*Upon This Rock: Jesus Or Peter?

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*Who is the Rock: Jesus Or Peter's Proclamation?*

  1. *1. Jesus*

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    1. Maybe God is a rock, a real rock; if so is Peter a *Pillar*?
    2. And Jesus being God, wasn't far from explaining it to the apostles.
    3. When he said, "Upon this rock I shall build my church."
    4. And when in scriptures it says the "Bride of Christ" is a huge building made out of stone, which will some day be brought down from Heaven to be set in Israel, perhaps that too is a sign, or actual fact, that God, actually is a solid substance, beyond our understanding, totally.
    5. Just a thought, I'm saying this could be reality, and it could be debated.
    6. This would be a good debate topic, so I snatched it from another thread of a *CWN CLASSIC*.
    7. I know this is a heavy topic, not meant for light weights.
    8. Here's what I think could of happened, lets say after Peter said, what he said, Jesus standing there, touches himself on the chest while saying "Upon This Rock" etc, etc,...Gates of Hell,...etc, etc.....
    9. Wouldn't that make a huge difference to what was being said?
    10. There are plenty of references to solid rock materials Biblicly.
    11. The two stone tablets that Moses brought down from Mount Sinai, then the two replacements.
    12. Jesus told one that it would be better for some that a stone be wrapped around ones neck, and he cast into the sea.
    13. A stone was rolled infront of his grave.
    14. "He who is without sin, cast the first stone."
    15. They gathered stones to throw at him, and he passed right through them.
    16. Before he was taken in the Mount of Olives, he was known to have prayed on or near a stone.
    17. Whoever falls on this stone shall be forgiven, those who refuse, they shall be grount into powder.
    18. Rock of Ages.
    19. And untold others, all refernce to a rock and could be meaningful.
    20. This came to mind as well.
    21. When the Israelites were wondering in the dessert, they came upon the stone, where Moses struck it, and water gushed out.
    22. Also God was mad with Moses because God told him to talk to the stone not strike it, Moses stroke the stone, which displeased God.
    23. Moses never made it into the *Promise Land*.
    24. Later in scripture, it was said, that Jesus was this stone that gushed water in the dessert when the Jews were thirsty.
    25. Also when he was dieing on the cross, he was stabbed with a spear, and blood and water came out at the same location, but two seperate streams.
    26. This could have meaning too in this debate.
    27. This does get interesting,......I will bring some quotes, because I can, and it makes it more interesting.


    Deuteronomy 32:18 KJV • Read this chapter
    Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.



    Deuteronomy 32:30 KJV • Read this chapter
    How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?



    Deuteronomy 32:31 KJV • Read this chapter
    For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.



    Deuteronomy 32:37 KJV • Read this chapter
    And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,




    Judges 6:21 KJV • Read this chapter
    Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. Then the angel of the LORD departed out of his sight.




    Judges 6:26 KJV • Read this chapter
    And build an altar unto the LORD thy God upon the top of this rock, in the ordered place, and take the second bullock, and offer a burnt sacrifice with the wood of the grove which thou shalt cut down.




    Numbers 20:8 KJV • Read this chapter
    Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.




    Numbers 20:11 KJV • Read this chapter
    And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.




    Deuteronomy 32:4 KJV • Read this chapter
    He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.



    Judges 13:19 KJV • Read this chapter
    So Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it upon a rock unto the LORD: and the angel did wonderously; and Manoah and his wife looked on.



    1 Samuel 2:2 KJV • Read this chapter
    There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.




    2 Samuel 22:2 KJV • Read this chapter
    And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;




    2 Samuel 22:3 KJV • Read this chapter
    The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.



    2 Samuel 22:32 KJV • Read this chapter
    For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?




    2 Samuel 22:47 KJV • Read this chapter
    The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation.



    2 Samuel 23:3 KJV • Read this chapter
    The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.




    28. And there is much much more,...
    29. One really interesting rock quote, is when satan came to Jesus, and told him, "If thou be the *Son of God*, make these stones into bread."
    30. Why did he use stones huh?
    31. Strange indeed.
    32. Here's more quotes for ya.





    Psalm 18:2 KJV • Read this chapter
    The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.




    Psalm 18:31 KJV • Read this chapter
    For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?




    Psalm 18:46 KJV • Read this chapter
    The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted.




    Psalm 27:5 KJV • Read this chapter
    For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.



    Psalm 28:1 KJV • Read this chapter
    Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down into the pit.



    Psalm 31:2 KJV • Read this chapter
    Bow down thine ear to me; deliver me speedily: be thou my strong rock, for an house of defence to save me.



    Psalm 31:3 KJV • Read this chapter
    For thou art my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me.

    33. Build your house on a *Rock*.
    34. Read this one:

    Matthew 7:24 KJV • Read this chapter
    Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
    1. Lots of rock quotes:





    Matthew 27:60 KJV • Read this chapter
    And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.



    Mark 15:46 KJV • Read this chapter
    And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.



    Luke 6:48 KJV • Read this chapter
    He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

    35. Treasure trove of rock quotes:


    Luke 8:6 KJV • Read this chapter
    And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.



    Luke 8:13 KJV • Read this chapter
    They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.




    Romans 9:33 KJV • Read this chapter
    As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.



    1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV • Read this chapter
    And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.



    1 Peter 2:8 KJV • Read this chapter
    And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.


    36. Also I did come across another scripture, one of my all time favorites.
    37. A prophet challenges the local seers to find out for sure, if their gods were the real God, or not.
    38. The prophet says that a ox should be doused with water, and that their god should burn it up with fire.
    39. They fail miserablly, while the prophet mocks them, "Maybe your god is asleep" he says?
    40. Anyway he tells them to scream louder and do whatever they do more and louder so he will wake up.
    41. Oh that had to be funny.
    42. Anyway, they failed, and he took over.
    43. So he put the ox inside a circle of stones, and put barrels of water on the ox.
    44. Then he called upon The God, who brought flame of fire from the rocks, that not only consumed the ox, but drank up the water as if licking it up like a tounge lapping up water from the palm of a hand.
    45. Now that had to be frightening!
    46. Another very interesting *Biblical Rock Scripture*.
    47. I known this topic isn't all that easy to digest, and is very heavy for some peoples minds to deal with, and isn't for those of little faith, at all.
    48. So I won't take offense from the lack of other contributers.
    49. So Jesus is building a stone building, him being the actual foundation then?
    50. All those who are his will be positioned and fitted into this building?
    51. Literally,....???
    52. If eternity is a long time, if we are converted into stones, well at least we won't have issues with old age, and the things that follow old age?
    53. Just a thought?
    54. Could it be that we are indeed the Church?
    55. When Jesus returns those whom did well and were apart of the Church, will at the end actually be the *Church*?
    56. Where we would be fittly framed all together upon the real foundaton Jesus Christ the Lord.
    57. Where when Jesus would have Mass we would be the actual location of the Mass?
    58. Where those who were forgiven were then converted into stone, but this stone has *Life Everlasting*.
    59. Those of you not within the Church will think I've flipped out or on dope, some of those in side the Church may too.
    60. This is one heavy topic, not meant for a novice to wrap thier heads around.
    61. Now lets *ALL* get our heads together and do each other a *solid* on this topic.



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    1. I since a spiritual dirth in this site.
    2. I have asked many great and wonderful questions.
    3. And no one has even questioned the questions I've presented.
    4. Even if the rocks would scream out now, few if any, would even care to hear them.
    5. Rock of Ages Care For Me.

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    Jesus said "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it."
    — Gospel of St. Matthew 16:18
     
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    1. Did I say *DIRTH*?
    2. Maybe I should of said, *FAMINE*.
    3. Might as well be eating *Rock Sandwiches*.
    4. For those who know God in this site, if indeed there are any, take notice of each of these avatars, that just responded, thou they may change, Kwc57 is an evil looking Santa his face is coal smudged, rubbing his hands together while smoking a cigarette, while Califorina Girl, has a Playboy sexed up women wearing a skimpy sort of Santa Suit.
    5. This is the best this site has to offer, it is indeed a *FAMINE*.


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    kcw57 wrote:

    "Rich coming from a swamp monster."


    $Face Of Jesus.jpg


    1. Now where's my *Rock Sandwiches*?


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    1. While California Girl plays the harlet with her Christmas avatar, and at the same time perhaps the most rep points on this site.
    2. It does reveal alot about who posts here and why.
    3. Where have I landed on the internet?
    4. *Rock Bottom*?
    5. I am not sure what she means about posting what she did, she never made a comment.
    6. No real surprise there either.


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    16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

    17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it.

    The "rock" that Jesus was referring to was Peter's answer to Jesus' question in verse 16. The rock foundation was that Jesus was the Messiah, the Son of the living God.
     
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