier than pigs in shit about what Trump is doing.

Economy being global doesn't mean we cant participate on our own terms. Can they jack up their production to keep the clients they had while serving China? How much new demand is coming on line? Lets look at whole pic before we panic ........Farmers aren't locked into one crop either......

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I believe the Korean improving situation is directly tied to Trumps willingness to resort to strong independent trade position.....leverage that is lost in a globalist economy

The problem is that we are in a global economy and nothing Trump does can change that. Right now the grain farmers in Brazil and other places are happier than pigs in shit about what Trump is doing.

Economy being global doesn't mean we cant participate on our own terms. Can they jack up their production to keep the clients they had while serving China? How much new demand is coming on line? Lets look at whole pic before we panic ........Farmers aren't locked into one crop either......

A grain farmer grows grains, they are not equipped to suddenly change to tomatoes or lettuce or peanuts. Plus the climate dictates much of what is grown, there is a reason the mid-west grows most of the grain in the US

 

[Manonthestreet]

I believe the Korean improving situation is directly tied to Trumps willingness to resort to strong independent trade position.....leverage that is lost in a globalist economy

The problem is that we are in a global economy and nothing Trump does can change that. Right now the grain farmers in Brazil and other places are happier than pigs in shit about what Trump is doing.

Economy being global doesn't mean we cant participate on our own terms. Can they jack up their production to keep the clients they had while serving China? How much new demand is coming on line? Lets look at whole pic before we panic ........Farmers aren't locked into one crop either......

A grain farmer grows grains, they are not equipped to suddenly change to tomatoes or lettuce or peanuts. Plus the climate dictates much of what is grown, there is a reason the mid-west grows most of the grain in the US

Lot of em rotate....into corn.........or other grain

 

[kiwiman127]

Agricultural products is one of America's largest exports, and China is one of America's largest export markets. Trump's Trade War and trade taxes are beginning to hurt in states that supported him in the last election.

The U.S.-China trade spat is cutting into the flow of soybeans, pork and other commodities from U.S. farms to one of the world’s biggest markets.

Since early April, when China announced tariffs on some U.S. agricultural goods and threatened to target others, Chinese importers have canceled purchases of corn and cut orders for pork while dramatically reducing new soybean purchases, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data. Chinese importers’ new orders of sorghum, a grain used in animal feed, have dwindled while cancellations increased.

The chill in agricultural trade is sending jitters through the U.S. Farm Belt, which for years has dispatched farmers on trade missions to cultivate the Chinese market.

“As the summer persists and if nothing’s been resolved, it will start showing up as a pretty big hole in U.S. exports, ” said Soren Schroder, chief executive of Bunge Ltd., one of the world’s largest processors and traders of soybeans. ...

“If [the Chinese] market closes, it could be devastating for local communities across the Midwest,” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa) said in a statement.​

U.S. Farmers Are Already Suffering From Lost Chinese Orders for Corn, Soybeans and Pork

U.S. Farmers Are Already Suffering From Lost Chinese Orders for Corn, Soybeans and Pork
There a lot of farmers and agriculture industries in states that went for Trump, which turned Blue States to Red.
Please note, how many states that count on agriculture, that went Red in 2016.
USDA ERS - Annual State Agricultural Exports

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I believe the Korean improving situation is directly tied to Trumps willingness to resort to strong independent trade position.....leverage that is lost in a globalist economy

The problem is that we are in a global economy and nothing Trump does can change that. Right now the grain farmers in Brazil and other places are happier than pigs in shit about what Trump is doing.

Economy being global doesn't mean we cant participate on our own terms. Can they jack up their production to keep the clients they had while serving China? How much new demand is coming on line? Lets look at whole pic before we panic ........Farmers aren't locked into one crop either......

A grain farmer grows grains, they are not equipped to suddenly change to tomatoes or lettuce or peanuts. Plus the climate dictates much of what is grown, there is a reason the mid-west grows most of the grain in the US

Lot of em rotate....into corn.........or other grain

All the grains are in the same boat. They grow based upon the perceived demand, there just is not that much demand for amaranth or barley or spelt.

Most rotate fields by year as the beans do not require as much fert and chem as the corn. But if there was a mass switch from one to the other then the bottom of the market would drop off and they would not make back what they spent growing.